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Verizon Claims Network Ready for iPhone Should Apple Choose to Strike Deal

cgates7900 said:
I also feel as though Verizon would have no problem not having the Media Center or Get It Now download through V Cast, because these are not available on most Blackberry's on the Verizon Network.
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This wouldn't matter at all anyone as there is nothing in the VCast offering that isn't available in Apple's iTunes store

Also I think one advantage would be that Asurion (Verizon insurance) would most likely be willing to offer tec (total equipment coverage) for the iphone, much as they do for the netbooks Verizon offers.
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This also wouldn't matter since Apple covers all of their products through their own insurance programs.

The data and voice simultaneously would not have any effect on me because I have never used this feature, and even if you are using data, the network puts priority for voice so the data would stop so that could answer the call.
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This may not be an issue for you, but it would single handedly be why unfortunately AT&T would have to be my carrier of choice. I don't have nearly the issues most here (or on the thousands of other blogs) have with AT&T, but that doesn't mean I like them. I think they need to step their game up, but that's the case with every other carrier as well as far as I'm concerned. However, I use this feature (which really shouldn't be a feature. With today's technology it should be standard on ALL networks...period!) daily and I suspect a lot of other iPhone owners do as well. It's a deal breaker for me.

My wife is getting an iPhone at it's next release. She has been researching the medical apps she will need and want when she gets it. Currently she is a Verizon subscriber, but will making the switch to AT&T as it stands. I'm sure she would like to stick with Verizon, but she needs simultaneous voice & data as well. We've been discussing this article a bit and she stated that not having that capability is deal breaker for her as well. The geeks here don't get that all the tech talk they are spewing, matters none to the average iPhone owner...to most of us it's the little things that count!
 
SnapMac said:
Wouldn't making the iPhone a dual mode phone make the overall design a bit bulkier?
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Would at least need room for another antenna, so it might need to expand slightly in some dimension.

Not a direct comparison because the dual mode Imagio also has a TV tuner, larger screen and battery, but for example:

iPhone 3GS - 116 x 62 x 12mm - 1150mAh - 3.5" 480x320
HTC Imagio - 118 x 62 x 14mm - 1500mAh - 3.6" 800x480 +TV+removable back
 
DMann said:
within the locations of Wall Street, Grand Central Terminal, Union Square, or Madison Square Park:

iPhone beats Droid in Manhattan speed tests

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However, the Droid did fair better in Times Square, Central Park, and Rockefeller Center.

So much for 3G equality.
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The Verizon fanboys told us this is not possible. I mean you can't get a signal in the whole of New York with the iphone. :eek:
 
Abercrombieboy said:
I'd love to see some information on who has a higher dropped call rate in those areas. I know you think AT&T is perfect, but they are not.
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No this study shows that the FUD Verizon stockholders and users have been spreading is being found out. According to them, the iphone is unusable in New York. I wanna see how Verizon's so called superior network would handle if all those millions of iphone users were on it.
 
Lara F said:
If Verizon covers loss or theft (a fairly big deal in cities) then that's something Apple most certainly does NOT cover which would give me much peace of mind.
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They do. They even cover it when you drop it in the toilet. For theft you must file a police report and send that to them.

It's a $50 deductible - but i have a new phone and not a new contract!
 
Goona said:
No this study shows that the FUD Verizon stockholders and users have been spreading is being found out. According to them, the iphone is unusable in New York.
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No one's used the word "unusable", except perhaps ATT users themselves. Stop making stuff up.

If you need a really good example of who says there are problems in NYC, just read ATT's own PR firm's release from a few days ago:

"AT&T has suffered in New York and San Francisco from better than average iPhone penetration. In these two cities, AT&T has been too successful in selling the iPhone, to the point where the network has been severely strained.”
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Of course, now you'll have to claim that ATT is spreading FUD about themselves :rolleyes:
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Well AT&T's 3G network is designed to be faster so it is no surprise that it would beat Verizon in certain real world speed tests. The fact that Verizon is still running faster in some areas means that AT&T is not implementing the network properly.

I'd love to see how dropped calls compare in those areas between AT&T and Verizon. That would be interesting if anyone had data like that.
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Well from thinking from a Wifi point of view I would think that the faster the data speed the better connection is..so IF I'm right then the iPhone prob wouldn't have that many dropped calls in the areas they beat Droid.
 
kdarling said:
He also said that the iPhone, although a major factor, wasn't the primary reason. He said quick-messaging phones were.
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"AT&T has suffered in New York and San Francisco from better than average iPhone penetration. In these two cities, AT&T has been too successful in selling the iPhone, to the point where the network has been severely strained.”
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Come on John Donovan, which is the primary reason?

Pick a story, and stick with it.
 
kdarling said:
No one's used the word "unusable", except perhaps ATT users themselves. Stop making stuff up.

If you need a really good example of who says there are problems in NYC, just read ATT's own PR firm's release from a few days ago:



Of course, now you'll have to claim that ATT is spreading FUD about themselves :rolleyes:
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Of course he's admitting AT&T is having problems with all those iPhones on their network. I've been to New York and it's hard to get a good sig al there especially in Manhattan. Unlike Verizon and their fanboys who want us to believe that their network doesn't suffer such problems, AT&T admitted they have problems they are trying to fix. And yes most of the FUD is being spread by Verizon fanboys who want the iPhone on their network. The average iPhone user doesn't have such problems which is why Apple can't keep up with demand. Keep spreading FUD.
 
One issue that doesn't get discussed enough is that of towers. How is all of this promised expansion going to happen when towers are becoming more and more difficult to get ok'ed by local regulators?

Locally, busloads of people are going to the county hearings to oppose giant fake trees. Some worry about health issues. In some areas eco-vandals are actually knocking them down.

Opposition to towers is nation-wide and it seems to be getting worse all the time. You can disagree with this, but it is a problem.

Compound this by multiplying all the carriers and you are talking about forests of towers if they all were to expand coverage to every reasonably populated area.

It seems that either some other technology will have to be used, or there will have to be some sharing of the physical towers, much like trucking companies use the same highways.
 
Goona said:
Of course he's admitting AT&T is having problems with all those iPhones on their network. I've been to New York and it's hard to get a good sig al there especially in Manhattan.
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Nice to see you try to backpedal with respect to ATT having problems.

Unlike Verizon and their fanboys who want us to believe that their network doesn't suffer such problems, AT&T admitted they have problems they are trying to fix.
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Exactly. It's ATT who brought up the problems, not your fantasized Verizon fanboys.

And yes most of the FUD is being spread by Verizon fanboys who want the iPhone on their network. The average iPhone user doesn't have such problems which is why Apple can't keep up with demand. Keep spreading FUD.
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All that people have been doing on this thread, is pointing out ATT's own scatter-shot attempts to explain away problems.

First their CEO de la Vega blames their new 850Mhz usage in NYC causing 30% more traffic, since people in buildings can now actually use their phones. Then he blames data hogs and says ATT needs to get users to do less data.

Then their CTO Donovan blames overloads half on the iPhone and half on other phones, claiming their old network prediction models sucked and they don't have enough towers or backhaul. (Why the heck do they keep adding customers if they KNOW already they can't handle them?)

Then their press agency goes solo and releases a note blaming too many iPhones for causing problems in NYC, while also claiming ATT is best in class in NYC, citing unscientific reports and one they helped pay for.

No one else needs to spread any FUD... ATT is doing just great on their own.

DMann said:
Come on John Donovan, which is the primary reason?
Pick a story, and stick with it.
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Perfectly put.

From everything they've said above so far, it sounds like they simply sold too many smartphones to too many customers in certain areas, without having the network to back them up yet.
 
Goona said:
And yes most of the FUD is being spread by Verizon fanboys who want the iPhone on their network. The average iPhone user doesn't have such problems which is why Apple can't keep up with demand. Keep spreading FUD.
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First of all why would it matter to you if Verizon got the iPhone? I don't understand that. It's not like they are taking it away from AT&T and giving it to Verizon only. If Verizon gets it either it would be a CDMA model for Verizon or a dual band phone for everyone. It is not going to impact you as an AT&T customer.

As far as most iPhone customers having no problems and being very happy with their service I don't know, maybe your right, but I sure do see a LOT of complaints all over the internet about AT&T.

Goona said:
Unlike Verizon and their fanboys who want us to believe that their network doesn't suffer such problems, AT&T admitted they have problems they are trying to fix.
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Where are all these documented problems that Verizon is having? Why would Verizon admit to problems they don't have? Every cell carrier has issues on a small scale with coverage in certain areas. As company you only have to admit to problems when they are having a major effect on many customers to try and improve PR with your customers.
 
Of course it will, but...

Frisco said:
Would Visual Voice mail work on Verizon?
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they'll charge you $3-4 per month like they do for the Droid.

I swear they just love pissing off customers. They're so arrogant because of their coverage quality.
 
Hmmm....

Goona sounds like a AT&T employee desperate to defend his beloved company.

the iPhone coming to Verizon would be huge. If Verizon can find a way to allow data usage on the iPhone during a phone call, life would be perfect.

Regardless of which carrier gets\keeps the iPhone, Apple will always come out on top. It just means more iPhones sold for them. :D

Abercrombieboy said:
First of all why would it matter to you if Verizon got the iPhone? I don't understand that. It's not like they are taking it away from AT&T and giving it to Verizon only. If Verizon gets it either it would be a CDMA model for Verizon or a dual band phone for everyone. It is not going to impact you as an AT&T customer.

As far as most iPhone customers having no problems and being very happy with their service I don't know, maybe your right, but I sure do see a LOT of complaints all over the internet about AT&T.



Where are all these documented problems that Verizon is having? Why would Verizon admit to problems they don't have? Every cell carrier has issues on a small scale with coverage in certain areas. As company you only have to admit to problems when they are having a major effect on many customers to try and improve PR with your customers.
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name one time apple has ever changed there technology to conform to an out of date technology. .......thats what i thought.
don't expect iPhone on Verizon until they drop CDMA.
 
JoEw said:
then the iphone will not be on Verizon for a long time. 2012 is when Verizon "claims" they will no longer be using CDMA. So I'm calling 2012.
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Too bad CDMA didnt win, it was a better tech apart form its internet access problems. It could handle a bigger load on the same netwrking equipment. Plus at least Sony would be the ones on a power high, not Nokia.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Too bad CDMA didnt win, it was a better tech apart form its internet access problems. It could handle a bigger load on the same netwrking equipment. Plus at least Sony would be the ones on a power high, not Nokia.
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LTE is the future and Verizon needs to get there network up to it as soon as possible, otherwise they will ultimately fall behind all the other networks. If somehow Apple and Verizon can work out a deal (which is highly unlikely given the recent bashing Verizon has been giving ATT & iPhone) it would be a hybrid chip with LTE and CDMA compatibility. So the iPhone could be on Verizon while they are upgrading it LTE. This would also allow the iPhone in theory to work on all 4 major U.S phone networks.
 
JoEw said:
then the iphone will not be on Verizon for a long time. 2012 is when Verizon "claims" they will no longer be using CDMA. So I'm calling 2012.
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Correction:

Verizon says they're keeping CDMA through at least 2019 for voice, and perhaps beyond. (ATT would most likely do something similar... why throw away a perfectly good network that works with cheap phones?)

As for LTE, Verizon said they plan to have it fully deployed four years from now (by the end of 2013 or the beginning of 2014).
 
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