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Ah, Verizon.

First, to the T-Mobile / Sprint users: we regularly travel out into low-coverage areas with our Verizon phones. We have from time to time brought people along who have Sprint or T-Mobile. I have never had a situation where the Verizon phones failed to connect but the T-Mobile or Sprint phones worked. However, every trip the Sprint and T-Mobile phones "go silent" once we've left the main corridors while our Verizon phones continue well into the sticks. So, sorry, Verizon's network is just unbeaten out here in the West, at least everywhere we tend to go as a family.

That said, we have six lines sharing a 24GB plan right now, and are constantly running into that limit (main source of consternation in the household: "Why are you using hundreds of MB of data while sitting in your room at home???" "I didn't know my phone dropped off the WiFi!").

Switching to Verizon Unlimited would on paper be a no-cost switch ($110/month for 24GB, $110/month for Unlimited) except that the employee discount we have works with fixed data plans but oddly not with "unlimited" data plans. So it would be $20/month more to get (Feb 2017) Unlimited.

These two replacement "unlimited" plans coming tomorrow sound like they will cost even a little more ($5/month more for the single user case, but how much more for the 6-line family case?). I am going to go ahead and lock in the Feb 2017 plan for us. I can always switch to the newer plan if it looks more appealing at some point.

Unless they are manually turning off wifi, the phone should automatically connect back to wifi when entering the house. I have never had that issue, on any of my phones. They always connect back to wifi when entering the house.
 
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They are expensive but they are the only ones that get service where I live in a rural area so I don't really have a choice.
 
Wow, that blows. Pay more for less. Once I am reemployed, I'll cut my plan even lower since I do not use 5GB. If T-Mobile had good service (LTE and customer service), I'd jump. They do not so it's either Verizon or AT&T for me.
 
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Mine has too. It coincides with the Unlimited return. This may help with that. I do think that is one of their hopes.


I would be ECSTATIC if I got that speed. I just got 4.7 and that is way faster than normal.

I am on the 16 GB XL plan that went away. If I read it correctly, it will be capped at 720p on our phones and 1080p on our tablets.

Agreed.


That may be part of it. There is some truth to the fact that more unlimited plans would involve more video use. I know personally people who switched to unlimited and now stream video all the time. They were always limiting what they would do before they switched.
I do know what net neutrality means. Wait until Verizon buys or partners with a VOD provider and bundle 1080p access to their own products. AT&T already does this to an extent.
 
Get over it!

Nobody can legitimately offer "unlimited" anything at a fixed price, unless that price is greater than the cost of goods times demand. Unfortunately, demand for bandwidth seems insatiable.

Let's say apples cost $1 at wholesale. (I'm simplifying!) And lets say the average person is likely to eat no more than 2 apples a day. Heck, most people don't eat 1 apple a day! You can make a profit selling an unlimited subscription plan for apples at $2.01 a day. (Ignore overhead and the potential for people selling their excess apples. Maybe you have to go to the apple dispensary and eat the apple on premises...)

If demand rises to 3 apples/day, you cannot make a profit. Your business will ultimately fail, and you are lying to the public by stating that you can offer a sustainable apple subscription service at $2/day. Something has to give: either you need to start setting some sort of limit, raise the price, just "run out of apples" too bad, consumers gotta get to the apple store early each day, obtain a government subsidy, etc.

The public has come to expect unreasonable pricing. As the wholesale cost of texts and voice calls has dropped to near zero, the public got fooled into thinking they were getting a "deal" on unlimited talk and text. But now they expect unlimited services that have a significant cost to them.

I think the government should step in and just ban advertising unlimited bandwidth or unlimited data. It's dishonest to make that representation, and it's unreasonable to have an expectation of receiving same for a fixed price.

You gets what you pays for.
 
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If you read that report, it notes the decline in speed is likely artificial because the number of subscribers hadn't increased that dramatically, nor have streaming or data usage patterns changed much in such a short period of time. Most likely, I think, Verizon rolled out some new network optimization system that caused the slowdown. Maybe it was prep work in advance of launching these new plans.
That's very likely to be true, especially for a company that is known to do that many times in the past.

I think this whole Internet is a lot like building a highway. You need careful planning and adjustments to make sure every can get a reasonably good experience.

You can't simply increase the speed limit to unlimited and expect everything to work. You need to make sure you have sufficient infrastructure. It's a hard thing to do with wireless. If I were to guess, Verizon was merely reacting to T-Mobile as a way to make their quarterly earnings number look good.
 
720p? B.S. If I'm connected to youtube over HTTPS, how would they be able to decrypt the video stream and re-encode it?

They aren't. They are limiting your bandwidth to 10Mbps, which is just enough to support 720p content rather than 1080p reliably. If YouTube uses a more efficient codec (H.265 instead of H.264 for instance) you might actually get higher resolution than Verizon claims you will.

Unknown: is the bandwidth cap overall (in which case, it's not unthrottled LTE) or is it just to specific video-streaming servers like YouTube's and Netflix's? I suspect the latter, in which case an oddball streaming site might get better resolution than a "mainstream" site, until Verizon notices and adds that site to their "throttled servers" list.
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I use a VPN full-time anyway now that providers are able to monetize our browsing. No ATT, you can't have my data.

Are you able to stream video over VPN? I thought the major providers (at least Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon, maybe not YouTube) disallowed streaming while over VPN?
 
I think the government should step in and just ban advertising unlimited bandwidth or unlimited data. It's dishonest to make that representation, and it's unreasonable to have an expectation of receiving same for a fixed price.

Unfortunately, at least in the US, it isn't "false advertising" as long as the rules are presented with the offer. We have lots of words that don't mean the same thing in marketing as they do in the dictionary.

It reminds me of the Best Buy and Fry's Electronics ads saying "Free 32'' HDTV with ANY* computer purchase." At the bottom, "* Does not include notebook computers, or products from Apple, HP, Sony, custom-built, refurbished or restocked items." Um, OK...
 
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Technically speaking, your line speed enforces a cap, I've not got the fastest in the UK, but at 4-5TB use /mth, can't complain & 40GB of data on av. 100mb 4G, not too bad!:)

Certainly sounds good on the face (way faster than my average phone LTE speed) but latency is likely where you compromise. My fiber connection is a symmetrical 150Mbps with extremely low latency and no cap. Plus, my service provider is not mandated to save 12 months of browsing history of all its customers. ;)
 
Thats not hard to do when your entire home country of Finland is about the size of California and only has a population of 5.5 million. Verizon covers the entire US and has 146 million SUBSCRIBERS. That's right, they have 26x the amount of subscribers as your country has people. I don't even like Verizon (I was with them for 10 years and now am on T-mobile) but your comparison is ridiculous.

More subscribers means better economies of scale. That is a reason why Verizon should be cheaper, not pricier.

The proper justification is that Verizon needs to cover much more area per subscriber in the US than the rest of the world. The thing people don't get is that there is a lot of land in the US, which is driven through by cell phone subscribers who expect to be able to connect to the network. Providing that vast level of coverage is expensive. And, yes, it is why Verizon is more expensive than some other less-dedicated-to-covering-the-country providers.
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Anyone know what the employee discount applies to? I have a 20% discount bc my wife works for an affiliated bank. Would that be 20% off of the entire $75 (or $150 for 2 lines) for Go Unlimited? If so makes sense to switch as it's only $10 or so more than my current 18gb shared plan.

Generally employee discounts do not apply to "unlimited" plans of any sort, unfortunately. Adds $22 to my bill every month even though we switched from a "limited" plan to a same-topline-price "unlimited" plan.
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Hmm, so are they phasing out employee discounts completely? Other than grandfathered plans I'm assuming they will only offer the 3 unlimited tiers moving forward?

You still get 25% off (overpriced-by-50%) accessories!
 
£19/m for unlimited minutes and texts and 10GB of 4G data. £37/m for truly unlimited 200Mb fibre internet. Good god, I almost feel sorry for you yanks. The cost of phone contracts and internet in the US is obscene.

Don't you have free markets and competition?.. oh wait... they bought off all your politicians.

I'll be going with T-Mobile and Google Fiber when I move (Austin).
 
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Unless they are manually turning off wifi, the phone should automatically connect back to wifi when entering the house. I have never had that issue, on any of my phones. They always connect back to wifi when entering the house.

Yeah, I have never had this issue either. It isn't that it fails to connect at all, but that it connects and then drops off as they move through the house. It's persisted with two different WiFi router/access points and multiple different phones, so doesn't seem to be the hardware. We do have a large house, and the ones who end up with this are in the end furthest from the WiFi access point (I haven't bit the bullet on a mesh wifi installation yet), so maybe that is the issue. But, yeah, it amazes me how they have this problem, but I have witnessed it happening (they were on WiFi, then ten minutes later were no longer on it without having disconnected anything).
 
This is the final straw for me switching to Tmobile with Verizon increasing my grandfathered unlimited data +$20 soon while offering crappier service. The one advantage Verizon with 700MHz spectrum is also being trumped by Tmobile's 600MHz spectrum for in-building penetration.
 
Are you able to stream video over VPN? I thought the major providers (at least Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon, maybe not YouTube) disallowed streaming while over VPN?

My televisions (and AppleTVs) are not VPNed. I'm generally not a video watcher on mobile (tablet when I travel but that tends to be iTunes movies I've downloaded) but yes, Netflix would block me (which does annoy me in principle it's just not something I tend to encounter).
 
I pay exactly half of their new rate on Simple Mobile with their Amazon Prime discount, and I'm getting unlimited. I just did a speed test at 20 down/15 up, and I just played a YouTube video at 1080p (yes I checked and changed the setting to 1080 and it still streamed that way over my cellular). It uses T-Mobile's towers, and haven't had a problem or been limited. I think it has the standard "we may limit after 23gb" or whatever but that's it. So why would I even consider this plan at all again? The only way I would even remotely think about it is if I needed to be out in the middle of nowhere where marginally Verizon had the only service or something.
 
Certainly sounds good on the face (way faster than my average phone LTE speed) but latency is likely where you compromise. My fiber connection is a symmetrical 150Mbps with extremely low latency and no cap. Plus, my service provider is not mandated to save 12 months of browsing history of all its customers. ;)
Yeah, 20-30ms, VPN if I'm bothered, but tbh I'd rather 12mths than the lifetime history I'm sure they store in the U.S.;)
 
Verizon has recently started advertising here locally again with their ' Number 1 Root Metrics score '. I guess Verizon thinks they can start doing whatever they want again with plans and people will keep coming or take whatever they dish out.
 
This is what you get under the the Republican Party's FCC , which does not care about competition.
 
"We're doing this to ensure all customers have a great experience on our network"
That's always the excuse they use when they raise prices.
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Which is I am switching to T-Mobile. One carrier that is on track with their services offered, affordable and straight forward with their pricing with vastly improving coverage.
Sadly their network sucks here in Houston, Tx. They Constantly drop calls.
 
"We're doing this to ensure all customers have a great experience on our network"
That's always the excuse they use when they raise prices.

That's like when insurance companies raise their deductible with a release saying, "We're doing this to encourage our members to be healthier." Really? How altruistic!
 
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