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Valve Drops Mac Support for SteamVR Less Than Three Years After WWDC 2017 Announcement
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They did. But whilst I don't like subs services. Apple Arcade and the Mac ARM indicate that Apple no longer wish to support 2nd rate ports or legacy code. And that Mac gaming has a brighter future on the horizon.
Better that than the utter 2nd rate apology that it was.
I got burned during the Adobe PPC to Intel transition...and when Apple suffocated the PPC legacy compat' in its crib.
Azrael.
Makes sense. I'm a huge fan of Macs but I use a PC for VR. I spent around $1k for the parts for the PC. I'd have to pay at least several times more to get a Mac with a gpu that would run the games as good as an RX 5700 XT. Even if I purchased an eGPU enclosure I'd still have to deal with the smaller number of supported games.
Here's why gaming sucks on Mac, and likely always will. Because for decades now, maybe 5-10% of all the PC games available on earth are actually available on Mac. Mac gamers are by far the minority out there. Far less than PC, console, and even Linux. Only platforms like Amiga or BSD have less. It's just never been an important part of Mac culture.
Any Mac user that wants to do serious gaming needs a Windows 10 system. And running a VM is just not the same thing, and many games won't run in a VM anyway.
Any Mac user that wants to do serious gaming needs a Windows 10 system. And running a VM is just not the same thing, and many games won't run in a VM anyway.
incorrect, more specifically: it's pathetic. even installing BootCamp is tragic since they don't just allow Windows to install AMD's latest drivers, instead they have to be signed by Apple. thank goodness for bootcampdrivers.com and his dedication to keeping the platform up-to-date.
mmmm no. does everything become terrible because it does not support VR?
that was rhetorical, don't answer it.
my MBP cannot support VR, but i dont seek it out for that purpose. nor really would anyone's iMac, and sadly even a suped up Mac Pro. absolutely none of these systems are purpose-built for gaming at the tier of VR.
if you cared *that* much to complain *this* much, you would have built your own PC, or sourced a reputable pre-built.
i seek out my PC for gaming, i do not seek out the platform that has proven for years that it is not suitable for the *best* experience for gaming. steam crossplay is satisfactory enough when im not at my desktop
The point is maflynn, is that you'll need very deep pockets to get access to common PC components.
We can't say, with a straight face, that most of the Mac market has access to decent gpus.
And that's why mac gaming has been an apology for some time.
Apple also has their own way of working. It limits access to better value. See Radeon 5700XT. Ryzen. Or performance on GPU. See Nvidia.
The last time Apple's Mac had any hope was when Jobs was on stage with Doom's creator.
That was a long time ago.
Valve pulling their support doesn't surprise me.
When politics gets in the way of providing customers with a better deal.
And why, when Tim Cook says Apple attempts to give customers the best product for the best price I stretch credulity to take that seriously.
Azrael.
...but then MacOS is the way it is because Apple haven't clung to backwards compatibility the way Windows has. They've changed CPU architecture twice (or more if you count 6502 to 68k* and x86-32 to x86-64) and switched to a completely fresh OS once/twice, in all cases dumping backwards compatibility/emulation as soon as feasible. The transition from DOS/Windows to Windows NT/2000/XP took almost a decade, and Windows still comes in 32 and 64 bit flavours - the former still runs ancient binaries from the 90s. A lot of the security problems with WinXP (at the height of the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC *cough* era) were because XP still defaulted to running everything with Admin privileges 'cos proper security - which XP could provide - would either break legacy apps or bombard users with "Allow this action?" prompts until they started ignoring them...
(*Not so stupid to count the Apple II here since DOS/Windows started out in 1981 as a 16-bit clone of the 8 bit CP/M OS and the ease of porting CP/M software was a "thing" with the PC. Two words: Drive. Letters.)
Chicken: meet egg.
Apple have a leading gaming platform: it is called "iPhone".
There is a lot of silly bashing on Mac for not shipping with a strong GPU by default. Most Dells don’t ship with a strong GPU either.
Most people don’t need a strong GPU, it would be a waste of money to pay extra for one. On a laptop it would also hurt your battery life.
If you do need a decent GPU but you didn’t buy a Mac with one, you can just add an eGPU like I did. I picked up a Razer Core X enclosure for $200 on eBay, a Vega 56 on eBay for $200, stuck the GPU in the case and plugged it into my MacBook Pro. Couldn’t be easier.
Most people don’t need a strong GPU, it would be a waste of money to pay extra for one. On a laptop it would also hurt your battery life.
If you do need a decent GPU but you didn’t buy a Mac with one, you can just add an eGPU like I did. I picked up a Razer Core X enclosure for $200 on eBay, a Vega 56 on eBay for $200, stuck the GPU in the case and plugged it into my MacBook Pro. Couldn’t be easier.
Most likely through osmosis.
The best chance is when Mac ARM arrives. iOS compatibility will start to open the flood gates.
Azrael.
Uhm no, Metal is far behind DirectX and Vulcan in terms of feature support. High-end GPUs are non-existent on Macs, especially now that NVIDIA and Apple are both being childish and not working together anymore.
Also, removing OpenGL (which is how all games outside of the MAS run), is a pretty bad move, and there were tons of games on steam that used to be available for Mac, except they were all removed following the release of Catalina, thanks to the removal of 32-bit support (having 32-bit support does not, in any way, make your system slower, larger, or less secure. It does literally nothing and there is no reason beyond Apple's own ego their odd need to make newer OSes and machines less useful than before).
it seems you never got maflynn point...and, again nobody asking for your toxic talking about mac, or pc or anything...
People just dont care, people buy what they need and what they can afford, learn how business works
Blizzard as far as i know, its not so great now, made a lot of mistakes, but, i think they have 80% of their games supporting macOS, and even metal
i dont think that even this is true. DirectX is miles ahead of Metal from everything ive seen and tried. macOS just doesnt seem to let apps control the screen in the same way that games on windows can
Every 3 or 4 years Apple seems to give Mac gaming a notion at WWDC, but before the event is over they completely forget about it. I don’t get it. If Apple would’ve been serious about Mac gaming the Mac marketshare would be way bigger in the PC market. Aside from Apple’s entry price point, not being able to properly game on it is by far the biggest complaint from people that potentially want to buy a Mac for the last 20 years.
very true, but again metal is very new compared to directX that has decades of development
thought that about ten years ago, when gaming on iOS took off. but it‘s been downhill since then - manifesting in generic and mostly superficial apple arcade. some of the best iOS games are years old and are ports of even older pc-games. at least we finally got decent game-controller support with ios13 support of the ps4/xbox controller. before that, even the „best“ mfi-controllers were just „meh“.
and, don‘t call me Shirley.
I don't know why so many get so bent out of shape any time this topic comes up. Macs have never been good for gaming and never will be. Just look at Apple's latest earnings. Macs represent a small portion of their review and I'd bet only about 1% of Mac buyers care about playing games that would normally require at least a decent gaming PC. From a business standpoint, they have no incentive to make gaming better and gaming companies have no incentive to target Macs. The opportunity cost of making gaming on a Mac better is too high; they're better off putting that money towards iPhones, services, wearables, etc.
You want to game? Great, go build a PC or buy a console. You're upset that your $3,000+ Mac sucks for gaming? You should have considered that before buying a Mac.
You want to game? Great, go build a PC or buy a console. You're upset that your $3,000+ Mac sucks for gaming? You should have considered that before buying a Mac.
I don't blame them. I finally gave up and got a gaming PC.