vacationing in HI with a drone

[Lioness~]

If a drone is low enough to look into windows or similar, I'm pretty certain they are flying to low.
Don't know the exact height drones have to fly in, but it's not close to the airspace of windows or balconies in populated areas.
Convincing a judge about that would be very easy.

 

[Sackofnickels]

I think you would be able to get some great shots, but discretion is key. People go to Hawaii to get away from the masses. Having a drone buzzing around is the equivalent of the guy that likes to blast Metallica on his radio all day.

I don't know how much experience you have with a drone but they are LOUD. If you go the Beach or take it with you on every sight seeing tour, and then whip it out all the time to get a shot, people will get annoyed.

Not to mention if you are going to be flying the drone over public areas, or in places that have lots of trees you better know how to fly the thing well. I had a DJI Phantom 4 that I flew a lot and it still got away from me a few times. Wind gusts, radio reception, there are a lot of variables. Hawaii can get very windy especially down by the beach.

After reading your post and your comments about "There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public". You are going to have a confrontation, guaranteed. Enjoy your vacation!

 

[dannyar]

If a drone is low enough to look into windows or similar, I'm pretty certain they are flying to low.
Don't know the exact height drones have to fly in, but it's not close to the airspace of windows or balconies in populated areas.
Convincing a judge about that would be very easy.

Glad some of you aren't lawyers, you would lose every case. The law is the law and a judge doesn't need convincing if a law is on your side. When was the last time he said she said trumped a clear law? Its the same reason why in a rear end collision the person who rear ended the other is always as fault regardless of how much convincing they try to do. With drones, you have fly zones where you can fly within the rights of the law. If someone feels they are being spied on they have to prove it and not just cause " That thing was flying near my house!"
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If a drone is low enough to look into windows or similar, I'm pretty certain they are flying to low.
Don't know the exact height drones have to fly in, but it's not close to the airspace of windows or balconies in populated areas.
Convincing a judge about that would be very easy.

Not the case if its an apartment or condo building.

 

[Lioness~]

Glad some of you aren't lawyers, you would lose every case. The law is the law and a judge doesn't need convincing if a law is on your side. When was the last time he said she said trumped a clear law? Its the same reason why in a rear end collision the person who rear ended the other is always as fault regardless of how much convincing they try to do. With drones, you have fly zones where you can fly within the rights of the law. If someone feels they are being spied on they have to prove it and not just cause " That thing was flying near my house!"
[doublepost=1536331911][/doublepost]
Not the case if its an apartment or condo building.

I have enough legal experience to know that convincing isn't trivia but presenting facts.
Facts are convincing beyond reasonable doubts.
If a drone is circulating around my home, looking into windows and balconies, THE DRONE IS TOO LOW.
I have no interest or reason to give you any further details, you are not the judge here Mr. Besserwizzer

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Express concern about noise and privacy and suddenly the “drone community” gets defensive.

Crikey, I dare say each “side” here just wants the other to acknowledge that (1) drones can be a nuisance (noise) or worse (privacy), and (2) there are perfectly legitimate uses for drones that don’t cross the concerns of 1.

I’ll say though that there seems to be a lot of defensiveness re 1 too.

Again, well said.

The arrogance and entitlement of the tone taken in some of the posts made by some of those who purport to support the use of drones - along with what seems to be a clear inability to accept the privacy concerns and issues of personal boundaries of others - is quite striking.

As is the defensiveness - and yes, name calling.

Hardly a persuasive case.

No reason at all to be defensive with people talking about shooting drones out of the sky. I see a lot of pot stirring without any substance other than ‘I don’t like them.’

No, it is not simply a case of that "I don't like them".

Rather, my concerns are to do with respect for boundaries, respect for others and the personal space and privacy of others; these are my concerns.

Man, must suck for someone to take in nature and shoot video like you were going to but in a way that makes a little noise....Do you also open your window and yell at the kids talking too loud as they walk by on their way home from school? If you live by an airport do you call the airlines every time a plane makes too much noise as its landing? This argument about noise a drone makes is so stupid. A barking dog causes more of a disturbance and that's an everyday thing. As most of us drone users know, we hardly fly everyday. You concerned about privacy? Write to your senator about it. Your more likely to have a guy with a telescope checking you out through your window than to have someone with a drone want to take a look at you in your tighty whiteys. Again, I will make one thing clear, if I am flying within my legal rights and you damage my drone by hurling rocks or shooting at it, I will take you to small claims court.

Very.

And I'm a European, where stuff such as Government regulation is not frowned upon.

The tone taken by your post hardly commends drone usage to those whom you may need, or wish to convince that they are not a menace.

No one said anything about shooting drones because of noise, i think. It was the peeping tom ones.

Good luck in small claims court with the argument "this naked lady I was checking out in her living room shot down my drone!"

Well said.

I have enough legal experience to know that convincing isn't trivia but presenting facts.
Facts are convincing beyond reasonable doubts.
If a drone is circulating around my home, looking into windows and balconies, THE DRONE IS TOO LOW.
I have no interest or reason to give you any further details, you are not the judge here Mr. Besserwizzer

Again, well said.

 

[dannyar]

You are all under the assumption that if a drone is flying around your house its peeping through your window. If its facing your home at under 20ft then by all means feel free to shoot it down. But just cause a drone is making noise around your home or even flying above your home gives you no right to shoot it down or attempt to damage it. Also as far as noise? My new mavic 2 is so quiet i can be right outside your window watching you stroll around in your undies and you wouldn't hear me.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

You are all under the assumption that if a drone is flying around your house its peeping through your window. If its facing your home at under 20ft then by all means feel free to shoot it down. But just cause a drone is making noise around your home or even flying above your home gives you no right to shoot it down or attempt to damage it. Also as far as noise? My new mavic 2 is so quiet i can be right outside your window watching you stroll around in your undies and you wouldn't hear me.

And why on earth would you want to do such a thing?

What makes you believe that you may be entitled to behave or conduct yourself in such a fashion?

Missing from the names (bitter, haters, tighty whiteys), the defensiveness, the arrogance, the contempt, the howls about rights, is any sense of respect for those whom your actions, hobbies and so-called rights inconvenience, and any awareness that their concerns need to be acknowledged, or any sense of respect for their concerns.

Show some respect for others.

Until then, wittering on about rights falls on very deaf ears.

 

[dannyar]

And why on earth would you want to do such a thing?

What makes you believe that you may be entitled to behave or conduct yourself in such a fashion?

Missing from the names (bitter, haters, tighty whiteys), the defensiveness, the arrogance, the contempt, the howls about rights, is any sense of respect for those whom your actions, hobbies and so-called rights inconvenience, and any awareness that their concerns need to be acknowledged, or any sense of respect for their concerns.

Show some respect for others.

Until then, wittering on about rights falls on very deaf ears.

Oh please. It was merely an example of how quite the drone is. Get off your high horse.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Oh please. It was merely an example of how quite the drone is. Get off your high horse.

No, it was more than an example; it was a graphic illustration of the arrogant, entitled attitude - and contempt - some drone users clearly feel for the reasonable concerns of those who query their use.

That this example was what you cited - and chose to cite, along with how you cited it - is very illuminating.

Not once on this thread has a drone user expressed appalled disgust at the clear abuse of drones that some posters have made clear they have personally experienced.

Not once have your posts even hinted at any acknowledgement of the validity of reasonable concerns re privacy and personal space and trespassing personal boundaries described by some here who have experienced the abuse of drones quite personally. Rather you jeer at them with a breathtaking - and extraordinarily defensive - lack of consideration, and respect.

I have never liked drones, this I will admit, but the arrogance, and insulting sense of entitlement, along with a clear lack of empathy and respect for the reasonable concerns of others - mentioned here - that some of the drone users who have posted here seem to clearly express and exhibit, the entitled mindset of some drone users as expressed here, has turned me into an implacable opponent of their (unregulated) use.

 

[Lioness~]

I got a good suggestion. A really good one.
If I can't shoot the da** drone down, I can always buy a faster defending drone and run into the ass*** in a kamikaze way. Let's the drone war begin

This is on a pure speculative level, but I enjoy the planning
I think growing the knowledge regarding this will strengthen my energy-field against it.
Doubt that the lil peeking sh** will return. That’s my stance

 

[arkitect]

I enjoy my music through QC35's. I don't inflict it on others. I don't think it is fair of people to do that. Especially as people who play loud music so all can hear always have terrible taste in music.
As for spying on you in your garden, yes my next door neighbour could. But I could on them to. But as neither of us want to do that or have that done to us, we don't.

But a drone piloted by who knows who and from where is much more sinister.

Quoted for the truth!
Invariably the worst kind of music.

As for drones: I have seen some wonderful footage shot, so yes, a great tool for cinematographers and the like.

This summer I have also had two blissful afternoons on the beach (yes, we do have them in the UK) spoilt by idiots and their droning drones. These things are loud and apparently their batteries last forever.

I have a feeling a few of these drone proponents are the same ones up in arms against companies such as Google mining their "private" information.

O tempora! O mores!

 

[Apple fanboy]

Man, must suck for someone to take in nature and shoot video like you were going to but in a way that makes a little noise....Do you also open your window and yell at the kids talking too loud as they walk by on their way home from school? If you live by an airport do you call the airlines every time a plane makes too much noise as its landing? This argument about noise a drone makes is so stupid. A barking dog causes more of a disturbance and that's an everyday thing. As most of us drone users know, we hardly fly everyday. You concerned about privacy? Write to your senator about it. Your more likely to have a guy with a telescope checking you out through your window than to have someone with a drone want to take a look at you in your tighty whiteys. Again, I will make one thing clear, if I am flying within my legal rights and you damage my drone by hurling rocks or shooting at it, I will take you to small claims court.

Notice the part I said about it being just 18 ft above the people.

Each post you make does come across more and more aggressive. I suggest if you want to convince people that drone users are not all irresponsible you should perhaps think about how it might invade somebody's privacy and peace and quiet.

Yes there are plenty of other ways people can be antisocial, some of them much worse, but I generally like to try and be courteous and neighbourly to the rest of the population.

 

[Lioness~]

Seems like there’s jamming devices, from small to bigger.
Or even fairly simple ways of disturbing drones wi-fi or GPS-connection with the driver. Hacking the crap out of it.

And it might be cheaper then any kamikaze adventures, Air or Paint-guns.
This is definitely worth looking into!

 

[Sackofnickels]

Glad some of you aren't lawyers, you would lose every case. The law is the law and a judge doesn't need convincing if a law is on your side. When was the last time he said she said trumped a clear law? Its the same reason why in a rear end collision the person who rear ended the other is always as fault regardless of how much convincing they try to do. With drones, you have fly zones where you can fly within the rights of the law. If someone feels they are being spied on they have to prove it and not just cause " That thing was flying near my house!"
[doublepost=1536331911][/doublepost]
Not the case if its an apartment or condo building.

There is a term called "reasonable expectation of privacy". If you can see someone from a public area such as a street or sidewalk you are fine. You are covered. If you start looking over fences or climbing trees to see into someone's yard or window (like flying a drone over someones house) you are invading their privacy and can be prosecuted. I know this because I am a private eye. Reasonable expectation of privacy is a big deal in my business.

To make matters worse if your drone was flying over a house and was able to record audio (As in a conversation) you could be arrested for invading their privacy. No question.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

There is a term called "reasonable expectation of privacy". If you can see someone from a public area such as a street or sidewalk you are fine. You are covered. If you start looking over fences or climbing trees to see into someone's yard or window (like flying a drone over someones house) you are invading their privacy and can be prosecuted. I know this because I am a private eye. Reasonable expectation of privacy is a big deal in my business.

To make matters worse if your drone was flying over a house and was able to record audio (As in a conversation) you could be arrested for invading their privacy. No question.

An excellent, timely and welcome post.

 

[BigMcGuire]

An excellent, timely and welcome post.

How dare you threaten his right to possibly disrupt your life! Killjoy! Freedom hater! </sarcasm>

I know the guy on our street was arrested (the guy caught flying a drone into people's backyards for weeks until they found out who it was). But I never found out if he was arrested for the drone flying or the fight that he was involved in with 3-4 neighbors. I just know those few weeks of a super loud drone hovering in my backyard every few days were really disruptive. You could hear that thing 3+ houses away and this was in the High Desert where each house sits on a 1/2 acre lot.

Drones are cool, I love the park where a ton of them fly on the weekends, but... when it's disruptive it "really" bothers you.

Definitely have to take your (@Scepticalscribe) side on this one, no question.

 

[bunnspecial]

Notice the part I said about it being just 18 ft above the people.

Each post you make does come across more and more aggressive. I suggest if you want to convince people that drone users are not all irresponsible you should perhaps think about how it might invade somebody's privacy and peace and quiet.

Yes there are plenty of other ways people can be antisocial, some of them much worse, but I generally like to try and be courteous and neighbourly to the rest of the population.

Nature photographers have been around since the beginning of photography.

Yes, an SLR can be noisy, but honestly it's NOTHING compared to the noise of a buzzing drone.

Most landscape and nature photographers I know-myself included-tend to just keep to ourselves and be as invasive as possible. When photographing birds or many other types of animals, it's a requirement. I'd be pretty upset if I'd gotten up early and scoped out a good and safe but close spot to photograph whatever my animal of the day was and had a drone buzzing around.

BTW, it's not exclusive to photography. I fish in private lakes/ponds/areas of the creek because they're quiet. Aside from disturbing the fish, I want to be left to my own device.

I'm not much of a hunter, but being quiet is the rule of game too for most types of hunting.

Around here, there are plenty of places both on public and private land where being quiet is the expected etiquette. Buzzing drones do NOT play into that.

Drones are a relatively new technology, and that's especially true when we start talking about privately owned and operated ones. Folks who haven't been around them will have to adjust to them, but at the same time drone owners need to have consideration for the established norms of the places they're visiting/flying.

There's nothing illegal, for example, about me going to fishing lake and stomping around the bank or screaming and hollering, but it's poor etiquette if there are other folks there fishing(again even if on public land). Of course, if I'm on private land the owner can tell me to get lost, even if they've previously given me permission to be there. Drone owners/flyers need to learn that even if they are in the legal right, doing things counter to the established etiquette are NOT going to win them friends.

Aside from that, as in a lot of cases cited-if you're flying around outside my window or if I had a wife and/or daughter who was laying in the backyard sunbathing and your drone was flying around, you'd better believe I'd have something to say about it. Plus, at least in rural parts of Kentucky, I can pretty well a gun anywhere I want to provided that I have permission to do so on the property, am doing so safely(firing against an earth backstop, etc) and am not shooting an animal out of season and/or without the proper license. It would be a real shame if I was shooting at clays with a shotgun and just HAPPENED to mistake your drone for one...

 

[Apple fanboy]

Nature photographers have been around since the beginning of photography.

Yes, an SLR can be noisy, but honestly it's NOTHING compared to the noise of a buzzing drone.

Most landscape and nature photographers I know-myself included-tend to just keep to ourselves and be as invasive as possible. When photographing birds or many other types of animals, it's a requirement. I'd be pretty upset if I'd gotten up early and scoped out a good and safe but close spot to photograph whatever my animal of the day was and had a drone buzzing around.

BTW, it's not exclusive to photography. I fish in private lakes/ponds/areas of the creek because they're quiet. Aside from disturbing the fish, I want to be left to my own device.

I'm not much of a hunter, but being quiet is the rule of game too for most types of hunting.

Around here, there are plenty of places both on public and private land where being quiet is the expected etiquette. Buzzing drones do NOT play into that.

Drones are a relatively new technology, and that's especially true when we start talking about privately owned and operated ones. Folks who haven't been around them will have to adjust to them, but at the same time drone owners need to have consideration for the established norms of the places they're visiting/flying.

There's nothing illegal, for example, about me going to fishing lake and stomping around the bank or screaming and hollering, but it's poor etiquette if there are other folks there fishing(again even if on public land). Of course, if I'm on private land the owner can tell me to get lost, even if they've previously given me permission to be there. Drone owners/flyers need to learn that even if they are in the legal right, doing things counter to the established etiquette are NOT going to win them friends.

Aside from that, as in a lot of cases cited-if you're flying around outside my window or if I had a wife and/or daughter who was laying in the backyard sunbathing and your drone was flying around, you'd better believe I'd have something to say about it. Plus, at least in rural parts of Kentucky, I can pretty well a gun anywhere I want to provided that I have permission to do so on the property, am doing so safely(firing against an earth backstop, etc) and am not shooting an animal out of season and/or without the proper license. It would be a real shame if I was shooting at clays with a shotgun and just HAPPENED to mistake your drone for one...

Well said!

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Nature photographers have been around since the beginning of photography.

Yes, an SLR can be noisy, but honestly it's NOTHING compared to the noise of a buzzing drone.

Most landscape and nature photographers I know-myself included-tend to just keep to ourselves and be as invasive as possible. When photographing birds or many other types of animals, it's a requirement. I'd be pretty upset if I'd gotten up early and scoped out a good and safe but close spot to photograph whatever my animal of the day was and had a drone buzzing around.

BTW, it's not exclusive to photography. I fish in private lakes/ponds/areas of the creek because they're quiet. Aside from disturbing the fish, I want to be left to my own device.

I'm not much of a hunter, but being quiet is the rule of game too for most types of hunting.

Around here, there are plenty of places both on public and private land where being quiet is the expected etiquette. Buzzing drones do NOT play into that.

Drones are a relatively new technology, and that's especially true when we start talking about privately owned and operated ones. Folks who haven't been around them will have to adjust to them, but at the same time drone owners need to have consideration for the established norms of the places they're visiting/flying.

There's nothing illegal, for example, about me going to fishing lake and stomping around the bank or screaming and hollering, but it's poor etiquette if there are other folks there fishing(again even if on public land). Of course, if I'm on private land the owner can tell me to get lost, even if they've previously given me permission to be there. Drone owners/flyers need to learn that even if they are in the legal right, doing things counter to the established etiquette are NOT going to win them friends.

Aside from that, as in a lot of cases cited-if you're flying around outside my window or if I had a wife and/or daughter who was laying in the backyard sunbathing and your drone was flying around, you'd better believe I'd have something to say about it. Plus, at least in rural parts of Kentucky, I can pretty well a gun anywhere I want to provided that I have permission to do so on the property, am doing so safely(firing against an earth backstop, etc) and am not shooting an animal out of season and/or without the proper license. It would be a real shame if I was shooting at clays with a shotgun and just HAPPENED to mistake your drone for one...

Excellent post, and very well said.

 

[sevoneone]

Plenty of valid points on both sides that really need to be carefully considered. As more people acquire drones the more problems there are going to be.

People certainly deserve the courtesy of a sense of reasonable privacy and general safety. People that want to pursue small UAVs (drones) as a hobby, certainly deserve an opportunity to pursue using one. Unfortunately for everyone, no one seems interested in making the laws and regulations that would make this a non-issue.

We should have a system in place so that the OP would have known exactly where, when and why he can and can't operate his drone before he was able to buy. Everyone acts like this is is an unprecedented advancement in technology and no model for regulating it, but I fail to see how it is all that different than the invention of the automobile. The parallels are pretty striking: Both started as un-regulated expensive play things that became generally hated by the public as they became more mainstream. Back then people hated automobiles because they were loud, different, and, yes, entitled morons felt they could do whatever they wanted with one. Sound familiar?

So if we all want to make this better, there is a clear solution: Education, licensing, insurance along with established rules and consequences for not following them. Require it for anything larger than those little DJI Spark UAVs. People may not like their hobby being regulated, but you have to do the same things if you want to operate a manned aircraft. You have to get a special license and insurance if you want to ride a motorcycle as a hobby. Why should a drone be different? I've never understood the logic against this position. It's a matter of public good/safety.

I should mention I say this as a current owner of a Mavic Pro and someone that built their own DJI F550 hexacopter as their first drone. I enjoy this hobby as much as the next guy and yet I would feel safer and more confident knowing there was clear, reasonable regulation of what I can and can not do with a UAV. If everyone had a license that could be revoked or fined and also had to invest in insurance, they would be very inclined to fly responsibly.

With that rant over, time to more directly answer the OP:

I highly recommend researching the area first and planning your flights carefully. Don't just show up and expect to be able to fly because the DJI map says you can. Use an app called Airmap, it tends to be much more comprehensive.

Also, the Mavic takes time to setup and be ready to fly, it isn't the best for spontaneous photography. Having a plan of what you want to capture makes sure you get what you want and minimizes and disturbance caused by having you drone in the air longer than needed.

Consider insurance. There is an app/service called Verifly that allows you to purchase insurance per flight. Typically it is about $10/hr for $1m USD in coverage and their terms say they still cover you if you inadvertently break any federal rules and regulations

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Plenty of valid points on both sides that really need to be carefully considered. As more people acquire drones the more problems there are going to be.

People certainly deserve the courtesy of a sense of reasonable privacy and general safety. People that want to pursue small UAVs (drones) as a hobby, certainly deserve an opportunity to pursue using one. Unfortunately for everyone, no one seems interested in making the laws and regulations that would make this a non-issue.

We should have a system in place so that the OP would have known exactly where, when and why he can and can't opperate his drone before he was able to buy. Everyone acts like this is is an unprecedented advancement in technology and no model for regulating it, but I fail to see how it is all that different than the invention of the automobile. The parralels are pretty striking: Both started as un-regulated expensive play things that became generally hated by the public as they became more mainstream. Back then people hated automobiles because they were loud, different, and, yes, entitled morons felt they could do whatever they wanted with one. Sound familiar?

So if we all want to make this better, there is a clear solution: Education, licensing, insurance along with established rules and consequences for not following them. Require it for anything larger than those little DJI Spark UAVs. People may not like their hobby being regulated, but you have to do the same things if you want to opperate a manned aircraft. You have to get a special license and insurance if you want to ride a motorcycle as a hobby. Why should a drone be different? I've never understood the logic against this position. It's a matter of public good/safety.

I should mention I say this as a current owner of a Mavic Pro and someone that built their own DJI F550 hexacopter as their first drone. I enjoy this hobby as much as the next guy and yet I would feel safer and more confident knowing there was clear, reasonable regulation of what I can and can not do with a UAV. If everyome had a license that could be revoked or fined and also had to invest in insurance, they would be very inclined to fly responsibly.

With that rant over, time to more directly answer the OP:

I highly recommend researching the area first and planning your flights carefully. Don't just show up and expect to be able to fly because the DJI map says you can. Use an app called Airmap, it tends to be much more comprehensive.

Also, the Mavic takes time to setup and be ready to fly, it isn't the best for spontaneous photography. Having a plan of what you want to capture makes sure you get what you want and minimizes and disturbance caused by having you drone in the air longer than needed.

Consider insurance. There is an app/service called Verifly that allows you to purchase insurance per flight. Typically it is about $10/hr for $1m USD in coverage and their terms say they still cover you if you inadvertently break any federal rules and rgulatioms

That is a very good, sound, sensible, well argued post, the first from a drone owner that is both reasonable and respectful of the concerns raised by those who dislike - or question - the use of drones, while allowing for the use of what could well be transformational technology in mutually agreed, controlled and regulated settings and circumstances.

Plus some excellent advice for the OP.

Both @bunnspecial and @Apple fanboy are keen photographers - and, I was as well.

Actually, I used to do a fair bit of street and urban photography some years ago, especially when travelling abroad; yes, you can get good shots, in variety of settings, but you need to be aware of - and respectful of - the possibilities and limitations of your environment and the inhabitants (human and other) of that environment when taking photographs.

The same applies to the use of drones.

 

[LizKat]

Pandora's unboxings are apparently endless. So far Earth has managed to survive them. Drones could be one of the terminal experiments though. They're making them the size of insects now.

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Of course, I'm not saying that I wouldn't respect people's "privacy" in public but at the same time, they are in public and to say that a drone might annoy someone, well I don't know what to say to that. What is there to annoy someone if the drone is taking off and has nothing to do with the person next to you? Maybe a little bit of a buzz? I don't get it.

As soon as someone puts "privacy" in quotes, even when addressing the issue of how much of it there is in a public space, I have to will myself to keep reading. I agree you don't "get it."

 

[Lioness~]

Two non-swedes were arrested for flying drones over Drottningholms Royal Castle yesterday.
The castle is protected, so it’s even illegal to peek at our Royals, at least while they are at their castles

Sorry didn’t find any English translated article. Could possibly ask google to translate for the interested reader. Might spread soon, pretty new.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/...p-tva-efter-dronarflygning-over-drottningholm

 

[Gutwrench]

I got a good suggestion. A really good one.
If I can't shoot the da** drone down, I can always buy a faster defending drone and run into the ass*** in a kamikaze way. Let's the drone war begin

This is on a pure speculative level, but I enjoy the planning
I think growing the knowledge regarding this will strengthen my energy-field against it.
Doubt that the lil peeking sh** will return. That’s my stance

Lol...ok, I’ve waited patiently for you to find this on your own....

What are you trying to keep yourself from buying?

 

[Lioness~]

Lol...ok, I’ve waited patiently for you to find this on your own....

What are you trying to keep yourself from buying?

You’re just such a bad boy.
Ok, a patient bad boy, I give you that