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Various Phones Dropping Bars While Being Held (Videos of Each)
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jb007clone said:
I think this thread achieves quite a bit. I haven't seen any other smartphones with internal antenna that showed attenuation so for me this thread is informative since he did all the hard work to gather it all.
Sure people with issues are still going to have issues because they live in an area with crappy AT&T service. Yes, Apple decided to design the phone with external antenna and there may be some shortfalls from that design; however, people have also shown that it actually improved signals in areas that were challenging for previous iPhone models. So I believe their design decision was in pursuit of better performing phone as well as aesthetics. I'm sure this would've been less of an issue if it was on Verizon network with stronger/better coverage so people need to just get over it and return their phones if it doesn't work in their service areas or cover it up with a case. This is not a design flaw, but a weakness in the new design that allows signals to be dropped more readily.
This thread makes perfect sense. Verizon, HTC, and all apple haters are all pointing fingers at IP4 like their phone don't have this issue. Give me a break!
If it's a phone commonality, why would Apple need to announce that they are working on a software fix to address displayed signal bars? They already said it happens to all phones, so if that's the case, why don't they just stick with that, they don't need to patch anything at all?
People, you must get this through your stupid stupid heads.
Apple has NOT admitted a RECEPTION issue. Only a software issue where the bars don't display the reception correctly. It's a HUGE difference.
You just happen to have crap reception. Nothing Apple can do or WILL do, and they shouldn't have to.
This issue is so blown out of proportion it's absolutely insane.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2004...iphone_4_signal_woes_overblown.html?tk=hp_blg
Read that and then send that expert an email saying that same statement.
I think the person in utter bliss here is you.
I've come to realize that they will never give up this endless tirade of overblown nonsense. Yes, I do realize that some phones have this issue. Heck, I can make it happen when I am in my apartment but thats the only place that I have been able to do so.
I have come to the realization that this is something most phones can replicate if you happen to find the sweet spot. Simple as that.
I have come to the realization that this is something most phones can replicate if you happen to find the sweet spot. Simple as that.
Samsung Galaxy S has more serious antenna issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeDe3SgrzvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeDe3SgrzvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg
And I'm supposed to give a flying **** what a blogger says? lol, no
Accept it or not, when my iPhone's antennas get connected by a finger, palm, penny, paperclip, soda can, you name it, it stops working. You're just so high and mighty you don't realize there is a major flaw with the antenna layout.
No one here should give a flying **** what YOU have to say.
The FACT is it's a NON issue and all phones are affected by it.
Return the phone or get over yourself.
Show me a location where I can touch my BlackBerry, or any device for that matter, with a penny and it stops working.
lol, non-issue, drink that koolaid
This whole thread was started with links to newer Android phones showing this similar issue.
Someone else posted links to a Samsung phone above.
I'm not gonna go out of my way to show you MORE when you entered this thread with all the relevant information. Unfortunately you can't get it through your thick skull that this is a non issue.
AND the link I posted above was to an article with the president of an Antenna company saying that this is a non issue. It wasn't some moron blogger who thinks they know what they're talking about.
Although I'm sure you'd love to link me to some Gizmodo articles
Get over yourself. The phone's fine.
Covering an antenna != grounding an antenna. Pay attention.
Great, too bad it's completely irrelevant to grounding antennas.
What you don't seem to understand is that this issue isn't related to gripping... it's related to bridging antennas. All phones suffer antenna attenuation when the antenna is covered, this has been known since the beginning of electromagnetic research.
Hey look, a guy says there isn't a problem! It must be true!
Although I'm sure you'd love to link me to some Gizmodo articles
I don't read Gizmodo, strawman more? Thanks!
Your opinion is irrelevant to reality.
Considering you're not an expert on this and there is SO MUCH proof in this thread alone that external or internal antennas don't MATTER, they ALL lose a lot of signal when held AND the link above has an ACTUAL expert saying it's a non issue, forgive me when I say you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Unfortunately there's too much proof against you. If this WERE about just grounding an antenna, this issue would affect EVERYONE regardless of signal strength. It doesn't. The antenna's fine.
In fact, it works like all the other phones' antennas
That's good news! Maybe you should be happy about this instead of pretending you're outraged.Yep and it loses cellular connectivity when I touch it with one finger.
I'll make a video.
Billy Mays said:
Let me ask you, what's the difference between grounding the antenna and losing connectivity due to attenuation? I don't personally own an iPhone 4 (I still have 3GS), although desperately looking for one. While I was playing with my boss's iPhone 4, I couldn't get it to completely drop the signal with the death grip or finger on the weak point. It would go from 5 bars to 2 or 1 bar, but never completely drop 3G. Also if I move closer to the window/door, I couldn't get it to drop at all. So if it's grounding the antenna, wouldn't it be independent on the signal strength and drop 3G?
From the tests that I have done, the end result you get whether your tightly grip the phone (AKA blocking the antenna) or ground the antenna (connecting the antennas with a finger, your palm, paper clip, ect) you will always lose 20-30 dBm. The only difference is it takes a large grip to block the antenna beyond repair (this goes for every phone with an antenna, see the original post). When you touch the two antennas with one finger it will instantly drop more than 25 dBm. That is the result of poor engineering, not general antenna attenuation that all cellular devices fall victim to. The issues are very different yet people don't see the notice.