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I have noticed lately that the problems I've reported have finally been getting fixed. Some problems that I was reporting right from the start (like missing roads) are correct now and new ones I have reported have been fixed pretty quickly.

One thing that still hasn't changed is my entire town still has low quality black and white satellite imagery. I hope Apple will be replacing the areas in black and white soon.
 
I can agree with that. To rephrase my first thought, I would hope that people –other than developers, which may be my problem–would eventually recognize that these are large and difficult problems. Having recognized that, I hope that we could manage our own expectations regardless of what Apple says about it. I expect anyone presenting a product that they spent millions on to present it as the be all and end all. I expect superlatives because no one is allowed to be modest in marketing. "This product should be adequate in most cases." lack 'go' power.

Correct me if I am wrong (I'm wrong a lot, ask my wife), but you seem to be removing all culpability from Apple. The bad reputation that Maps experiences is all on Apple. Fans and consumers shouldn't have to guess if Apple is just "blowing smoke up their butts" or if they actually mean what they say. No one is allowed to be modest in marketing is sort of an apologist excuse imo. Basically you seem to be saying its okay for Apple to make up stuff because they aren't allowed to tell the truth. Uh... no.

Look, it's great they are cleaning up Maps. In the end it will be better for all who use it. I think it should have been much better from the beginning and the corrections should have come quicker when they realized it was not up to anyone's expectations; including theirs. 2 years out and this is probably the first positive thing about Maps being improved. How low do you think expectations should be?
 
I understand why people *wanted* Apple Maps to begin its public life as a perfectly formed service but I don't know why people *expected* as much.

The thing I remember people expecting when it was launched was that it was never going to be as good as Google Maps - a company who had spent years mapping the world in photographic detail - and they were correct.

I expected it to be second-class from the outset. Only massive anti-Google fanboys expected Apple to do better and that's their problem.
 
Your point being that the Apple/Yelp data has the restaurant on the wrong side of the street?

If so, fair point, but there is also a very large addition to the building in the bottom center that doesn't show up in the Google Maps, who are clearly using an old satellite image.

Which doesn't in any way excuse Apple for not fixing this after being reported several times.

IMO, Apple's POI problems are largely that they put too much weighting on Yelp location data, which is garbage as many times as not.

Edit: Interesting that DexKnows.com has the restaurant in the same location in that newly built building: http://www.dexknows.com/business_profiles/anzios_italian_restaurant-b552066/map

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I have reported this one several times since the launch of Apple Maps and it still hasn't been fixed.
 
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I remember when Google was starting out and Mapquest was king. A friend of mine missed half a party driving all over town looking for the venue we were at. Google had him 5 miles away in another town. They all start somewhere. Currently Apple has my job listed right, Google 1/2 mile away in the middle of the road. Neither is perfect. Ironically, a Google camera car had circled our building for street view long before Apple maps was out.
 
I understand why people *wanted* Apple Maps to begin its public life as a perfectly formed service but I don't know why people *expected* as much.

Go back and watch Forstall talk about Apple Maps during the iOS 6 demo and perhaps you'll understand why people's expectations were high. Forstall/Apple made it sound like they had been working to make sure that the new Maps app set the new standard for turn-by-turn navigation and 3D satellite imagery on the iPhone. The reality was far, far different from what we had been led to believe by Forstall/Apple.
 
Your point being that the Apple/Yelp data has the restaurant on the wrong side of the street?

If so, fair point, but there is also a very large addition to the building in the bottom center that doesn't show up in the Google Maps, who are clearly using an old satellite image.

Which doesn't in any way excuse Apple for not fixing this after being reported several times.

IMO, Apple's POI problems are largely that they put too much weighting on Yelp location data, which is garbage as many times as not.

Edit: Interesting that DexKnows.com has the restaurant in the same location in that newly built building: http://www.dexknows.com/business_profiles/anzios_italian_restaurant-b552066/map

But it isn't Yelp.com shows the location in the right place...
 
Google's data is still 100x better than Apple's. And we're talking the basics.

It wasn't when google was less than two years old. Folks forget that back then Google was just as crappy, perhaps even more

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The biggest thing missing from Apple Maps is street view, one of the reasons I still use Google Maps most of the time.

Don't get your hopes up. Google has IP protected street view out the ass to keep anyone from copying it. And will likely never license it.
 
It wasn't when google was less than two years old. Folks forget that back then Google was just as crappy, perhaps even more

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Don't get your hopes up. Google has IP protected street view out the ass to keep anyone from copying it. And will likely never license it.

Nokia also has street view with its own cars so there goes supposed IP protection or Google never licensing this. I don't know why Apple doesn't build it's own cars with a version of Quicktime VR.
 
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Google's data is still 100x better than Apple's. And we're talking the basics.

It's all because Google has a world class map editing system that anyone can signup and use.

Hopefully Apple will implement something like this.
Google may have a world class map editing system but more importantly they are getting their map data from the best map companies. OpenStreetMap is a nice project but it's nowhere close to provide the quality that established map companies can.
 
Google Maps feels bloated and very slow to start up. It also takes me longer to get the turn by turn started. No issues with Apple Maps yet.
 
I filed a complaint about an unclosed-polygon error (or whatever it is) in Apple's maps months and months ago. But near where I live, Maps is still showing a decent-sized body of water (square mile or two) as land.

I realize mapping is a difficult problem, but with a few hundred million and a couple of years you'd think you could figure out where the water and land are, or the difference between your maps and that.

If these maps are licensed, especially from a satnav company, you'd think the licensor would have fixed it by now. Can't have people driving on water!
 
the problem with a service like Apple Maps is trust. Once you get burned by it, you are going to stop using it and it takes a lot to get that trust back.

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Really? Google maps is perfect and trustworthy it seems :rolleyes: if I got a dollar for every google maps bs over the years I wouldn't need a job by now.
 
Both Apple and Google Maps have issues but the reason i stick with Apple Maps is ease of use, speed of loading and change in route when i miss a turn Apple reroutes faster, and the integration with the OS.

Google Maps is pretty much equal to Apple Maps at this point. I have used Apple Maps for the past year after using Navignon / Google for many years and love the little touches like night mode and the great way the music volume decreases (not as abrupt as Google's Maps)

Do I think Apple Maps can get better? Yes definitely. And it makes me wonder why 1 billion hasnt been spent to make the best damn Maps app possible andjust take a dump on Google's but I think Apple probably assumes most people will stick with whatever comes preloaded on their phone esp less tech savy iPhone users
 
I reported about 10 problems in 5 minutes... And I live in Montreal... Not like nobody lives there or anything. I could understand that their data wasn't as close as Google Maps during the first year, and I was one to defend Apple Maps, but after two years it's laughable. If Scott Forstall was responsible of this, then why are they STILL not able to work it out after they ousted him ? They needed a head to put the blame on.
 
I agree, Google Maps is far better, heck Bing Maps is better, but I think Google Maps is s...l...o...w.
 
I reported an error on google maps, and got a reply within 24 hours, confirming the error, thanking me for my notification. And checking on google maps, they had made the correction.

I've made dozens of error reports on apple maps, and not one has been acted upon. So I won't bother doing any more.
 
I don't think it was the release of Apple Maps that caused Google Maps to offer turn-by-turn directions, rather a contractual clause with Apple that prevented them from offering TbT directions. What was Google to do? Offer a separate iOS mapping app, in addition to the stock maps app? Apple would never let that happen. Plus, the SDK prohibited TbT directions using the stock maps. Google's hands were essentially tied.

Actually, it's the other way around. Google knew that their maps were superior to every other comparable service (especially after they introduced vector maps and turn-by-turn), and that it had become a critical service since the iPhone.

Google wanted more out of its relationship with Apple. They didn't just want to let Apple use the maps data in return for money or being the default search option or whatever; they wanted to get information about the device owners. That's how Google makes money - by knowing lots of information about you. That's embodied in the new Google Maps - it actually uses your information and your Google+/Gmail contacts and their information to build a personalised map for you. The POIs you see on Google Maps vary based on (for example) which kinds of restaurants you like or your contacts like.

Google withheld the best of Google Maps unless Apple would give them that information. Apple refused. Google launched their own Maps app, which includes Google+ sign-in and collects all that juicy data from you. Apple doesn't mind about that - they just didn't want it in the default Maps app.

The expectations were set by Apple when they introduced Maps at WWDC 2012. If Apple, using a ton of superlatives, says the product is great, why would fans think anything otherwise?

What Apple debuted was not great by any stretch of the imagination. They could have said "Hey we're giving you a beta level product that needs significant work. But bear with us. A couple of years from now it will be marginally better." That would have been the truth and the expectations for Maps might not have been so high.

But what we got was a ton of hype from Apple, then an apology from Tim when the product didn't live up to the hype. With that being said, I don't understand why you don't understand why people were expecting more than they got.

As I understand it, Apple was kind of forced in to the maps game. It also wasn't really a product which they sold - it was one part of the iOS6 update. Creating accurate maps is a ridiculously hard thing to do. Not only is the world a big place, but it's constantly changing. Businesses pop-up and disappear every single day, roads are built, or change, or closed, somewhere on Earth almost as often.

My experience of mapping on iOS is that is has improved significantly since iOS6. Apple's maps themselves are beautiful, very fast, and pretty accurate. They do have some oddities with regards to POIs, and searching could be much improved, but overall it's very good.

Google Maps have been very good for a long time. Part of that is Google's enormous team which allows them to verify and integrate problem reports quickly. Apple don't have that infrastructure, and it's not economical for them to build it because they don't derive any revenue directly from their maps. Google Maps itself has improved dramatically since the launch of iOS6 - we now have vector maps, turn-by-turn and all the rest of the goodies. It's finally on-par with Android.

Apple didn't launch their own mapping service because they want to get in to maps. They launched it because they wanted iOS devices to have the best possible maps experience, and not be second-fiddle to Android. One way or another, that goal was achieved.

I don't think Apple will continue to build their own maps service for very long. They have bought a lot of companies to integrate, so maybe they'll spin them off as a separate company, but the simple fact is that creating good maps cannot be done by machine and requires a lot of human infrastructure to support. That does not make economic sense unless you are deriving revenue directly from your maps.
 
Don't get your hopes up. Google has IP protected street view out the ass to keep anyone from copying it. And will likely never license it.
Bing Maps seems to have something like it, but I can't actually use it, for the reason depicted below:

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I guess they can copy it and make it just different enough to get away with it. MapQuest doesn't have anything like it, though.
 
I´ve had so many problems with Maps in the beginning, that it will take a long time before I´ll feel confident enough to try Maps ever again.

I gotta say, IMHO, Apple was really stupid and arrogant for releasing this app and remove googles map data when they did. From what I read Apple had one year left of their contract with googles map data - why not give Maps at least 1 year of polish before changing over?...A Maps app can´t work half of the times when first sent to the public...especially when its the native Mapping app.
When they changed to soon with such a bad app, this gave google an incentive to release a new and more accurate app as fast as they could.
Now, I´m using the google app, and its brilliant, it looks nice, it got more map info and its super accurate. So, for what reason should I ever change back unless Maps would do something groundbreaking? - which I can´t really see happening.

So Apple wasted their opportunity with this one, I'm guessing a lot of people will stick with google maps.
 
Google Maps feels bloated and very slow to start up. It also takes me longer to get the turn by turn started. No issues with Apple Maps yet.

Yeah, that's the main reason I don't use it. It drains the battery more quickly and makes me press too many buttons to make it navigate, plus Siri can't use it. Seriously, half the buttons on the app are redundant. It's a great service, sadly limited by a poorly-made app and Apple's refusal (until iOS 8) to allow Siri to control third-party apps.
 
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