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Verizon Claims Network Ready for iPhone Should Apple Choose to Strike Deal

alexhasfun28 said:
I believe iPhone is no where close to Verizon WIreless. And I don't see AT&T's contract expiring(which I really hope so.) No to Verizon, Just because the anti-iPhone ads going on, the v-cast,. Etc. It's just pure jealousy of Verizon.
:apple:
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Well, according to to you, the Mac vs. PC commercials are also pure jealousy. Pointing out your competitor's flaws isn't jealousy, it's competition.
 
jaw04005 said:
Well, I guess I have no reason to bitch at AT&T anymore. Whether it was coincidence or not, I’ve pretty been hounding AT&T’s “Mark the Spot” iPhone app with dropped call and data failure (from inside my home) reports everyday since it debuted.

As of Monday this week, I went from one to three bars INSIDE my house (with horrible call quality and many dropped calls) and around 100-150 kbit/s of 3G data to five full bars constantly INSIDE my house with 1700 kbit/s of 3G data consistently (according to SpeedTest’s iPhone app).

That’s faster than a lot of people’s DSL and cable Internet.
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Ive gotten close to twice that speed on verizon.
 
bbplayer5 said:
My Droid speed test is always 2.2 mbs...
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Not sure how you can get 2.2Mb....I thought that the theoretical limit on Verizon's CDMA is 1.4Mb. Were you on wifi?

It all depends on where you are at. Root Wireless, a new, independent network performance monitoring company not affiliated with any Wireless Carrier, just released data comparing wireless carriers in several markets including New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Chicago. The data showed AT&T's 3G network outpaced Verizon's, producing far fewer peaks and valleys in network capacity and much greater data speeds.

http://www.rootwireless.com/
 
NoExpectations said:
Not sure how you can get 2.2Mb....I thought that the theoretical limit on Verizon's CDMA is 1.4Mb. Were you on wifi?

It all depends on where you are at. Root Wireless, a new, independent network performance monitoring company not affiliated with any Wireless Carrier, just released data comparing wireless carriers in several markets including New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Chicago. The data showed AT&T's 3G network outpaced Verizon's, producing far fewer peaks and valleys in network capacity and much greater data speeds.

http://www.rootwireless.com/
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CDMA Rev A has a max around 3.4 mbs. I always score around 2.1 to 2.4 in the Allentown PA area on Verizon, 800k max on the 3Gs.
 
Unspeaked said:
What do you expect them to say?

"No, our network would totally fold under the pressure if we ever got an iPhone."

I'll believe it if/when I see it.
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my thoughts exactly.

i would welcome the opportunity for a Verizon iPhone - it's an incredible piece of hardware and that would end the whining of Verizon folks not wanting to make the switch to AT&T...
 
bbplayer5 said:
Ill speak on the Droids behalf for these

- Google on the Droid is basically like Mobile Me for iPhone... All contacts synced all the time, calendars, settings, etc. And... FREE.

- Visual voicemail is on the phone but Verizon charges 2.99 for it. Thats why most of us use Google Voice for visual voicemail which is again.. FREE.

- No, you cant access 3G while on a call with the droid unless you are on wifi. And Ive never really wanted to do this anyway so I dont care about it. Id rather have a network that works for calls (since its a phone first and foremost) than a network where I can multitask pointlessly. Not to mention... a lot of the time on my 3Gs, I cant surf the web while in a call. The network is unable to connect.
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While very nice I'll say this:

While it may be MobileMe for free, MobileMe doesn't go through your emails & etc to provide you ads. MobileMe has a better UI (though less features such as keyboard shortcuts and sharing options) and is ad-free.

I will say GV is nice but as always there is privacy concerns with Google and they don't get near the heat as Facebook when it comes to this.

As for voice and data, many people including myself, use this feature. If the iPhone is offered on Verizon in the next revision it'll be a factor in weighing my decision to switch. Just look at the the Apple ads and ask yourself if you would ever be in that position.

I'll consider switching but this is just rumor-mongering and is nothing close to concrete.
 
bbplayer5 said:
CDMA Rev A has a max around 3.4 mbs. I always score around 2.1 to 2.4 in the Allentown PA area on Verizon, 800k max on the 3Gs.
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You must be right next to a tower or something because:


http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/37/61/



EVDO, or Evolution Data Only/Evolution Data Optimized, is a 3G mobile broadband technology used by Verizon, Sprint, and Alltel that provides typical speeds of 600-1400kbps download (with bursts up to 2000kbps) and 500-800kbps upload completely wirelessly.
 
bbplayer5 said:
Google on the Droid is basically like Mobile Me for iPhone... All contacts synced all the time, calendars, settings, etc. And… FREE.
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What’s your point? Google offers all of that on the iPhone for free also via the iPhone’s built-in Microsoft ActiveSync/Exchange protocol.
 
bbplayer5 said:
Apple is smarter than what?! Verizon is a HUGE company, and the potential customers are endless. Why in gods name would they release it on t-mobile and sprint?! Sprint btw... is CDMA, so if they make it for them, they will most likely make it for Verizon.
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Smarter to make better choices at carriers by now. By what's good and not good.(It's in the comment, obviously.)
&Why?
Because both companys have better rate plans for consumers, both are better for an iPhone, and good coverage. Yeah i know Sprint is CDMA. Duh? Everybody has known that for a while man.

btw: i think someones on the Verizon network.

Can you hear me now?
 
bbplayer5 said:
Apple is smarter than what?! Verizon is a HUGE company, and the potential customers are endless. Why in gods name would they release it on t-mobile and sprint?! Sprint btw... is CDMA, so if they make it for them, they will most likely make it for Verizon.
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Saw this in a reply and had to comment. Verizon is not a large company. They are OWNED by a LARGE company. They would release on T-Mobile because it is already GSM. It would take little adjustment. It's a different story with Sprint because they're using Wi-Max. If Verizon gets the iPhone, expect T-Mobile as well because of the AT&T contract expiration.
 
str1f3 said:
Saw this in a reply and had to comment. Verizon is not a large company. They are OWNED by a LARGE company. They would release on T-Mobile because it is already GSM. It would take little adjustment. It's a different story with Sprint because they're using Wi-Max. If Verizon gets the iPhone, expect T-Mobile as well because of the AT&T contract expiration.
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Finally! someone is on the wagon with me.
Also, Verizon is a big company, but what makes it big is it's deifferent features.
Like, Wireless, Internet, and Home service.
If they're "big" of a company, why can't they support the visual voicemail.
They just like to think of themeselves smart and ignorant.
 
Not speculating here

Folks...There is reason Apple went with AT&T nothing short of Visual Voicemail and being able to simultaneously receive data and use voice. Regardless of the debate and how large the US CDMA network is it's still a step backward from GSM in terms of functionality.

Speculation:
That being said it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Apple would create a new CDMA version of the iPhone and abandon their WORLDWIDE customer base. If Verizon is touting an iPhone available on there network, it will have to be new technology (LTE, etc). However, being that LTE is as widespread as the current technologies available, they run the same risk of being targeted for network availability as they have done to AT&T as of late "there's a map for that".
 
AT&T fail

I've been an iphone user since OCT 2007 with the first gen... now on 3GS. I'm in the Raleigh NC, Metro area and have had 1-2 bar in my house and have accepted it since day one.

However, recently the degradation has become MORE than a nuisance - now I am CONSTANTLY getting:

1. Dropped calls (it'll read 4-5 bars of 3g service though)
2. Seriously delayed voice mails (1/2 hour yersterday and two experiences of the vm being recved the next day after being left!)
3. Straight to VM phone calls(no rings)
4. Complete loss of service for a 5 mile stretch down major road that normally has 5 bars the whole distance.

I completely blame AT&T.

To top off my recent frustrations... I dropped and shattered the iphone today.
F*****************K!!!!! (Imagine in a blood-curdling monkey scream voice)

I CANNOT WAIT for a new carrier option.... I would SO much love to use T-mobile. My area has awesome t-mobile (but they could ahve crappy 3g service...dont know)

Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile, AT&T - I don't care. let the market fight it out. Cut this exclusivity crap deal please, Apple.
Other than that - Happy Holidays..
 
Who cares if they're bluffing or not. Just give people an option between the two carriers for crying out loud. :mad:

...this spring, that is.
 
str1f3 said:
You must be right next to a tower or something because:

http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/37/61/

EVDO, or Evolution Data Only/Evolution Data Optimized, is a 3G mobile broadband technology used by Verizon, Sprint, and Alltel that provides typical speeds of 600-1400kbps download (with bursts up to 2000kbps) and 500-800kbps upload completely wirelessly.
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The page that you link to shows:

EVDO Rev A has a peak data rate of 3,000 kbps, but realistic speeds average around 600Kbps-1,400Kbps Download with bursts to 2.0Mbps and 500Kbps-800Kbps Upload with bursts to 1.8Mbps.

Here is a real-world speedtest done using a USB760 on Verizon's network in Dallas, Tx with a very strong signal:

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which is entirely in line with the claim. What is there about a good network that you don't understand? ;)
 
SnapMac said:
Speculation: That being said it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Apple would create a new CDMA version of the iPhone and abandon their WORLDWIDE customer base. If Verizon is touting an iPhone available on there network, it will have to be new technology (LTE, etc). However, being that LTE is as widespread as the current technologies available, they run the same risk of being targeted for network availability as they have done to AT&T as of late "there's a map for that".
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If there is a Verizon iPhone, the Qualcomm chips (at least I believe it is) that are supposed to be a hybrid chip won't be ready until 2011. It will be interesting to see what happens at the next iPhone intro. Forget about LTE because any chip that would support it, would still have to fall back to CDMA. It will take Verizon years to move LTE.

In order for Verizon to have the iPhone, there will have to be a concious effort by Apple to support the "platform".
 
AidenShaw said:
The page that you link to shows:

EVDO Rev A has a peak data rate of 3,000 kbps, but realistic speeds average around 600Kbps-1,400Kbps Download with bursts to 2.0Mbps and 500Kbps-800Kbps Upload with bursts to 1.8Mbps.

Here is a real-world speedtest done using a USB760 on Verizon's network in Dallas, Tx with a very strong signal:

363794443.png

which is entirely in line with the claim. What is there about a good network that you don't understand? ;)
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I don't question his speed and I don't know if that is the average speed as well. I live in NYC so I fully expect the speed to be slower. These are things to consider when I have an iPhone 3G. As of this moment, I would switch to Verizon just to know I'll be able to complete a call but it also concerns me about voice/data simultaneously and that GSM is a worldwide standard.
 
gan6660 said:
AT&T has a terrible network. Apple and Verizon would have both made tremendous amounts of money if they just tried harder to make a deal with each other in 2007.
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Look, I get it that you are an American and Americans tend to see their country as the centre of the universe but let's get back to reality here.

Verizon is approximately the same size as AT&T in terms of total subscribers but AT&T has a larger mix of smart phone users both because they have access to more smartphone models and because of the customer mix.Even if Verizon had access to more smartphones, they would not have more smart phone users than AT&T. CMDA network users are perfectly happy with dumb phones with texting, calling, walled garden WAP internet and MMS. They don't care about browsing the web and are perfectly happy paying 3 bucks for ringtones on their carrier's WAP store on their phone.

Then there is the other issue of the rest of the world that does not give a crap about CDMA and use GSM instead. Apple made a lot more money selling in the US on AT&T let alone how much they made selling GSM iPhones 3G/3GS worldwide than Verizon could ever provide.

You might be unhappy with your service on AT&T, assuming you even have an iPhone, but did you consider calling AT&T about your issues and talking to them like an adult? I had problems earlier today with Fido in Canada when calling with my 3GS inside my appartment and I called their technical support. The lady on the line reset my settings on their end and got me to reset my network settings. I'm now able to call on 3G again on my 3GS while at home.
 
Hmm

Until Verizon's network is capable of providing both voice AND data at the same time, they aren't ready.
If they can (which last I checked, they couldn't) then AWESOME!
Apple, DO IT... um ....just wait till after I buy a handful more stock...k? ^_^

And let the plan price-wars begin! Competition is AWESOME.
Maybe then they'll both push to upgrade their networks to be in line with...say....Japan's INSANELY FAST cell network? :p
 
djdole said:
Until Verizon's network is capable of providing both voice AND data at the same time, they aren't ready.
If they can (which last I checked, they couldn't) then AWESOME!
Apple, DO IT... um ....just wait till after I buy a handful more stock...k? ^_^

And let the plan price-wars begin! Competition is AWESOME.
Maybe then they'll both push to upgrade their networks to be in line with...say....Japan's INSANELY FAST cell network? :p
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Ha, now you're taliking fairytales! Japanese manufacturers actually cares about Japan while Americans care about their own pockets. We can't even get health care reform passed much less have any sense of nationalism.
 
junker said:
I've been an iphone user since OCT 2007 with the first gen... now on 3GS. I'm in the Raleigh NC, Metro area and have had 1-2 bar in my house and have accepted it since day one.

However, recently the degradation has become MORE than a nuisance - now I am CONSTANTLY getting:

1. Dropped calls (it'll read 4-5 bars of 3g service though)
2. Seriously delayed voice mails (1/2 hour yersterday and two experiences of the vm being recved the next day after being left!)
3. Straight to VM phone calls(no rings)
4. Complete loss of service for a 5 mile stretch down major road that normally has 5 bars the whole distance.

I completely blame AT&T.

To top off my recent frustrations... I dropped and shattered the iphone today.
F*****************K!!!!! (Imagine in a blood-curdling monkey scream voice)

I CANNOT WAIT for a new carrier option.... I would SO much love to use T-mobile. My area has awesome t-mobile (but they could ahve crappy 3g service...dont know)

Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile, AT&T - I don't care. let the market fight it out. Cut this exclusivity crap deal please, Apple.
Other than that - Happy Holidays..
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Wow. If you used that sort of language when calling AT&T, no wonder you have bad service. I used to work in technical support at my company a few years ago and so I have to tell you that if you treat people badly you will get bad service.

For 1 through 5, call AT&T calmly and tell them your situation. Ask them if they could refresh your settings on their end then turn off your iPhone and back on again. Next, go to Settings, General, Reset, Reset Network settings.

Your phone will give you a progress bar (do not panic or turn off the phone), it will then reboot automatically. Now try out your phone.

PS. You're welcome.
 
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