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I was in Aruba about two years ago.
After a few hours at the beach I caught a cab back to the cruise terminal.

I get in the cab and see that the driver has a concert playing on his dash.
He's watching it as he "drives", sings along, and is totally rocking out.

Let's just say that was the longest cab ride of my life.
 
Lol don't worry about them. They just love to over-react and be self-righteous.

Assuming you don't have the hand eye-coordination of an 80 year old, its quite normal to do things while driving and not realistically endanger yourself or anyone else driving on the road with you.

To them, if you do anything that might increase the probability of POTENTIALLY making a mistake = you've just murdered someone.

Accidents happen because people make mistakes and have mental lapses in controlling their car, not because they checked their phone. I can drive on the freeway with one knee holding the wheel and am writing a whole paragraph via text to someone while music is blasting in the background and I am changing tracks, looking at the road only once every 5 seconds. AND I NEVER EVEN GOT CLOSE TO HAVING AN ACCIDENT. You can't explain that...

The truth is its not up to you to say just how skilled and capable of a multi-tasker and driver the said person is. If I had to make a blanket rule, I would probably err on the side of caution, because determining who can and can't do what, is impossible. But I don't illogically go over-board and act like no human on earth is fit or in control of his motor functions enough to handle the multi-tasking dynamics of driving and also doing something at the same time.

Driving is not that challenging guys. You're in a lane and you stay in it and you go straight. Once in a while you make a right or left turn.

People get in car accidents without being drunk or texting at the wheel all the time. (You can't refute that piece of evidence.) Over-reacting like its the end of the world is just illogical. People go whole lifetimes while doing stuff in their cars so spare me the safety-freak holier-than-thou drama and realize the world continues to exist without your "rules."

Obvious troll is obvious

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That's nothing...

I was in Aruba about two years ago.
After a few hours at the beach I caught a cab back to the cruise terminal.

I get in the cab and see that the driver has a concert playing on his dash.
He's watching it as he "drives", sings along, and is totally rocking out.

Let's just say that was the longest cab ride of my life.

Just be glad it wasn't the shortest cab ride of your life
 
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Do u not think he meens as a tomtom? As im also looking into this & wondering what mounts are available...
 
You see, in other countries its quite normal, (especially for career drivers) to have something keeping them sane and entertained. In other countries they don't have hyper-compensating over-reactions because they are more independent as individuals and know what they are and aren't capable of. They don't depend on the government for all survival and safety cues like a bunch of kindergarteners who need someone to hold their hand in all systems of behavior they partake in. They are independent, not dependent like Americans (Sometimes when you hear people in other countries make fun of Americans, this is the type of notions they are trying to express.) The way we tend to over-react for little things like this makes us seem retarded and less than capable to even survive and stay alive without government assistance. To other people we come off as spoiled.

Look at what things are like in other countries:


That's nothing...

I was in Aruba about two years ago.
After a few hours at the beach I caught a cab back to the cruise terminal.

I get in the cab and see that the driver has a concert playing on his dash.
He's watching it as he "drives", sings along, and is totally rocking out.

Let's just say that was the longest cab ride of my life.

Miraculously this man survived all those years doing that and is STILL ALIVE to this day!!!!

...meanwhile in America...


Jesus christ, stop that. As if people on cel phones weren't bad enough. Are you serious?

I think even in traffic jams. Watching iPad when driving pretty much the same as DWI!

Your just trying to wind people up right?

But if you are being serious, I'm glad the roads I drive on are the opposite side of the Atlantic to you.

Dumb. Just plain Dumb
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And how the hell are you going to do anything, even control your music with both hands on the wheel? At least with my car stereo, I don't have to take my eyes off the road to find the buttons and knobs with one hand. With a touchscreen there is no feedback other than visual, you HAVE to take your eyes off the road to control it. Bad bad idea.

...Using the iPad while you're driving..?!?!! What can you possibly be thinking?? Will it take a broadside hit to make you realize it's just plain stupid? Ditch the iPad and focus on driving!!!!!

(its almost as if he WANTS him to die now.)

Driving while using an iPad? Surely you jest. Or have no common sense.

Whatever, should things go wrong and you injure someone, don't whine when you get sued. Presuming, of course, you survive the crash.

I would call this "Natural Selection" if stupid ****ing morons didn't bring intelligent people with them in death...

This is the stupidest thing I've heard all week.. iPads are not meant to be used by a driver, regardless of how many fancy mounts you have.. Is playing with it in the car really worth risking your's or some innocent person's life.. Seriously, that's just plain stupid, you could kill someone.

You will eventually get flamed as you car burns after hitting a semi...

And the Darwin Award goes to... We have a tie between you and the guy that turned left at a light...

It seems like a lot of you are subliminally and passive aggressively wishing death upon these people. Thats not normal...

Some of you take self righteous hatred too far.
 
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You're not qualified to make that assessment nor are you aware what I personally am capable of. For all you know I can be the most trained stunt driver on earth with a huge capacity for multitasking and precice road awareness. How do you know I am not a race car driver, to which whom it is like second nature to drive to, and can maintain a perfect road awareness even whilst doing secondary auxiliary tasks? Did you ever look at it from that perspective? Different people have different levels of aptitudes and skills and what may be complicated to you might be effortless to me.

Its like that scene in Good Will Hunting where the math is just too easy for him compared to how it takes the professor time to figure it out and fumble through it.

Even if you are the best driver on the planet, bottom line is that you are still human. Humans make mistakes, and it may not necessarily be yours.
I have been driving for many years now (and yes I have done some professional as well in the beginning but that does not mean that I am the best driver ever). When you drive a car, no matter what speed, you need to concentrate on the road because a small error by you can result in someones life. And in my opinion, the iPad is no where as important as someones life.
Yes, you do drive in a lane but you never can predict when the one in front might brake. Just recently, some old person floored his brakes and gave me the bird (why? no clue - I did nothing to him). Additionally, there is always a possibility that a dog (has happened to me), or a deer (has come in front multiple times) can cross out of the blue causing excessive braking.
 

Nice post. I hope he learns something from it. 2 years ago I witnessed a horrible 14-15 car crash that resulted in a major accident and road blockage. Ironically, a cop was trying to merge on to the main highway with his lights and siren on. A woman felt the need to floor her brakes to allow this cop to go. Quite unfortunately, a trucker was behind her and obviously he crashed into her. Not sure if any major injuries or casualties were found but peoples lives were affected.
I really hope more cameras are installed to ticket people found driving with their knees (idiotic), texting while driving, or even using an iPad or such while driving.
 
You see, in other countries its quite normal, (especially for career drivers) to have something keeping them sane and entertained. .....

Hello Bobby... I'm assuming that you are purposely pushing buttons.... but for those who read this thread in months to come, and didn't get your irony....

The are two main problem with your logic. 1) You are assuming that all those others drivers around you are paying attention, and compensating for your inattention while you entertain yourself. But if your attention is not on the road, then how do you compensate for another driver's inattention? It is already extraordinary that you can put hundreds of cars, all travelling at 88 feet per second (28 metres per second) so close together so safely. There is of course a large margin of safety - people really are pretty good at anticipating potential problems and making decisions quickly to defuse the situation.

Of course this can only happen when the majority of drivers are paying attention to what is in front of them, and around them, and adjusting their trajectory accordingly. There is enough latitude for one or two stupid and inattentive drivers to be added to the mix. Usually. But what happens when two stupid and inattentive drivers happen to come together?

It has already been proven that just talking on cell phone (hands-free or other-wise) affects a driver's ability to maintain their lane position. That it takes an extra second or so to end a conversation and start thinking about a developing situation in front of you (not an emergency, just something you need to pay attention to.) If it's more than 88 feet / 28 metres away you have a good chance of avoiding it, less than 88 feet / 28 metres and chances are you won't even be thinking about it much by time you are there.

The second problem with your logic is that you make sweeping claims about what happens in countries outside the USA without any attempt to back them up. Can you cite any sources?



As a driver, I've been involved in one collision, luckily minor. Absolutely not my fault. If I had been 1% more attentive (and I was already 90%+ aware that something was developing ahead, and was stopping) I may have avoided the collision. If I had been 2% less attentive someone would have been seriously hurt (perhaps me!). [The other driver blew through a stop sign, across 6 lanes of traffic. Perhaps they were texting on an iPad?

By your statements, as long as I had maintained my lane I should have been OK, even with my eyes off the road ahead.
 
I've met many drivers like Bobby in my 15 years working as a paramedic.

I've also met many people who were critically injured or killed by those driver's overconfidence.

:rolleyes:
 
Gps and music are probably the only safe things it can be used for. It's arguably a lot safer to use an iPad for these tasks because of the sheer size of it compared to radios and gps units...it'd be easier to see at a glance than these other devices.

I use my galaxy s2 and I've set it up so that I've got a widget on the lock screen and don't even have to look at it to skip tracks :) I would still get points for that if caught, which is stupid..
 
Even if you are the best driver on the planet, bottom line is that you are still human. Humans make mistakes, and it may not necessarily be yours.
I have been driving for many years now (and yes I have done some professional as well in the beginning but that does not mean that I am the best driver ever). When you drive a car, no matter what speed, you need to concentrate on the road because a small error by you can result in someones life. And in my opinion, the iPad is no where as important as someones life.
Yes, you do drive in a lane but you never can predict when the one in front might brake. Just recently, some old person floored his brakes and gave me the bird (why? no clue - I did nothing to him). Additionally, there is always a possibility that a dog (has happened to me), or a deer (has come in front multiple times) can cross out of the blue causing excessive braking.

Well thats assuming I am not aware of potential elements. For example my peripheral vision can still detect tail lights and braking on a car if there even is one anywhere remotely in front of me. Or as another example, my brain can still account for all possible interruption or potential impediments or any and all interventions that could occur while I am driving down a freeway. I am able to sense if "now is a good time to text" or not. I probably wouldn't text while navigating a busy intersection, but I might if I am cruising on a freeway by myself with nobody around.

Lets be honest, the freeway is usually empty and there are no cars around for miles. The road goes straight for miles. Its safe to look away for a moment here and there. The road isn't going anywhere. Small error shmerror.

If we were to put it in math terms, its would only increase the probability by only 1/10000000000000000th of a probability on any given event of using a device while driving.

There is no need to compare an iPad to someones life. The actual guaranteed loss of someones life was never actually in question, only the probability of the potential to make a mistake which could potentially further result in an accident which could result in a fatality increased by such a nominal amount that it pretty much means it didn't change anything and furthermore; the difference can only be expressed on a mass scale of manifestation, not on an individual situational level. You don't know if it was the concept of texting that did it, or if the person was just careless and it was bound to happen.

Its impossible to argue that the reason for the mistake was due to the actual texting or just the general lack of awareness in the person which would have led to an accident sooner or later.

For example I never even got close to getting in an accident. Ever. And I used to have an in dash flip out LCD Tv monitor on my dash.


I stopped watching when she swerved off the road. Just because that was a simulation of some retarded people doesn't mean that is normal or commonplace or applies to me. Nor should I have to suffer a blanket rule and watch my rearview from cops every time I want to change songs on my music player.

Nice post. I hope he learns something from it. 2 years ago I witnessed a horrible 14-15 car crash that resulted in a major accident and road blockage. Ironically, a cop was trying to merge on to the main highway with his lights and siren on. A woman felt the need to floor her brakes to allow this cop to go. Quite unfortunately, a trucker was behind her and obviously he crashed into her. Not sure if any major injuries or casualties were found but peoples lives were affected.
I really hope more cameras are installed to ticket people found driving with their knees (idiotic), texting while driving, or even using an iPad or such while driving.

So it seems it was the cop that was the cause of the crash. How did it get to blaming the iPad? People using iPads while driving don't kill people. People making mistakes kill people.

Hello Bobby... I'm assuming that you are purposely pushing buttons.... but for those who read this thread in months to come, and didn't get your irony....

The are two main problem with your logic. 1) You are assuming that all those others drivers around you are paying attention, and compensating for your inattention while you entertain yourself. But if your attention is not on the road, then how do you compensate for another driver's inattention? It is already extraordinary that you can put hundreds of cars, all travelling at 88 feet per second (28 metres per second) so close together so safely. There is of course a large margin of safety - people really are pretty good at anticipating potential problems and making decisions quickly to defuse the situation.

Of course this can only happen when the majority of drivers are paying attention to what is in front of them, and around them, and adjusting their trajectory accordingly. There is enough latitude for one or two stupid and inattentive drivers to be added to the mix. Usually. But what happens when two stupid and inattentive drivers happen to come together?

It has already been proven that just talking on cell phone (hands-free or other-wise) affects a driver's ability to maintain their lane position. That it takes an extra second or so to end a conversation and start thinking about a developing situation in front of you (not an emergency, just something you need to pay attention to.) If it's more than 88 feet / 28 metres away you have a good chance of avoiding it, less than 88 feet / 28 metres and chances are you won't even be thinking about it much by time you are there.

The second problem with your logic is that you make sweeping claims about what happens in countries outside the USA without any attempt to back them up. Can you cite any sources?



As a driver, I've been involved in one collision, luckily minor. Absolutely not my fault. If I had been 1% more attentive (and I was already 90%+ aware that something was developing ahead, and was stopping) I may have avoided the collision. If I had been 2% less attentive someone would have been seriously hurt (perhaps me!). [The other driver blew through a stop sign, across 6 lanes of traffic. Perhaps they were texting on an iPad?

By your statements, as long as I had maintained my lane I should have been OK, even with my eyes off the road ahead.

We are all reasonable people here.

I am in no position to argue that doing things while driving is safe. That would be ignoring the fact that some people have less mind-to-motor connection/ability than others and it would behoove us to make a rule against it and shun those who do it. But thats as far as I go.

My problem is with the overdone demonizing of it. I assure you I am not being ironic when I say that I believe it is too much when people react with attitudes like that.

You know me, I am all about encouraging positivity and discouraging fear-mongering and/or hatred in any unhealthy form. :)

Let us not forget freedom is important as well.

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Bobby, meet the Dunning-Kruger Effect. It's here to kill you, and the unfortunate people who happy to be driving in your vicinity when the inevitable happens.

You fail to notice one important aspect of the Dunning-Kruger Effect which leads me to suspect that you suffer from it.

This pattern was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis.

Kruger and Dunning proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

-tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
-fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
-fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
-recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they can be trained to substantially improve.
 
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I am in no position to argue that doing things while driving is safe. That would be ignoring the fact that some people have less mind-to-motor ability connection than others and it would behoove us to make a rule against it and shun those who do it. But thats as far as I go.

Okay, I'm confused. Are you saying that people with less mind-to-motor coordination should be forbidden to multi-task while driving, while those with a higher level of coordination should be allowed to do whatever they want? If so, then I believe we would need to come up with some sort of skills test to determine a driver's mind-motor coordination level, and make everyone take this test, and issue special "you are allowed to multi-task while driving" licenses to those who pass. Because I know I wouldn't trust everyone to be able to accurately assess their own coordination levels, or to report their self-assessment truthfully. Because, you know, if everyone could always be trusted to do that, why have any testing at all? We could all just waltz into the DMV and swear that we know how to drive, and get issued a driving license because they will just take our word for it!
 
Okay, I'm confused. Are you saying that people with less mind-to-motor coordination should be forbidden to multi-task while driving, while those with a higher level of coordination should be allowed to do whatever they want? If so, then I believe we would need to come up with some sort of skills test to determine a driver's mind-motor coordination level, and make everyone take this test, and issue special "you are allowed to multi-task while driving" licenses to those who pass. Because I know I wouldn't trust everyone to be able to accurately assess their own coordination levels, or to report their self-assessment truthfully. Because, you know, if everyone could always be trusted to do that, why have any testing at all? We could all just waltz into the DMV and swear that we know how to drive, and get issued a driving license because they will just take our word for it!

To answer the question in bold: Kind of. But it would be impossible.
 
To answer the question in bold: Kind of. But it would be impossible.

Okay, then. So I guess what most people in this thread have been saying is that, given it is impossible to forbid just the lesser-coordinated people from multi-tasking while driving, then it is preferable to ban EVERYONE from multi-tasking while driving, even those who are able to do so safely. Because, on the one hand we have some highly coordinated drivers getting bored when they could be entertaining themselves or even being productive by multi-tasking while driving. On the other hand, we have less coordinated drivers potentially causing accidents, leading to property damages, injuries, and in extreme cases even death. Which is the lesser evil?
 
Okay, then. So I guess what most people in this thread have been saying is that, given it is impossible to forbid just the lesser-coordinated people from multi-tasking while driving, then it is preferable to ban EVERYONE from multi-tasking while driving, even those who are able to do so safely. Because, on the one hand we have some highly coordinated drivers getting bored when they could be entertaining themselves or even being productive by multi-tasking while driving. On the other hand, we have less coordinated drivers potentially causing accidents, leading to property damages, injuries, and in extreme cases even death. Which is the lesser evil?

Exactly but what they forget is the only reason we ban everyone is because there is no way to ban only the ones that can't handle it.

We have no other option or choice to proceed with. We are faced with an all or nothing scenario.

Given this "best-case-scenario" nature of the rule, after we make it, we shouldn't forget why and how we made it, and we shouldn't forget that our hands were tied to either, a) make a blanket rule or, b) let it go unchecked. But we should never forget this rule is for the greater good and is not indicative of a fundamental inability in ALL humans to multi-task while driving. It is only to protect the people who are less than capable, and it is not up to you to decide if I am one of the capable ones or not. The rule wasn't made for the reason you are choosing to act like it was made for. Not all people are exactly the same person. Multi-tasking does not automatically equal death like you guys are acting because everyone is different and it depends on each individual person more than anything; and how careful they are.

So they are coldly taking that fact, and mutating it in reverse, acting like everyone that multi-tasks while driving is automatically constantly on the verge of murder and suicide. When in reality, there is no fundamental threat or significant increase in probability of danger in any cause and effect kind of relationship because accidents happen constantly every day with or without texting. If you are careful, you can be careful even when multi-tasking. They just choose to bottom line the concept in blanket fashion out of some misguided hidden agenda of insecurity.

So they have this lapse in judgment, they magnify the "threat," and use it as an excuse to unleash an ugly yet subtle deep-rooted fear-based cruelty and hatred. --A curse upon all those who will threaten their concept of safety and politically correct notions of civilization and conformity.
 
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You see, in other countries its quite normal, (especially for career drivers) to have something keeping them sane and entertained. In other countries they don't have hyper-compensating over-reactions because they are more independent as individuals and know what they are and aren't capable of. They don't depend on the government for all survival and safety cues like a bunch of kindergarteners who need someone to hold their hand in all systems of behavior they partake in. They are independent, not dependent like Americans (Sometimes when you hear people in other countries make fun of Americans, this is the type of notions they are trying to express.) The way we tend to over-react for little things like this makes us seem retarded and less than capable to even survive and stay alive without government assistance. To other people we come off as spoiled.

Hmmmm, it looks like the life expectancy in Aruba is about 4 years lower than in the United States. I wonder if that has anything to do with them being "more independent as individuals? :rolleyes:
 
Why are you all responding to this troll? Clearly Bobby Corwen's either a troll or an extremely delusional individual. Either way, he should be ignored.

Oh and Bobby, does your car have seat belts? Do you put them on? Ask yourself why since you obviously can never get into an accident. Do us all a favour and don't put them on.

Of course, for the more humble among us*, here are videos that show that anything can happen on the road when you least expect it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKH4AUJfl0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrDEISTagM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5O7U9RGssI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Bw27lgIkE
http://gizmodo.com/5869145/this-cra...ling-reminder-of-how-life-can-end-at-any-time

*obviously Bobby would've foreseen it all in advance, while looking down at his current session of Angry Birds playing on his iPad laid down on his lap
 
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Why are you all responding to this troll? Clearly Bobby Corwen's either a troll or an extremely delusional individual. Either way, he should be ignored.

Oh and Bobby, does your car have seat belts? Do you put them on? Ask yourself why since you obviously can never get into an accident. Do us all a favour and don't put them on.

Of course, for the more humble among us*, here are videos that show that anything can happen on the road when you least expect it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKH4AUJfl0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrDEISTagM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5O7U9RGssI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Bw27lgIkE
http://gizmodo.com/5869145/this-cra...ling-reminder-of-how-life-can-end-at-any-time

*obviously Bobby would've foreseen it all in advance, while looking down at his current session of Angry Birds playing on his iPad laid down on his lap

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