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Valve Ordered to Give Apple Information on 436 Steam Games As Part of Epic Games Legal Case
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Valve should tell the court to stick their mandate where the sun don't shine. I want to see what enforcement actions the court is able to take against Valve. I don't see how any company can demand another company hand over any of their sales data, unless they're directly involved in the court case.
If Valve isn't involved, they should just keep on doing business and ignore the data demand.
Screw Apple, Epic, and the judge.
I hope you take a toothbrush to court with you when you tell the judge that your client won’t comply with the court order, counselor.
Simply because that would make the axe they’re attempting to grid FAR smaller. There are SO many ways to avoid a legal battle over this BUT it’s a battle they needed to put in place and try to win. They are likely already aware they won’t win (because they knows any ruling would apply to them such that enterprising companies could, using this ruling, force them to allow a store within THEIR store, something they don’t want). Best I can figure, they just wanted a PR battle which is also not going well for them.
But Valve's monetization strategy was forced to change from a raw 30% cut to a 20% cut. This was heavily documented. A lot of new games did indeed launch at a lower price point on Epic Games Store. There's no question pricing was indeed impacted by Epic Games Store bringing legitimate competition.
Well then you are going to jail, or you are paying fines until you show up as ordered.
Believe it or not, you saying so is not evidence. Whereas the data gotten from Valve is. So, apple gets the data, and then we see what the data says.
You don’t have to agree since it’s perfectly in Apples right to get that data and Valve can’t ignore a subpoena. They can send a Bill to Apple to pay, which they will, and once Apple wins Epic will pay back Apple.
Well, you are a no one, so who cares. But Valve can’t ignore it and they would be fined daily by the court if not jailed. They will be personally served with an appearance subpoena and if “they” don’t show, well, it’s not good. I’ve seen people fined and jailed for not producing simple documents.
That are not a party in this case and can’t just randomly issue out a subpoena. No one would accept it with out a case number, court date etc.
Epic has made a claim that allowing another store with lower commissions will produce lower prices for consumers. We have a very specific test case, where we can see if that is true. Exactly how is Apple’s request that their expert witnesses see this data a terrible business practice?
Is it just that everything Apple does is terrible and that they should just agree to give Epic their own store within the App Store or is there some actual logic behind your position?
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Super easy to make statements like that given that you are not admitted to the Bar and have nothing actually at stake.
wait, you said apple don't get to see the Valve data and now you say apple gets the data?
Apple’s outside attorneys (who are not employed by Apple) get the data. Don’t be pedantic. Apple, itself, does not get any of it.
I don’t think Apple started the 30% cut. That 70/30 split has sorta been the going rate for distribution since the 70’s.
They didn't. Online stores existed well before the iPhone existed.
But Epic fans don't understand this, and 30% isn't that big of a cut for what Apple does. Retailers mark up **** far more everyday but no one cares.
I'm no Epic fan, but it's a rare retailer that gets the circa 70% profit margin Apple does on its services.
And I would care about that margin quite a bit if there were only two stores in town and no others were allowed to open.
In resume: Epic want to be able to create their own online stores in devices that can reach people's hand so that people can have a choice from which store they want to buy from.
While Apple want to keep MONOPOLY of the stores on the devices they own.
Look, it doesn't take a genius to realize what is going on. Internet should be a free place and anyone carrying a device that can connect to internet should be able to buy what they want from WHERE they want in the internet.
I totally support Epic in this case.
I will always support free pathing, free market and free will.
While Apple want to keep MONOPOLY of the stores on the devices they own.
Look, it doesn't take a genius to realize what is going on. Internet should be a free place and anyone carrying a device that can connect to internet should be able to buy what they want from WHERE they want in the internet.
I totally support Epic in this case.
I will always support free pathing, free market and free will.
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Let's be real:
Epic Games proposal is fair.
Apple employees are just playing their role in trying to defend "their territory" while trying to get a bonus from it (such as getting data from other companies in the process).
If you were an Apple employee and had so many investors on your neck, you would feel forced to do the same. You don't want to anger people or make they think you don't "defend" "what you have". No matter if it is fair or not.
But it doesn't mean Apple should win this. It is just all business in the end.
Epic Games proposal is fair.
Apple employees are just playing their role in trying to defend "their territory" while trying to get a bonus from it (such as getting data from other companies in the process).
If you were an Apple employee and had so many investors on your neck, you would feel forced to do the same. You don't want to anger people or make they think you don't "defend" "what you have". No matter if it is fair or not.
But it doesn't mean Apple should win this. It is just all business in the end.
It wasn’t obvious from the article that this was the case. That’s what stemmed the argument.