That's what I think we're trying to get clarified. I'm not an iPhone user so I have no reference.
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That's what I think we're trying to get clarified. I'm not an iPhone user so I have no reference.
I think I found some info about the capacity difference:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2419
So it appears that formatting, iOS, any pre-installed apps can decrease the capacity of the device.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2419
So it appears that formatting, iOS, any pre-installed apps can decrease the capacity of the device.
That's just to keep people on AT&T buying iPhone 4's until June. If they said, "Yes, this fixes it and we'll be implementing it on the next AT&T iPhone as well." do you think people contemplating an iPhone 4 on AT&T would decide to wait? Probably so.
No, the iPhone antenna has been redesigned to work on the CDMA network which Verizon in the USA uses. By all means get one of them but don't expect it to work over here as no carrier in the UK uses CDMA technology. That is all it is, just redesigned to work on their carrier. Everyone is thinking there is some sort of conspiracy going on.
interesting predicament
Ok, don't hate, but I have 3 lines on V eligible for upgrade. My question is, if I upgrade next month and lock into a two year contract, can I later sell that phone without being locked into a $30 month data plan (or whatever it is)? I assume the answer is no. My thought was to buy the new phone now, sell it in 5 months and transfer a free upgrade from another line to my number to get the updated phone in 5 months, but I don't want to be stuck with two lines using iphones.
Ok, don't hate, but I have 3 lines on V eligible for upgrade. My question is, if I upgrade next month and lock into a two year contract, can I later sell that phone without being locked into a $30 month data plan (or whatever it is)? I assume the answer is no. My thought was to buy the new phone now, sell it in 5 months and transfer a free upgrade from another line to my number to get the updated phone in 5 months, but I don't want to be stuck with two lines using iphones.
I now understand this move in February for Verizon!!! Read on....
I like many other Verizon Wireless devotees and Apple Fanboys eagerly anticipated the release of the Verizon iPhone ( I still have the LG 8600). I would be the first in line to purchase a Verizon iPhone 4, but when the press released the details, it seems that there were no improvements. I wished that there was a 32GB entry model, the rumored 8MP Sony Camera, and 1080P recording, because I just really want an all in one device an do not want to carry around a camera anymore. Unfortunately there were no hardware improvements. But I realized why Tim Cook deflected many questions about how many iPhone 4's will be shipped and LTE. It is because for the first 4-5 months of production, the 16GB and 32GB models will be sold for $199 and $299, respectfully. But in June/July the iPhone 5 will be released on BOTH carriers. This will then allow the iPhone 4, at say 8GB or 16GB, to drop by $100. The Verizon iPhone 4 will be $99 in June/July. Therefore Verizon, like ATT will have a low end and a high end option, catering to price conscience consumers. It makes perfect sense. Therefore there is no waist in production/development of the iPhone 4 for Verizon. That is why Tim Cook said "Verizon customers want the iPhone NOW!" ....and we do, but I for one am willing to wait for the iPhone 5. Apple will maximize profits for 4-5 months on the iPhone 4 for Verizon from February to June/July. What do you guys think?
I like many other Verizon Wireless devotees and Apple Fanboys eagerly anticipated the release of the Verizon iPhone ( I still have the LG 8600). I would be the first in line to purchase a Verizon iPhone 4, but when the press released the details, it seems that there were no improvements. I wished that there was a 32GB entry model, the rumored 8MP Sony Camera, and 1080P recording, because I just really want an all in one device an do not want to carry around a camera anymore. Unfortunately there were no hardware improvements. But I realized why Tim Cook deflected many questions about how many iPhone 4's will be shipped and LTE. It is because for the first 4-5 months of production, the 16GB and 32GB models will be sold for $199 and $299, respectfully. But in June/July the iPhone 5 will be released on BOTH carriers. This will then allow the iPhone 4, at say 8GB or 16GB, to drop by $100. The Verizon iPhone 4 will be $99 in June/July. Therefore Verizon, like ATT will have a low end and a high end option, catering to price conscience consumers. It makes perfect sense. Therefore there is no waist in production/development of the iPhone 4 for Verizon. That is why Tim Cook said "Verizon customers want the iPhone NOW!" ....and we do, but I for one am willing to wait for the iPhone 5. Apple will maximize profits for 4-5 months on the iPhone 4 for Verizon from February to June/July. What do you guys think?
Yes, that will work. If you have 2 lines it would go like this:
1. Upgrade your line to the iPhone 4.
2. When the next iPhone comes out, you transfer the upgrade from your other line to yours.
No extra data plan required.
Apple may give AT&T feature/time exclusivity, perhaps releasing the next GSM iPhone in July and a CDMA version for Verizon 3-6 months later. By the way my feature phone is even more ancient than yours. It's a LG VX-8100, bought in Jan. 2006. Boy am I overdue for a new phone.
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The Verizon iPhone is CDMA only. It does not have the hybrid chip so it will only work in a few countries outside of the US. It will work if you visit Canada as Bell and Telus still have their legacy CDMA network running parallel to their HSPA+ network. You can also use it in New Zealand but you are out of luck in Australia as they shut down their legacy CDMA networks in 2008.
Just so folks are clear, the radio protocol doesn't matter. CDMA, WCDMA, TDMA. The antenna doesn't care.
All that matters are the frequencies that it needs to support. In the USA, both the GSM and CDMA2000 carriers use the 850Mhz and 1900Mhz bands. In other words, the same antenna(*) would work on both ATT and Verizon.
The difference comes when trying to support usage outside the USA. Then you run into the 900, 1800, 2100 bands that need supporting. And that's why the GSM antenna would have to be different, and the CDMA2000 one could be simpler... and possibly work better because it doesn't have to support as many frequencies.
Note that one of the features of the patent for this antenna is the idea of multiple sections separated by insulators, that can be electrically combined to form different antennas. However, there seems to be no such circuitry in the iPhone.
When the iPhone 4 first came out, I measured between the seams to see if any matched what various bands might need for full, 1/2 and 1/4 wavelengths. Didn't seem to match anywhere. But then, my expertise isn't in handheld antennas, and certainly not in weird slot ones like this.
(*) Or antennas in the case of Verizon, who seems to like having diversity (multiple) antennas in order to get the best signal even in multi-path echo situations.
Question. My family has 4 VZ phones in a Family plan, can I transfer my AT&T number to "add a line" on VZ and keep my phone number and have 5 lines on VZ?
Don't see why not. That should be possible and common no matter what carrier. You may have contract issues from ATT side.
I'm simply refering to the article itself:
Though some blinkered sheeple here may disagree, it has overwhelmingly been documented that the 'death grip' is not a figment of thousands of people's imaginations. So if the above article is correct then this has now been fixed - perhaps a happy coincidence while redesign the antenna for CDMA, but that's stretching plausibility a little.
But whether made by chance or design the article confirms the fix, so as i said, how can it be justified that the Sim Card iphone, with it's dodgy reception, should carry on being the same price as the CDMA iphone, with fixed reception.
Unless a Sim Card version is released soon, then the European iphone needs to come down in price to compensate, or the free bumper program be restarted. Or are all non-US customers inferior?
I actually interpreted his comment the same way as you — reading between the lines.
(CDMA may have had something to do with it, but I'll bet Apple quietly addressed the conductivity issue between antennas while they were at it. If the problem isn't present on these new phones, AT&T is going to be p*ssed!)
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Conspiracy may be too strong a word. But Apple definitely screwed up on the original antenna design. There's more than enough evidence of that if you do your research. But the phone is still very usable (especially with an insulating case/bumper) and they obviously decided very early on that a global recall/replacement just wouldn't make good business sense so they continue to downplay it as a non-issue. What else can they do? Certainly now that there are goodness knows how many millions of iPhone 4s out there, Apple have committed to a path of denial with no return. The Verizon antenna redesign raises all these questions again, but Apple figures their 'CDMA/no comment' answer will get them by until iPhone 5. And they're probably right. 'Antennagate' is old news and people are mostly bored with it.
BASED ON PRIOR RELEASE CYCLES, ANY SUMMER IPHONE WILL BE A MINOR BUMP IN PERFORMANCE AND FEATURES, NOT AN ENTIRELY NEW MODEL.
i.e. NO IPHONE 5 THIS SUMMER.
i.e. NO IPHONE 5 THIS SUMMER.
Not sure why you reposted that quote - are you agreeing with me?
Thanks for including link to original article, it had feedback in the reader comments that echo my point:
Some other comments argued that the antenna change is simply to accommodate CDMA specifications. If so, then are we to believe that the absence of 'Death-Grip' with this new antenna design is mere coincidence?
The VeriPhone was tested under ideal conditions set by Verizon themselves. Bridging the lower left slot my iP4 only drops one bar when I have a good signal but when I have a bad signal I get No Service. I'd say the jury is still out on whether
has done anything to improve the antennas.The VeriPhone was tested under ideal conditions set by Verizon themselves. Bridging the lower left slot my iP4 only drops one bar when I have a good signal but when I have a bad signal I get No Service. I'd say the jury is still out on whether
Good point. Lets see if there's 'death grip' when they go on sale.
So one of the new "must have" upgrade features for iPhone 5 is a fixed antenna that should have been there in the first place? if so, that's bs and has class action lawsuit written all over it... time will tell.