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And who are these people I have convinced? A bunch of internet blog readers? Do you think I care what your opinion is of my character?

I think you do care what people think of you on the internet, apparently. If you didn't, you wouldn't have come back to this thread and tried to defend yourself, which may I say, you did poorly. I don't think the people replying in this thread are flamers or trolls as you accuse them of being, I think they are the more honest people and have caught you scamming and are calling you on it. And now that you got caught, you're trying to make yourself look better.

Anyway, you won't read this since your not coming back so I don't know why I bothered writing this.
 
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I bet the OP is an investment banker....
 
Kid, finding loopholes and companies letting you do it does not make you an honest person.

I work retail. We give out refunds on stuff we know is stolen because we have no proof. It doesn't mean that the thief is in the right or not stealing just cause we allowed it. It means my company would rather not deal with a sue case in the 1% chance we're not right. My point being your proof that Verizon and Apple allowed you to do it does not mean it is proof that you were being honest and not scamming.

You remind me of a friend who used to get nintendos on a really good sale somewhere and also at a place that had them regular price, then return the sale priced nintendo to the regular price store using the receipt from the regular price nintendo he bought (so he'd get the regular price back). So he'd get his nintendo and some money back. Yeah, the store let him do it. Technically he did buy both nintendos. But it's still fraud and dishonest (and this is also why some stores now check the serial number of the item you are returning). Also, people like you are why stores that used to have nice return policies have had to get stricter on them and more draconic about them.

Oh, and your ipod story? If I got it straight, yes, you did steal from Apple. Just cause you managed to trick them into giving you the money back doesn't mean it wasn't theft. So you got the ipod on a rebate right? So APple sends you that rebate. Then you go and return it for fully money back even though you got 3/4's of it back already. So you just stole that money from Apple since you didn't pay that money (or got it back) in the first place! That's plain out scamming/stealing. And if I got my story correct about Verizon (not sure, that one is muddier), you got them to agree to send you iphones *instead* of refurbs to make up for the broken droids. So those iphones were what was agreed to to *replace* the droids. Then you got them to send you fixed droids too... you basically scammed them into sending you twice the product (from what I understand it wasn't that you got them to fix the droids and used an upgrade to get the iphones, but that they gave you the upgrade to fix the droids). Except this time you got caught. And I applaud Verizon. More companies need to get smart to your type of scamming. ANd yes, it is scamming.
 
I work retail. We give out refunds on stuff we know is stolen because we have no proof. It doesn't mean that the thief is in the right or not stealing just cause we allowed it. It means my company would rather not deal with a sue case in the 1% chance we're not right. My point being your proof that Verizon and Apple allowed you to do it does not mean it is proof that you were being honest and not scamming.

Damnit, I just realized my example's math does not work (he might as well have just paid for the cheaper one without getting the expensive one cause in the end run all he would have done is paid for the cheaper one). Either my friend's math didn't work, or he did something slightly different (I don't remember full details, I do remember it involved buying the nintendo at a cheaper price and returning it at a store that had it more expensive).
 
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I lost track of what is/was/has been going on in this thread. But, if u got the new iPhones, and got the refurbed Droid incredibles, that would explain exactly why they slapped a charge on you. If that's what they did, and they have "removed" the charges, they are going to figure it out, and you will be using the droids, and giving up the iPhones, paying the $900, or you just won't have a phone. If what I mentioned was the case, that's not purchasing power, it's lying. Karma
 
Kid, finding loopholes and companies letting you do it does not make you an honest person.

I laughed until I cried when I read this. A scamming customer is exactly the type of customer that these huge corporations deserve with their ridiculous early termination fees , extortionist level pricing for devices after they load them up with un-deletable bloatware.

Scam Verizon for all its worth, kid. You could rip them off 100 times over and it wouldn't even make a tiny dent in their weekly net profits.
 
I laughed until I cried when I read this. A scamming customer is exactly the type of customer that these huge corporations deserve with their ridiculous early termination fees , extortionist level pricing for devices after they load them up with un-deletable bloatware.

Scam Verizon for all its worth, kid. You could rip them off 100 times over and it wouldn't even make a tiny dent in their weekly net profits.
Yeah, scam them as much as possible until they rise prices even more because "they're losing profits from scammers." Real genius logic there :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, scam them as much as possible until they rise prices even more because "they're losing profits from scammers." Real genius logic there :rolleyes:

You're kidding, right? If I were you then I wouldn't mention logic because you don't seem to have any.

Lets just take a quick look... verizon wireless has 98.6 million subscribers (98,600,000 people giving them money EVERY MONTH) and a net income of 3.26 billion dollars ($3,260,000,000) per QUARTER.

Even if 100 people per state (5000 people) ran this same scam four times a year (every quarter) then it would be less than 1/25th of 1 percent of their profits.

Verizon's PROFIT is double the 2007 revenue of the ENTIRE NFL.

Saying that a company like Verizon is rich doesn't even begin to explain their vast wealth. So go ahead and worry about them not getting their $200 because some $10/hr employee shipped a phone to the wrong address.

LOL
 
Damnit, I just realized my example's math does not work (he might as well have just paid for the cheaper one without getting the expensive one cause in the end run all he would have done is paid for the cheaper one). Either my friend's math didn't work, or he did something slightly different (I don't remember full details, I do remember it involved buying the nintendo at a cheaper price and returning it at a store that had it more expensive).

1) Buy cheap Nintendo and full price Nintendo
2) ????
3) Return nintendo with full price receipt
4) Profit

Where ??? is buy 10 more cheap Nintendos and return then all to the full price store reusing the full price receipt every time.
 
1) Buy cheap Nintendo and full price Nintendo
2) ????
3) Return nintendo with full price receipt
4) Profit

Where ??? is buy 10 more cheap Nintendos and return then all to the full price store reusing the full price receipt every time.

Except most stores if they are smart mark up the receipt to say the item has been returned.
 
You're kidding, right? If I were you then I wouldn't mention logic because you don't seem to have any.

Lets just take a quick look... verizon wireless has 98.6 million subscribers (98,600,000 people giving them money EVERY MONTH) and a net income of 3.26 billion dollars ($3,260,000,000) per QUARTER.

Even if 100 people per state (5000 people) ran this same scam four times a year (every quarter) then it would be less than 1/25th of 1 percent of their profits.

Verizon's PROFIT is double the 2007 revenue of the ENTIRE NFL.

Saying that a company like Verizon is rich doesn't even begin to explain their vast wealth. So go ahead and worry about them not getting their $200 because some $10/hr employee shipped a phone to the wrong address.

LOL
*facepalm*

So you think by scamming them, Verizon will lower prices? Why do you think plan prices keep rising, because Verizon is losing money? No, they use lame excuses like people scamming them, leaving their contracts early, "excessive data usage" to increase prices. They could double their profit and they would still want more. So yes, please keep scamming them so we can have $500 ETFs, 3 year contracts as standard, less subsidized phones, etc.
 
*facepalm*

So you think by scamming them, Verizon will lower prices? Why do you think plan prices keep rising, because Verizon is losing money? No, they use lame excuses like people scamming them, leaving their contracts early, "excessive data usage" to increase prices. They could double their profit and they would still want more. So yes, please keep scamming them so we can have $500 ETFs, 3 year contracts as standard, less subsidized phones, etc.

You're deluding yourself.

Only two things woud ever cause Verizon to actually lower prices:
1. Government regulation
2. Losing customers (could be due to increased competition or users not being able to afford the service).

Under no other circumstances would prices ever drop.

The reason that 2 year contracts (et al) are the standard are because of a lack of regulation (regulatory capture of the FCC), and collusion. Verizon could easily afford to take losses on every handset sold and recoup the costs on fees for monthly service.

They charge that they do because the demand is there and the market will pay it.

Perhaps you think it is a coincidence that all new phones are 'magically' $200, with little regard for their size, shape, materials or capacities?

Wake up, man.
 
False logic w/ no morality.

Agree 101%.

Love the statist attitude in the last post. The government hasn't stepped in and made things "right" yet. That old supply and demand model is busted and we sheep need assistance from our great flock leaders.
 
You're deluding yourself.

Only two things woud ever cause Verizon to actually lower prices:
1. Government regulation
2. Losing customers (could be due to increased competition or users not being able to afford the service).

Under no other circumstances would prices ever drop.

The reason that 2 year contracts (et al) are the standard are because of a lack of regulation (regulatory capture of the FCC), and collusion. Verizon could easily afford to take losses on every handset sold and recoup the costs on fees for monthly service.

They charge that they do because the demand is there and the market will pay it.

Perhaps you think it is a coincidence that all new phones are 'magically' $200, with little regard for their size, shape, materials or capacities?

Wake up, man.
I never said Verizon would ever lower prices. I'm asking you what do you expect when you scam Verizon. Congratulations you got a free phone. In the end, you screw everyone over when the carriers spit some BS about how these scams are costing them tons of money and up prices even more. The more you try to screw Verizon over, the more "reasons" you give them to screw you over.
 
Actually, the idea that theft or "manipulating the system" to gain something at the cost of a very large entity makes no difference in their prices is a mistake.

Verizon has revenue and profit goals. These situations eat into those numbers. Verizon will pass this cost on to the customers in order to maintain their revenue/profit goals. Sure, they make plenty of money to cover the costs, but to keep their promises to their stockholders they will not just absorb these costs.
 
Obviously it doesn't work well anymore, but the guy is talking about Nintendos. That was quite a long time ago.

Alright, let me get this straight. I'm "that guy" and I'm a girl. And yeah, it was a while ago. But honestly, when I started working retail, it was common sense (and I had a retail job in 1994, before this guy was doing that).

Oh, and Nintendo still exists you know? They got that new 3Do player? And the wii. But yeah, this was back with the N64 I think.
 
Actually, I did come back...Fortunately, unlike some of you tools, I have a life, and do things other than spend every waking moment of my life on the computer. Turns out, Verizon did screw me, I called about this issue prior to the 90 day period that they claim existed and no one told me about it, I found this out by calling and asking for a CSR to check previous call-ins, something I hadn't even thought of. Actually I even called in a couple of times after I supposedly didn't sign the contracts when we activated the phones. Either way, I figured a solution, getting the charges taken off now that I went into the corporate store and signed a couple of contracts.

For all of you questioning my decision to get refurbs and get the iphones...ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

You do realize that I had to sign (2) 2 year contracts to get those phones.
You also realize that I have a 1 year warranty on said phones.
You also realize that Verizon OFFERED to replace those phones, prior to me complaining that the problems was with the droid incredible, not my specific piece of hardware.
They had the choice to NOT refurb those phones, and also to NOT allow me to do alternate upgrades using other lines that actually weren't even eligible for new every 2's at that point which resulted in me getting the iphones.

What I did was use my head, and at no point did I break any rules, commit fraud, or anything other than what was completely within my rights.

What they did was:
(A) Sent out text reminders to an elderly individual who doesn't know **** about SMS or anything other than answering the phone.
(B) Failed to deliver manual contracts by mail, which would have informed me of the mistake with the new contracts being signed. (EVER HEARD OF CERTIFIED MAIL??? -- A contract is worth money, to claim you sent something, and then to have it result in the customer having to pay close to a thousand dollars because said customer never received the contracts is UNACCEPTABLE.)
(C) I called in multiple times in between the activation of the phones of March 31st and when said 90 day period was up, and nothing was indicated to me of the contracts having not been signed or that i would be charged for anything other than the unsubsidized price on the phone
(D) Wasted 4+ hours of my time when everything I did on my end was completely within my rights
(E) Completely out of no where placed said charges on my bill and failed to call or send any sort of letter with the PAPER BILL the primary receives every month, which could have indicated the need for us to sign the contracts
(F) Acted like complete jerks until I found out that I had proof I called in and asked about the equipment charges before the 90 day period and was told I would be sent a contract, which never came, even though that call was on like the 89th or 90th day, which would have meant the CSR should have informed me the need to get my ass immediately to a Verizon store to sign contracts, like I now have done.

For anyone wondering where I got the phones, I bought them subsidized from Verizon, after they agreed to pull some strings because of all the problems we were having with our DROID INCS.

For all of those who think that companies should just be allowed to screw the customer, becuase they are huge and I am just one person, well, I guess I now know why so many of you choose apple products...:apple::p



Will he get the credits taken off and not have to pay anything??



Word. I spent all yesterday traveling from NYC, haven't really had time to respond because I was dealing with the issue on my own, and most of the people on this thread are flamers and trolls who just assume they understand the entire situation. Given it was my responsibility to explain said situation, I don't think its very cool how everyone just assumes I am committing fraud or breaking some law.



Explain how it was fraud. Please.
You know what I can't stand? People who make the assumption that because someone enjoys a product, and they want to talk about said product with other people who enjoy the same product on an Internet forum, it means they have NO LIFE, and that they sit around all day every day jerking it to Internet forums. We have lives too and friends and hobbies, so quit thinking you're Mr. Cool and just go about your business.
 
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