I would keep reporting problems. Maybe theyll boost your tower.
I couldnt be happier. My iPhone was practically unusable in my home. I had to stand outside or at a window to get reception before.
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I would keep reporting problems. Maybe theyll boost your tower.
I couldnt be happier. My iPhone was practically unusable in my home. I had to stand outside or at a window to get reception before.
Your understanding is correct, in a way. With CDMA, there is "always room for one more." i.e. if the network is up to capacity and someone will try to make a call, the call will go through, but at the expense of voice quality to everyone on that cell site. That is why sometimes you hear someone sound like a robot (that and when they are going out of a service area). Of course this is always YMMV, but that's the general principle of CDMA.
Not the amount of money that still can be made - There is a market oppurtunity for the iPhone to come to Verizon.
...and I am talking about a lot of dough!
It seems as if American consumers have been deliberately lead into thinking that going to a carrier store and complaining to the helpless CSR's will get you satisfaction. The CSR's do not have the authority to fix your problems and usually have to call on your behalf to technical support/customer service at the mothership anyway. If you have an actual hardware failure, go to the store. Otherwise, call your carrier.
You are much better off calling AT&T directly, explaining your situation and getting them to try the refresh of your account settings, reset your network settings on the iPhone and trying to make calls. It worked for me in Canada and it might work for you.
Don't swear or even give them any drama when you call the help line. Save the drama for your local theatre auditions. They are not to blame for your problem and are simply doing their job to serve you as best as they can.
You are much better off calling AT&T directly, explaining your situation and getting them to try the refresh of your account settings, reset your network settings on the iPhone and trying to make calls. It worked for me in Canada and it might work for you.
Don't swear or even give them any drama when you call the help line. Save the drama for your local theatre auditions. They are not to blame for your problem and are simply doing their job to serve you as best as they can.
So basically (by your words above) Apple would have to do the one thing have NEVER done...bend for another company?? Building a CDMA version of the iPhone abandons a world wide customer not to mention would piss off A LOT of 3Gs owners that are tired of their AT&T service. In order to move to the new Verizon carrier, they would have to purchase a new iPhone. I doubt Apple would create that type of fiasco for their customers.
Doesn't really matter to me though. I am one of the few that really has no problems with AT&T. I live in a little town just outside of Indianapolis and we don't have 3G coverage here. I keep 4-5 bars in town and pick up 3G just outside of town. Drive 25 minutes north and the nearest towns are city wide Wi-Fi. I have dropped one call in the time I have owned an iPhone (currently a 3G upgraded from the original iPhone purchased in Oct 07). I have a small business & 5 kids so I do a lot of talking.
There will never be a CDMA version of the iPhone. If you want competition in the US like we now have in Canada, get Verizon and Sprint customers to threaten to cancel their contracts if those carriers do not get off their arses and do what CDMA carriers have done in Canada. Build a better network than the incumbent GSM/HSPA network. I'm happy with my Fido service and the price point that I have for data but I am jealous of the better network Telus/Bell customers now have access to.
LTE is too far away and WiMax is an ugly kludge that only is useful for computer users with a Wimax modem. It is not an cellular network standard. Tell Sprint and Verizon to get out of the stone age. In order for the US to catch up with the rest of the world technologically, they need to implement HSPA/HSUPA right now at speeds of 21Mbps or faster. Otherwise, your country will look primitive even compared to your neighbours to the north.
LTE is too far away and WiMax is an ugly kludge that only is useful for computer users with a Wimax modem. It is not an cellular network standard. Tell Sprint and Verizon to get out of the stone age. In order for the US to catch up with the rest of the world technologically, they need to implement HSPA/HSUPA right now at speeds of 21Mbps or faster. Otherwise, your country will look primitive even compared to your neighbours to the north.
I have phones on both AT&T and Verizon. In my house my iPhone get 4 bars, 1 on my Verizon phones.
I've heard this from many Verizon users on the East Coast, all of who claim to have 'one bar reception' in locations where AT&T's signal is four.
Apparently, in regard to the span of Verizon's infamous map, 'coverage' seems to be assessed independently of signal strength.
Perhaps, there ought to be 'A Map for That.'
Mac vs. PC are two completely different subjects. That's Company vs. Company.
AT&T vs Verizon is Carrier+Network+Speed+ etc.
Those two are wayyyyy too different.
At&T and verizon are both companies. In Mac vs. PC commercials they compare aspects such as ease of use, customer support etc. In these commercials they compare 3G range and network reliability. Again, pointing out your competitors flaws, just as the Mac vs. PC commercials do, and just as these commercials do, is competition straight out.
Yes, CDMA radios allow more users and more bandwidth than TDMA. It was well known at the beginning of mid-1990s 2G digital phone design that CDMA was going to be the primary choice for the eventual 3G air transport.
Which is exactly why GSM added a CDMA radio to get 3G capability in its phones. That's what UMTS/3G/WCDMA is... a second CDMA radio network coexisting with the original old technology GPRS/TDMA radio network.
It's also why Verizon skipped ahead and used CDMA radios from the start. This allowed them to fully deploy 3G in this large country years ago.
(Sidenote: the CDMA we're talking about here is the air protocol, not the common "CDMA" term for the total network used by Sprint and Verizon.)
They don't have to abandon GSM to get CDMA. Every other phone manufacturer has both GSM and CDMA models. In fact, I'd say it was far more likely that Apple would build a single dual mode GSM+CDMA phone. Almost all the latest Verizon smartphones are dual mode (excepting Droids).
Mostly, yes. The same goes for ATT's 3G map.
Number of bars in signal strength is almost meaningless with respect to CDMA networks such as Verizon and ATT's 3G. What counts is the usable signal to noise ratio. One bar with good cell placement is as good as four bars with poor placement and too many users per cell.
Yeah since LTE is the evolution of UMTS and obviously uses SIM cards and is a international standard. Telia already has an LTE network installed in Stockholm.
[/quote]Not every manufacturer has CDMA phones, Sony Ericsson quit producing CDMA phones and Nokia's newer and better models don't have CDMA variants.
Another problem with CDMA is that data and voice are different bands, you loose EVDO, no more data. With UMTS, even if you loose HSDPA, you can still have data as UMTS itself can received data at a reasonable rate (500 kb/s).
AT&T reception has been great for me at home and all around my city, first on a Sony phone, now iPhone. Sprint on the other hand ... I could get reception in my home in the far corner of the house if standing, if I sat down in the room the call would drop. Never tried Verizon, but Verizon has always been more costly.
Yeah since LTE is the evolution of UMTS and obviously uses SIM cards and is a international standard. Telia already has an LTE network installed in Stockholm.
Note that LTE is an "evolution" of UMTS in name only. It's got a totally different air interface and backend system. For both GSM and CDMA2000 networks, it's a coexistent system.
That's true. The point is, they've all done it before. It's not rocket science.
You're mixing terms. HSDPA is just an improvement on UMTS, just as Rev A is an improvement of EVDO.
If you lose UMTS, you fall back on EDGE. If you lose EVDO, you fall back on 1X. In either case, data flow continues.
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No, no it's not.
Pointing out your competitor's flaws isn't any more competition than trash talking between rival boxers, rival football coaches or political figureheads.
It's just petty posturing and/or mud-slinging. Nothing more.
Improving your network, service, price rates, plans, features etc in order to entice more people to sign up for your service or buy your product, on the other hand, IS competition.
Every time I read one of these things about Verizon being a better system for the iPhone I have to laugh at the comments.
I wonder if you people who tout Verizon's services realize that Apple as a phone developer is better off on AT&T.
Verizon, which is a CDMA network is only available in North America, nearly every other country in the world uses GSM. Why would you limit yourself to a carrier that offers services only in North America, when you could build your phone to the system that is available world wide.
I do agree that they should sell the phone unlocked to be able to use on any carrier (GSM carrier) though
I wonder if you people who tout Verizon's services realize that Apple as a phone developer is better off on AT&T.
Verizon, which is a CDMA network is only available in North America, nearly every other country in the world uses GSM. Why would you limit yourself to a carrier that offers services only in North America, when you could build your phone to the system that is available world wide.
I do agree that they should sell the phone unlocked to be able to use on any carrier (GSM carrier) though
I say make them wait. They had first dibs on it and refused. Now they shall suffer the wrath of not siding with Apple...for at least a couple more years!
Doubtful. I've got an iPhone and a Verizon phone and 9/10 here on the East Coast the Verizon phone has more bars and acts like it too. I've had the same experience in Washington State as well. Nobody I know has had a better experience with ATT and its predecessors.
@kdarling: I'm convinced now that you work for Verizon or Sprint spreading misinformation. UTMS uses W-CDMA as the air interface just like LTE will. Go ahead and google it yourself. LTE is an evolution of UTMS. Stop spreading FUD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-CDMA_(UMTS)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOMA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution
Please stop spreading lies. I've already corrected you on this but I suspect that you have me on ignore for some reason. Maybe someone else could quote me for truth to end this madness.
This is one of many reasons why Telus and Bell decided to go with HSPA (UTMS) before going LTE. They have access to the iPhone right now and it can be used as a fallback mode for LTE when that standard finally becomes a reality. They also have access to revenue from roaming international travellers visiting Canada right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-CDMA_(UMTS)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOMA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution
Please stop spreading lies. I've already corrected you on this but I suspect that you have me on ignore for some reason. Maybe someone else could quote me for truth to end this madness.
This is one of many reasons why Telus and Bell decided to go with HSPA (UTMS) before going LTE. They have access to the iPhone right now and it can be used as a fallback mode for LTE when that standard finally becomes a reality. They also have access to revenue from roaming international travellers visiting Canada right now.
VZW Customer Care Rep
I work for Verizon Wireless as a Customer Care Rep. I really have no idea if Verizon will be getting the iPhone, but I do get about 10 calls a day that pertain to this issue. I am constantly asked "when will Verizon get the iPhone?" and I am also constantly hung up on when I tell customers that no information has been released to me. I get many calls a day and it always seems like I get more good calls than terrible calls.
Most bad calls I get are about bill issues, most of which I am able to assist with. But rarely it seems I get calls about customers never getting reception or about slow data transmission rates. Also, Verizon does offer Visual Voicemail. It differs between handheld, where the env3 touch has a different version than some other phones.
I also feel as though Verizon would have no problem not having the Media Center or Get It Now download through V Cast, because these are not available on most Blackberry's on the Verizon Network.
Also I think one advantage would be that Asurion (Verizon insurance) would most likely be willing to offer tec (total equipment coverage) for the iphone, much as they do for the netbooks Verizon offers.
The data and voice simultaneously would not have any effect on me because I have never used this feature, and even if you are using data, the network puts priority for voice so the data would stop so that could answer the call.
Another thing is that Verizon does offer sim card slots on global ready phones so that you could use them in non cdma countrys. I feel that apple could ready the iPhone so that it could be used in this way for global use and to also be used for the Verizon network.
The only thing I see that could cause any issues is Verizon not being able to get over the iPhone not having a VZW logo
and now as I end all my calls,
"I'd like to thank you for being a valued customer, and for choosing Verizon Wireless, and you have a wonderful evening"
I work for Verizon Wireless as a Customer Care Rep. I really have no idea if Verizon will be getting the iPhone, but I do get about 10 calls a day that pertain to this issue. I am constantly asked "when will Verizon get the iPhone?" and I am also constantly hung up on when I tell customers that no information has been released to me. I get many calls a day and it always seems like I get more good calls than terrible calls.
Most bad calls I get are about bill issues, most of which I am able to assist with. But rarely it seems I get calls about customers never getting reception or about slow data transmission rates. Also, Verizon does offer Visual Voicemail. It differs between handheld, where the env3 touch has a different version than some other phones.
I also feel as though Verizon would have no problem not having the Media Center or Get It Now download through V Cast, because these are not available on most Blackberry's on the Verizon Network.
Also I think one advantage would be that Asurion (Verizon insurance) would most likely be willing to offer tec (total equipment coverage) for the iphone, much as they do for the netbooks Verizon offers.
The data and voice simultaneously would not have any effect on me because I have never used this feature, and even if you are using data, the network puts priority for voice so the data would stop so that could answer the call.
Another thing is that Verizon does offer sim card slots on global ready phones so that you could use them in non cdma countrys. I feel that apple could ready the iPhone so that it could be used in this way for global use and to also be used for the Verizon network.
The only thing I see that could cause any issues is Verizon not being able to get over the iPhone not having a VZW logo
and now as I end all my calls,
"I'd like to thank you for being a valued customer, and for choosing Verizon Wireless, and you have a wonderful evening"
@kdarling: I'm convinced now that you work for Verizon or Sprint spreading misinformation. UTMS uses W-CDMA as the air interface just like LTE will. Go ahead and google it yourself. LTE is an evolution of UTMS. Stop spreading FUD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-CDMA_(UMTS)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOMA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution
Please stop spreading lies. I've already corrected you on this but I suspect that you have me on ignore for some reason. Maybe someone else could quote me for truth to end this madness.
This is one of many reasons why Telus and Bell decided to go with HSPA (UTMS) before going LTE. They have access to the iPhone right now and it can be used as a fallback mode for LTE when that standard finally becomes a reality. They also have access to revenue from roaming international travellers visiting Canada right now.
Aren't W-CDMA and LTE GSM deriatives though?
Wrong, GSM Edge will kill the net connection and allow voice straight through. Again, not ideal, but at least you get your call.
Ok so you are saying that Verizon could handle all of the current and future iPhone users and have ZERO problems. Am I right? Well I and probably alot of other people think you are wrong cause there is really no way of knowing that at all. Yes you may have droid through Verizon but they don't have iPhone. Verizon has a fraction of droid owners compared to iPhone owners on AT&T and that will/would cause stress on any network.