This will be my first iPad with a cellular connection. I'd say give it a shot. Worst case scenario is they say no and you are where you started.
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This will be my first iPad with a cellular connection. I'd say give it a shot. Worst case scenario is they say no and you are where you started.
Yeah, the iPhone could be more complicated as it's locked by default when purchased through the carrier.
I remember seeing how the Verizon iPhone was sim locked, and that they did unlock it for you for international use, but was that on a carrier by carrier basis? And an unlocked iPhone worked on either AT&T (GSM) or Verizon (CDMA) as needed? If that's true then I would think the iPad won't have an issue either.
I've gone to AT&T to purchase several micro sims in the past and was never charged for them. Prepaid use and iPad use... But I'm sure its a big YMMV.
Well I have no issue with them locking it if it is carrier subsidized. If I go to the Apple store with $650 plus tax that is mine phone and should be able to do with it as I want. If its a tech issue I dont complain but it seems like At&t and Verizon dont want to give us a choice.
I've only purchased unlocked iPhones in canada as that's where I live.. and its worked on all network (but of course I've never tried cdma).
So full priced iPhones in the US ($650) aren't carrier unlocked? That definitely seems like it shouldn't be a technical issue, but who knows.
Great information. Thanks for the explanation. I realized that I'm getting the AT&T version on 3/16 and the VZW version on 3/20. I'll put the AT&T sim in the VZW and if it works I'll ask for an AT&T sim when I return it.
Brother you are soooo lucky. I am jealous, in your country you get the best deal. I was visiting someone in northern Ohio I drove to Canada to buy an iPhone 4s because we can't buy them here. i guess its illegal to export Canadian iPhones.
Lol.. And somehow in all this iPad LTE mess we're the only ones that can buy a single iPad version and use it with different LTE carriers.
I don't think it's illegal to export.. I definitely remember people buying and selling unlocked iPhones back since the 3GS since they were unlocked. Actually I don't know for sure the laws around exporting/selling lol.
That surprises me though in the US.. I thought with the 4 or 4S they were really carrier unlocked when sold at full price.
You don't think they are "up close" with the 2 providers? This is your OPINION and you have absolutely no information AS FACT other than what you BELIEVE to be the case. I hope **I** am wrong since I ordered a Verizon version for just that reason. However I strongly believe the ATT SIM won't work in the Verizon version in the USA (but will outside the USA). VERIZON can easily provision it to ignore ATT towers in the US while leaving it fully "unlocked" in the rest of the world and thus keep the promise of being able to use it worldwide (VZW in the US, anything else outside the US as well as foreign SIMs inside the US).
I believe it to be the case as every gsm iPad sold has been unlocked, and apple has mentioned the new iPad to be unlocked as well.
I'm sure there's a chance Verizon could be doing something funny, I have no idea what exactly happens when a device is provisioned on CDMA.
And yes, out of the box apple is giving us an unlocked device.
This is not specifically a GSM iPad but a Verizon CDMA "world-device" (almost said "world phone"). Where has Apple said it was "UNLOCKED?" They did say it could be used anywhere in the world WHERE THE BANDS ARE COMPATIBLE and listed the radios but I don't believe they ever used the term "unlocked" or "sim unlocked." Everyone is ASSuming. We'll see on Friday. Hope you're right.
I do not believe you are activate an unlocked (Non USA iPhone 4S) on either Sprint or Verizon CDMA network.
Cause guy on Howard forums got unlocked iPhone 4S from a trip in China and Veruzon would not activate his unlocked iPhone 4S.
International Unlocked iPhone 4S only works on GSM carriers and not CDMA carriers like Verizon.
Apple specifically says you can drop a local sim in and use their network when traveling abroad. Its on the iPad website.
In terms of network support and sim locks I don't think a tear down would really help would it?
I mean, we know the technical stuff, which qualcomm chipset is being used and what bands are supported on each.
Yep agree. We know chipset. The million dollar question is did apple provision the baseband or software to lock the gsm provision within the USA.
My hunch is AT&T and Verizon are in this together with Apple to conquer and divide.
I never suggested you couldn't. What I stated was that an ATT SIM in a VERIZON iPad INSIDE THE US wouldn't work but OUTSIDE THE US it would.
First of all, this is NOT a GSM device as the ATT one is, it's a USA only CDMA device with GSM bands for ROAMING outside the US. Apple NEVER said it was unlocked just that it could be used anywhere in the world. While the ATT GSM version is unlocked because ATT is GSM and in order to use it worldwide it must be unlocked while the Verizon one is CDMA with GSM fallback for outside the US and sold only in the USA.
You, me and everyone else is only GUESSING & ASSuming based purely on conjecture however I really do hope you are right.
Guess we'll know for sure Friday at the latest one way or the other!
I emailed "THE VERGE.COM" and suggested they try it since they have the iPad now.The reason the iphones are locked is because they are heavily subsidized by the carriers.
Just in case anyone has not noticed, we are paying an extra $130 for the cellular version of the ipad. Therefore, these are not locked. You are free to use them on whichever networks the radio chipsets support.
The only reason there are two versions is because of the LTE bands.
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No such thing as GSM or CDMA device, whenever both chipsets are included.
This device has nothing to do with the carriers. If you purchase a 4G and never activate it, neither VZ or ATT will care. It's also why they offer prepaid data subscriptions that you can connect or disconnect at your leisure.
Just in case anyone has not noticed, we are paying an extra $130 for the cellular version of the ipad. Therefore, these are not locked. You are free to use them on whichever networks the radio chipsets support.
The only reason there are two versions is because of the LTE bands.
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No such thing as GSM or CDMA device, whenever both chipsets are included.
This device has nothing to do with the carriers. If you purchase a 4G and never activate it, neither VZ or ATT will care. It's also why they offer prepaid data subscriptions that you can connect or disconnect at your leisure.
My old Verizon Iphone 4 has a chipset that allows GSM bands. But there is no sim card slot. The chipset alone does not define the device GSM or CDMA device.
Do you think At&t and Verizon worked with Apple to offer LTE for the fun of it. They want you to activate their service because that is how they make money.
Yea, I'm with everyone else that wants to buy a Verizon version just so I have the ability to pop in my iPhone ATT sim wherever Verizon's LTE is not available.
Its obvious that the Verizon version includes the GSM chipsets so if there is any sort of carrier or software lock preventing it from being used on USA GSM networks there will be an outrage. There is no way Apple can justify locking it when we pay full price for the device.
Its obvious that the Verizon version includes the GSM chipsets so if there is any sort of carrier or software lock preventing it from being used on USA GSM networks there will be an outrage. There is no way Apple can justify locking it when we pay full price for the device.
The iphone 4 was not released as a world phone, and the VZ model does not allow roaming onto GSM. The iphone 4S is indeed a world phone and the exact same handset is sold by AT&T, VZ, and Sprint. However, they are locked down using software.
These cellular ipads are not subsidized, so while they work with a wireless carrier, we are under no obligation to use the carrier. Whereas, if I purchase a 4S from Sprint for $199, they are expecting me to use it on Sprint and that is why it's locked.
Much like the ipad, if I purchase an unlocked 4S, I can use it on whoever I want (that allows it) or simply not activate it with anyone at all.
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That is incorrect. You can't use a unlocked 4S with just any carrier.
Also you ignored my statements. They do care what service you use because thats how they make money. Chipsets do not alone define a device CDMA or GSM.