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At the risk of being an Apple apologist, I wonder if this is some weird bug in Sierra that went undetected until now.

I think I remember as similar issues back in Yosemite beta.
 
Mines just done it for the second time, seems to be as I wake it after its been asleep for a while! Not too dissimilar to myself, I tend to glitch after being woken up from a nice long sleep!! :)
 
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it looks like graphics card was fix with the latest beta 5.restarted few times and no distortion screen and much faster log in.good news for everyone with the new MacBooks pro
 
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Execs just collecting money instead caring about their products. None of them are perfectionist like Steve Jobs. They just want to put it out and collect money.

I have a friend at Apple, there is something wrong but plenty of people are aware of it and are trying to turn it around. The big issue is getting talented people to come and work at Apple. Companies like Google, Netflix, and more are much more attractive places to work. Apple has some older staff who are stuck in their ways and that is preventing progress and improvement. Time will tell.. but in the meanwhile, this Rev A is really bad.. I had the Rev A Intel MacBook Pro (2007) and it had massive issues to the point that I was given a 2008 and that was the last time I upgraded my MacBook Pro. Been using Air's, Hackintoshes, Mini's, and the MacBook since then, with a fully loaded iMac at my desktop. Really do need to buy this MacBook Pro or a Wintel machine as my work load is building up and I need to do something.
 
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Agree, the focus on form over function equals problems.


basically. Funny thing is this adobe bug is not even using the graphics section of the card. Its hitting the open cl cores on the card. They just sit there and when told to help the cpu out....process work given to them. Which is what adobe is doing during the encoding. Its using the open cl cores to help "translate" video for use by something else. You don't even "see" this. Its a progress window/bar of some kind. When is it done? When it says so. This is transparent, supposed to be anyway. I start this up on a say hour of vid, minimize, and do low level stuff like check e-mail. Feel the itch to kill time in a game, encoding being intensive I outsource that job to the xbone lol.

Now the apologists will say 11 lbs and 2 inch laptops is the alternative. It doesn't have to be this. I will say, again, apple could do some genuine innovation with the 2011 body, sans the optical drive. That freed up some room really. People who popped open their 2011 for drive and ram upgrades can verify. That optical gone...options are plentiful here. If it made the room for custom brackets to run 1 more internal drive...I am sure a engineers on the thermal team can get creative here.


They should have stock 2011 shells left. Or just call up CNC programming to remill this out. You know...like they did for 6 SE.
 
These errors look a lot like when you have a poorly supported graphics card on a hackintosh. Sometimes it freaks out just like this when certain functions are called. So probably just drivers. That being said I'd expect way better from non hacked first party hardware.
 
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I'm having issue with filevault as it seems on my 15" Macbook Pro late 2013 with dGPU. I had flickering with Youtube video specifically with chrome. Safari seemed fine. I called tech support and he advised me to turn off filevault. While he was helping me, restarting computer would show graphic glitch on log in screen also on chrome on safe mode. I think there is something really wrong on filevault with graphics card, even on older models.
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At the risk of being an Apple apologist, I wonder if this is some weird bug in Sierra that went undetected until now.

I think I remember as similar issues back in Yosemite beta.


I think it's Sierra problem too. I am having similar graphic glitches on log screen with filevault on my 15" Macbook Pro late 2013 with dGPU. Phone support advised me to turn off filevault.
 
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Can anyone get the internal and external displays to malfunction? Could it be bad display panels?
 
I've seen the following mentioned in this thread, but have yet to see any answers from users experiencing this problem:
Has anyone who has seen this glitch in OSX seen the graphical glitches while running Windows in Bootcamp?

IMHO that would obviously help determine if this is a hardware or a software(kernel/driver/OS/app) issue.

Cheers
 
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I've seen the following mentioned in this thread, but have yet to see any answers from users experiencing this problem:
Has anyone who has seen this glitch in OSX seen the graphical glitches while running Windows in Bootcamp?

IMHO that would obviously help determine if this is a hardware or a software(kernel/driver/OS/app) issue.

Cheers
If it's software it can only be two things, a framebuffer kernel extension or an AMDdriver kernel extension. Which I guess you could say are drivers that load into the kernel memory space.

But, your underlying assumption is wrong. If this glitch is caused by the kext not accounting for some unique or custom aspect of Apple's hardware implementation of the graphics core, then Apple's engineers may not have accounted for it in the boot camp drivers either. This may cause Windows issues as well if that is the case.
 
Anyone knows if it's possible to test a MBP for this issue somehow?

Don't! (imho) If it turns out to be a hardware issue, it could be a one-way-door. Once fried, you wont be able to "un-fry" it.

If it's software it can only be two things, a framebuffer kernel extension or an AMDdriver kernel extension. Which I guess you could say are drivers that load into the kernel memory space.

But, your underlying assumption is wrong. If this glitch is caused by the kext not accounting for some unique or custom aspect of Apple's hardware implementation of the graphics core, then Apple's engineers may not have accounted for it in the boot camp drivers either. This may cause Windows issues as well if that is the case.

Oh, i thought the drivers for the hardware would come from a different source(OEM/Microsoft), I didnt realize that Apple wrote the drivers for Windows(on a Mac) as well.
 
basically. Funny thing is this adobe bug is not even using the graphics section of the card. Its hitting the open cl cores on the card. They just sit there and when told to help the cpu out....process work given to them.

It helps not to listen to wallys who never heard of the Mercury Engine and how it functions. This acceleration engine uses OpenGL and OpenCL for most function calls especially in Premiere and After Effects for background rendering.
 
I also experienced these GPU crashes on my 2016 15" several times. All while using Premiere or Media Encoder. It clearly seems Adobe needs to fix a bad bug and support the new GPUs.
Most importantly, if you change encoding from hardware to software-only, the crashes will no longer occur. (Of course, encoding then takes much longer)

The first time it occurred was the most troubling, while editing a video, the macbook was very hot but fans were not on. It just suddenly showed corrupted video and nothing but the cursor would respond. The cursor itself was corrupted, which is always a sign of a very low-level corruption. Reboot.

I finished my editing and exported my video, and after 15 minutes or so, about 90% complete with fans going full blast, it crashed again. Same video symptoms.

I switched to queue and using Media Encoder, and the same thing happened, about 90% in. I tied some other quality settings and smaller sizes, but it crashed a 4th time.

Finally I changed media encoder over to software only and had no further crashes.

I hope Apple and Adobe can work together to fix this. (Ha!)
 
Can anyone get the internal and external displays to malfunction? Could it be bad display panels?

I'm using a external Dell 4k display here and just encountered the issue the second time today. Weird graphical glitches appeared on both, the internal as well as the external screen.
 
Not true. Apple did have a free repair program for broken 2011 GPUs/mainboards until February 2016 for that. (it was pretty late, though ... and only after many customers created big pressure)
sorry, it wasn't the 2011 models, they were actually 2010 models. I remember because I told them "oh just do the recall program" and they were pissed because their 2010 model wasn't part of the recall program.
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Sure, lets put a 180w chip in a 76-watt-hour capacity machine designed to last a full work day with battery to spare. You couldn't even cool that chip in the first thick Unibody MacBook's enclosure. I wish there was some riddle which had to be solved before posting on MacRumors. I'm tired of seeing comments as dumb as YouTube's on here.

switch to intel graphics when on battery. duh. 180w chip doesn't mean it's running at 180w constantly.
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The 2010's had NVIDIA chips, 2011 had AMD. Both years had Quality Programs to replace the logic boards for free. The 2011 program is still active in fact.
my mistake. they were actually 2010. I edited my post. I remember because I told them there was a recall program and they were pissed because their 2010 models weren't covered.
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2011 MacBook Pros had ATI discrete graphics.
my mistake, they were 2010 models. not 2011.
 



Since new MacBook Pro models launched last month, an increasing number of early adopters have reported serious graphics issues on Apple's latest notebooks. The glitches and other problems appear to be most prevalent on built-to-order 15-inch models, but standard 13-inch and 15-inch configurations are also affected.

MacRumors reader Jan Becker, for example, said the graphics began to glitch on his new high-end 15-inch MacBook Pro, equipped with built-to-order AMD Radeon Pro 460 graphics, while transcoding video with Adobe Media Encoder in Premiere Pro. The notebook subsequently crashed.


Becker claims when he took his MacBook Pro to an Apple retail store to be replaced, an employee said the graphics issues are likely a hardware problem. He later claimed he received a phone call from Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California, where it allegedly has a team of engineers looking into the issues.The most common symptoms reported by users include brightly colored flickering, full-screen checkerboard patterns, screen tearing, and other visual artifacts. Affected systems may subsequently experience unresponsiveness or a kernel panic, sometimes resulting in the MacBook Pro crashing.

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15-inch MacBook Pro with AMD Radeon Pro 460 graphics with full-screen visual artifacts

The high-end 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and built-to-order AMD Radeon Pro 460 graphics appears to be most commonly afflicted, but several users have reported similar issues on 15-inch models equipped with standard AMD Radeon Pro 450 or AMD Radeon Pro 455 GPUs as well.

MacRumors reader Jayselle recorded his 15-inch MacBook Pro with AMD Radeon Pro 455 graphics flickering while connected to two external LG displays.


It is not entirely clear if the issues are a hardware or software problem. The graphics appear to act up most when users are completing intensive tasks, such as transcoding video with Adobe Media Encoder, syncing large photo libraries with Photos, or using other Adobe apps such as Photoshop and Lightroom.

It would initially seem the issue is limited to 15-inch MacBook Pro models with dedicated AMD graphics, but there are a few isolated reports of graphics issues on 13-inch models with integrated Intel Iris 540 and Intel Iris 550 graphics -- including the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a standard row of function keys.


User complaints extend to the Apple Support Communities and other MacRumors discussion topics, indicating the graphics issues are rather widespread, but not all users are affected. Some speculate the latest macOS Sierra beta may fix the issues, but evidence remains anecdotal.

Separately, a number of users are reporting brief glitches during the boot up process on new MacBook Pro models, particularly along the bottom of the screen. It appears this issue is related to FileVault 2 startup disk encryption, as the glitches go away for many of these users once the feature is disabled.

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As insurance, Apple's extended holiday return policy is currently in effect. MacBook Pros purchased or delivered between November 10 and December 25 are eligible for return until January 8, 2017 in the United States, Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, France, Spain, Germany, and select other countries.

Select 2011-2013 MacBook Pro models have exhibited similar graphics issues in the past, including distorted video, no video, or unexpected system restarts. Apple accordingly launched a Repair Extension Program offering free repairs and refunds, but not before facing a class action lawsuit over the matter.

Apple appears to be aware of and is investigating these latest graphics issues, but it has yet to publicly comment on the matter. Apple been actively exchanging MacBook Pros for affected customers, according to users. Schedule a Genius Bar appointment or contact Apple Support to facilitate this process.

Article Link: Users Find Some New MacBook Pros Suffer From Major Graphics Issues
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Stock price absolutely plummeting :eek:

Give it some time. It will take a while to burn through 30 years of hard earned brand recognition and $billions in the bank. But, if Apple doesn't put UX first, again, it's a matter of WHEN, not IF.

except apple technician is very good at micro soldering skills with precision repairing tools, they will repair problematic soldered GPU, if not should apple replace whole unit / new logic board entirely?

New board. The equipment to actually fix solder issues is pretty specialized. (i.e.: not some dude with a soldering iron... a big fancy wave solder machine w/ very precise temp and timing control)

By the way: if you compare responsiveness of the user interface between Mac OS X El Capitan and Windows 10 you will find out that Windows 10 is as snappy as OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was. Times are changing... as good as Apple once was - they let it slip away in a big way...

Yes, macOS has been going downhill and Windows improving. If the trajectory continues...

The insult is at Apple for making products somewhere other than the US.

I don't think that's possible in the short-term. There aren't enough workers in the USA skilled in that kind of work, even if adaquate wages could be worked out. I would guess it would take like a good part of a decade to push that kind of cultural/training shift into place. And, then you've got all the problems the USA auto industry faced dealing with the unions and such.

These issues aren't exclusive to the 2016 models.
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Finally, on the 4th or 5th occurence when my AppleCare expired, Apple gave me a brand new mid 2015 replacement of equivalent specs. Now that is great customer service right there but guess what? The same GPU issue is still happening on my 2015 mbp.
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No one knows for sure why this keeps recurring, was told by different Apple Geniuses that it seems more prevalent in machines with discrete GPUs (like mine) and the reasons range from software glitches to melted solder (Apple use a environmentally friendly solder which would melt at a lower operating temp) that requires 're-balling' or logic board replacements. To think a high tech company haven't figured out the root cause to this issue yet after 4 years...ugh!!

Well, if it is the dedicated GPU, that makes sense as AMD seems to have a history of this kind of baloney. I'm not sure why Apple keeps going with them. You're right, I had two MPBs with these kinds of issues through the mid-90s (and we had several where I worked with the issues). Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get one of mine repaired, so it killed the resale value.

The solder thing is a universal in the industry, not just Apple. Remember all the PS3 and Xbox repairs? Same problem. It's an EPA thing where the electronics industry was forced to switch, and most electronics got much less reliable. What has saved them, is new lower power chips which are easier to keep to lower temps. And, I'm sure they have since made some formula improvements and process improvements, too.

I was wanting to upgrade to a newer, larger model but the price is pretty steep to get that new parlor trick, uh, I mean magical touch bar.

If it really is limited to the dedicated GPU, I'd just buy a model w/o it and get an eGPU. Those are going to be so many times faster anyway, so long as you don't need the dedicated GPU when mobile.

I'm torn on the touch bar, but can do w/o it. Some seem to like it. It seems like it would be a distraction to have to look down to pick things from it, but I can see uses. The function key row has been pretty useless though, so I'm not sad to see it replaced. I'm just probably not going to pay $100s extra for it, and since the base model is the only one with replaceable SSD, that probably seals my decision.

But the haters here are a laugh. Most don't have the machine. They WANT it to be bad, feeding off a small issue (that isn't even a big problem) as if it indicates Apple is about to go out of business.

It's not going to be an issue like this that puts them out of business. But, if you've been around long, you'd have to be blind not to see the fundamental changes at Apple (and not good ones). I don't hate them, but I'm also not going to support them anymore if they keep this crud up.

I have a friend at Apple, there is something wrong but plenty of people are aware of it and are trying to turn it around. The big issue is getting talented people to come and work at Apple.
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Apple has some older staff who are stuck in their ways and that is preventing progress and improvement.

Hmm... maybe they mean older staff in management? IMO, part of the problem is that they lost, or repositioned most of the staff with actual technical experience and UX knowledge.
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That the management are now running Apple with 'business 101' principals like they used to back in the mid-90s (i.e.: like every other tech company, instead of running it in the way that got Apple to where they are).

I think there is something really wrong on filevault with graphics card, even on older models. ... Phone support advised me to turn off filevault.

Probably just something wrong with Filevault period. I've wanted to use it, but a good friend in the know keeps telling me to stay far, far away from Filevault. (We can hope that the new file system takes care of a lot of the current mess, in this regard.)
 
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Glad I went with the 13". Never really liked dedicated GPUs in laptops. Not only does it drain the battery and generates too much heat and you have issues like this.

You do realize the "pro" line is supposed to be used for "pro" work and the integrated crap can't really handle any even slightly more GPU intensive stuff well enough? That's why there are Macbook Airs and Macbook Pros. Well, sorry. That's why there used to be those two lines. Now you can just pick differently priced toybooks.

Anyway. Integrated graphics isn't for me. Then again, neither is the Macbook Pro(totype). I'll wait for a macbook with real keyboard.
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I'm torn on the touch bar, but can do w/o it. Some seem to like it. It seems like it would be a distraction to have to look down to pick things from it, but I can see uses. The function key row has been pretty useless though, so I'm not sad to see it replaced. I'm just probably not going to pay $100s extra for it, and since the base model is the only one with replaceable SSD, that probably seals my decision.

I'm not against the touchbar but I very much dislike it including the Esc key and volume (and play/pause & next) buttons. I play music on my Macbook through Spotify Connect to my audio system directly regardless of what else I do and being able to skip boring songs and to pause/lower volume when required is essential to me. If I need to play around with touchbar for 10 seconds to get that done while in another app it just doesn't make sense to me to downgrade my machine to one with the touchbar.

I would've appreciated the most adding touch bar on top of the current keyboard instead of trying to replace something with it when the touchbar can't do it half as well.
 
Apple/Nvidia/AMD have had video problems for quite some time.

Models that had recalls:
  • MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010)
  • MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2011)
  • MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2011)
  • MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2011)
  • MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2011)
  • MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2012)
  • MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Early 2013)

2007, also !
 
You do realize the "pro" line is supposed to be used for "pro" work and the integrated crap can't really handle any even slightly more GPU intensive stuff well enough? That's why there are Macbook Airs and Macbook Pros. Well, sorry. That's why there used to be those two lines. Now you can just pick differently priced toybooks.

True, though there are other aspects that differentiate them as well (but the gap is quickly closing... and mostly imposed by Apple for marketing reasons). And, now with TB3, it depends on whether you need that power while mobile... or whether you use that power when docked at the desk, but still want mobility for other reasons. If the latter, than an eGPU will blow away ANY laptop dedicated GPU by a wide margin.

I think it's fair to say that GPUs and laptops is a somewhat touchy and problematic area. If you put much real GPU power in there, it usually leads to either problems or boat anchors. And, having had two past MBPs die or life-shortened by dedicated GPUs, I'm glad to go integrated and external GPU. But, that won't work for everyone, I'm sure.

I do wonder how many 'pros' do serious GPU-oriented work on a 13" or 15" screen while mobile, though. I'm guess for the vast majority, it's at their desks anyway (plugged into big displays).

I would've appreciated the most adding touch bar on top of the current keyboard instead of trying to replace something with it when the touchbar can't do it half as well.

Fair points. I just don't use the current function row that much, so I'd be fine either way. I'm not sure I'd call it a gimmick, but it's certainly not a deal-breaker.
 
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