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Myth and Myth 2 are playable through Project Magma
There was hope when Jobs brought Doom's lead dev' onto the Mac stage back in the day of blue and white G3 towers with DECENT gpus.
Then Apple didn't follow through.
Shame.
That's always been their problem. 'Follow through.' Well, that and greeeeEED.
Azrael.
I predict MacOS will continue not supporting the industry-leading Nvidia GPUs, in the coming year on their newest OS. Lets see if my prediction fails.
Cheers, mate. Will investigate.
I always thought Marathon was a better game than Doom. Far more thoughtful and atmopheric.
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Yes. I suggest we don't hold our breath.
Azrael.
I'm a big fan of VR, but not a fan of being tethered to a computer (or PS4 for that matter), nor am I a fan of needing to spend gobs of money for the privilege. I'm also not a heavy-gamer, so take my comments for what they're worth, but I have a PS4/PSVR which I bought specifically to play VR games, and even paid extra for some external things (e.g., steering wheel), and the quality was great, but I didn't like being tethered to the box, and the cost to play was expensive.
I then bought an Oculus Go, which had a different set of weaknesses (e.g., game quality, lack of 6DoF), but the price and portability were great.
I then bought an Oculus Quest, which was a step up from the Go, but still lacking, IMO, in terms of game quality. Still, that's the one I primarily use.
I'm hoping that Apple's AR work isn't limited to just AR, and that they may venture into portable (ARM-based) VR gaming, as I think portable and lower-cost hardware is where the big VR market will be. If Apple doesn't do it, I could see Nintendo and/or Sony pushing into that sector. Meanwhile, Oculus will continue to improve, but I'm not a fan of Facebook, don't trust them, and think that Sony, Nintendo, or even Apple, could do a better job of getting more and better quality games onto a portable headset.
I then bought an Oculus Go, which had a different set of weaknesses (e.g., game quality, lack of 6DoF), but the price and portability were great.
I then bought an Oculus Quest, which was a step up from the Go, but still lacking, IMO, in terms of game quality. Still, that's the one I primarily use.
I'm hoping that Apple's AR work isn't limited to just AR, and that they may venture into portable (ARM-based) VR gaming, as I think portable and lower-cost hardware is where the big VR market will be. If Apple doesn't do it, I could see Nintendo and/or Sony pushing into that sector. Meanwhile, Oculus will continue to improve, but I'm not a fan of Facebook, don't trust them, and think that Sony, Nintendo, or even Apple, could do a better job of getting more and better quality games onto a portable headset.
I've heard plenty of rumours of Mac moving to Arm, but zero rumours of Mac moving to iPadOS.
MacOS is the Windows phone of the PC world. Now that I think about it, Apple moving to ARM wouldn’t even matter at all.
Heh. Ouch.
I think Mac gaming will become a thing through osmosis in the same what iOS did. The two are linked. But until we get that Mac ARM cpu...we'll have to take a rain check on that prophecy of mine.
In the meantime, we're waiting for decent desktop release this year. iMac anyone?
(or build a Hack' which I'm on the verge of doing.)
Azrael.
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I think this is by design.
Apple is focusing their efforts on i(Pad)OS and the gaming experience is (relatively) rich there.
It's been so long since the Mac was a viable gaming platform that neither users nor developers care anymore, I think.
As Stella said, those that wanted to game with a capital "G" already have a PC or console for that.
With "standard" computing relegated to the iPad and iPhone, the Mac is moving (or already has moved) towards an even more niche "creative" and "work" platform.
However, I don't think it's going anywhere, yet, because the iPad is not there, YET.
If that were true, why do I get half the framerate in WoW (which has a really well maintained Metal renderer) on macOS than Windows, on the exact same hardware?
That's a fair point.
But I'd guess it's still not optimised for Mac as it is for Windows. Mac users can often get 'teh bugs' on WoW updates and it's not like they have alot of hardware targets on the Mac.
Maybe their single Mac dev' at Blizzard can't cope.
Azrael.
Move to Apple ARM Processors in 3... 2... 1...
I think we'll actually see a price drop to Macs when they do to "sweeten the pot"...
If you think about it The Apple TV is already their nano computer. They just have to shove an A14 into it and add mouse/keyboard support (which iOS now has) and productivity apps to it...
I think we'll actually see a price drop to Macs when they do to "sweeten the pot"...
If you think about it The Apple TV is already their nano computer. They just have to shove an A14 into it and add mouse/keyboard support (which iOS now has) and productivity apps to it...
This is somewhat understandable for Valve. VR gaming is a niche market even on Windows, requires a VR headset and a strong GPU.
You cannot be serious! Apple has been known to not support gaming whatsoever. Their GPU selection in macs was often nonexistant, they crippled developers with some of their decision and historically they were not really for gaming at all. They seem to support gaming on iToys but macOS had always disadvantage that often resulted in developers not wanting to bother as the wasted resources were not worth it.
So, its Apple to blame here, not the haters.
Maybe you weren't around for long, maybe you are too much of a fan or maybe you just don't want to be constructive.
You talk about market share but why would a gamer buy a mac with bad gpu in the first place? Market share was created also by able. There simply (and still isn't) a good gaming option on Mac so how can you defend apple is beyond me.
So, its Apple to blame here, not the haters.
Maybe you weren't around for long, maybe you are too much of a fan or maybe you just don't want to be constructive.
You talk about market share but why would a gamer buy a mac with bad gpu in the first place? Market share was created also by able. There simply (and still isn't) a good gaming option on Mac so how can you defend apple is beyond me.
Yup and for most of the Mac product line, the GPU is rather weak.
I think Apple Arcade (whilst 'mainstream' gaming or 'casual' gaming) is mainstream focused...I'd vouch, sooner or later, that will bring the Mac kicking and screaming along...gradually and cascade around the time the Mac ARM enigma is revealed. Then the order of magnitude floodgates will transform 'Mac' gaming as we know it.
Mac gaming has an apologetic past but a promising future. Apple made quite the statement with the Apple Arcade subs service. I don't think it has fully crept into the Mac gaming subconscious because it doesn't have Doom Eternal blah meh etc.
By the time PS5 and Xbox whatever hit the market, PCs of similar power won't be far behind. Apple aren't going to ship an ARM Mac that won't be in that ball park. iOS is ahead of Mac on many fronts. And we'll see the full blossom of that starting next year.
Adobe, M$ and Valve won't matter.
It's the 1st time they made me blink with Apple Arcade at Mac gaming since Jobs brought McCarmack on stage for the Blue and White Towers.
Again. 'Waiting.'
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That's what John McEnroe said.
Sound post. Agree with it.
No decent towers under 2k, no decent gpus...no decent desktop value. They've ridden the upsell for powerful Macs into obsolescence price brackets.
A 1 trillion company can't manage 1 gaming tower for a fair price with a decent 5700XT.
We can't get a 5700XT on a Mac Mini, iMac...
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Apple Macs have got worse for GPU.
Azrael.
Mac gaming has an apologetic past but a promising future. Apple made quite the statement with the Apple Arcade subs service. I don't think it has fully crept into the Mac gaming subconscious because it doesn't have Doom Eternal blah meh etc.
By the time PS5 and Xbox whatever hit the market, PCs of similar power won't be far behind. Apple aren't going to ship an ARM Mac that won't be in that ball park. iOS is ahead of Mac on many fronts. And we'll see the full blossom of that starting next year.
Adobe, M$ and Valve won't matter.
It's the 1st time they made me blink with Apple Arcade at Mac gaming since Jobs brought McCarmack on stage for the Blue and White Towers.
Again. 'Waiting.'
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That's what John McEnroe said.
Sound post. Agree with it.
No decent towers under 2k, no decent gpus...no decent desktop value. They've ridden the upsell for powerful Macs into obsolescence price brackets.
A 1 trillion company can't manage 1 gaming tower for a fair price with a decent 5700XT.
We can't get a 5700XT on a Mac Mini, iMac...
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Apple Macs have got worse for GPU.
Azrael.
Right? What do you need a strong GPU for on a Mac? It’s not like you’re doing any VR gaming. 😂
The 16" MBP and the Mac Pro have decent GPUs, the rest of the product line is rather pathetic.
Yeah, but now you have to pay £2k plus for a 16 inch Macbook?
And 6k Mac Pro to get a low end 580.
And the 6k Mac Pro is the only 'desktop' that offers the 5700XT which has been out ages. No mainstream Mac desktop has it. And it's only a mid range card.
So, pathetic, yes.
Azrael.
When a huge company says its going to support Linux but not MacOS, that says a lot
My point is that there are Macs that have decent GPUs, Whether you want to pay for that is a personal question
Linux has decent steam support, and its quite popular
Dunno...for Apple's boasting about the venerable creative platform and the extortionate prices they charge?
Maybe if I pay 6k for a 'tower' I'd expect a gpu.
or...if I payed £2k for a high end Mac I'd expect a gpu in it as well.
580s in a machine costing £2k is a joke.
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Yeah. Depends if you're insane or not.
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I think this has alot to do with Mac gaming having a future.
But that future is not now.
Azrael.
That's why games released a few years ago no longer run on Mac, seeing as Apple broke their OS for the majority of games....