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On the video Engadget posted they had a 2nd page of installed apps, so it could easily be those game and such that was on the demo phones.

Well, "Capacity" shouldn't be dependent on installed apps, its the overall storage of the phone, "space available" makes a difference with installed apps, the overall capacity is lower..so that's definitely strange

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If this new hardware has addressed the 'death grip', as suggested in the article, then will the uk get version of the new hardware with a sim card slot?

If not that seems pretty unfair to the uk market and i'd personally go Android before buying an iphone with death grip, knowing the US has a new fixed version.

The "Death Grip" is bollocks. As soon as I grip my HTC Desire with a tight grip around the majority of the phone I lose several bars. Flesh and bone impedes radio signals, fact, regardless of which corporate logo is on the shell.
 
visual voicemail?

One thing I haven't seen confirmed is Visual Voicemail on the Verizon platform. You would think it would be there, but then again Verizon doesn't have simultaneous voice/data either and I consider that a key experience feature for the iPhone, so who knows?
 
If this new hardware has addressed the 'death grip', as suggested in the article, then will the uk get version of the new hardware with a sim card slot?

If not that seems pretty unfair to the uk market and i'd personally go Android before buying an iphone with death grip, knowing the US has a new fixed version.

there is no death grip
 
The "Death Grip" is bollocks. As soon as I grip my HTC Desire with a tight grip around the majority of the phone I lose several bars. Flesh and bone impedes radio signals, fact, regardless of which corporate logo is on the shell.

Perhaps the HTC is somewhat afflicted also, but there's really no denying the issue with regards the iphone4. From the article:

Ars contributor Chris Foresman reported that bridging the remaining gap on the Verizon iPhone (using the "death grip," he says) did not result in any kind of CDMA signal attenuation. He also placed a call while death gripping and said that there was no noticeable signal loss.

Now, if another country released a new version of your HTC phone that fixed your signal problem, would you not be very unhappy if that fixed hardware was not available in your country and you were expected to pay just as much for your old-hardware phone?

I think there's a reason that Jobs doesn't want to comment on whether or not the hardware re-design has fixed the death-grip. It's because if he says it has, then he faces justifiable flack from other countries unless he releases the new hardware there too.

So sadly this suggests that he probably intends to keep this fixed hardware for US customers only :(

He knows articles such as the one above will let US consumers know it's fixed without him having to open Apple up to people demanding upgrades to the fixed hardware. Guess he coulda' called it iphone5, or even iphone4s to get round that, but obviously he's holding back on that 'til June/July.
 
i feel like a retard reading the concerns about verizon not supporting voice and data at the same time. why is that bad exactly?

is it like you were downloading a song and then your mom calls. she doesn't let you go for 25 minutes and when she finally hangs up the song is still not downloaded and has to continue from where you left before your phone rang? cos i don't see how it's that bad. what else would be a real life situation where this affects the user?

can you receive texts or voicemail while you're on the phone?

i'm confused.

its not that big a deal (but I guess to some people it is). Basically it means that when your talking on the phone to someone u cant also be serfing the web, checking email, etc.
So like if a friend calls and ur trying to decide what time to see a movie and u go online to look up movie times or if a friend calls and asks u to check something online just stuff like that. Apple has advertised it in the past in some of their iphone ads. I mean having both sounds cool but i dont think that it would be THAT big of a deal not.

However, they have said that CDMA will be able to support voice and data at the same time sometime in the first half of this year.
 
Well, "Capacity" shouldn't be dependent on installed apps, its the overall storage of the phone, "space available" makes a difference with installed apps, the overall capacity is lower..so that's definitely strange

Now that I step back at look at it again, I think you are right. Why is there less usable storage on the VZW iPhone? Does iOS use the same storage for it's operating system files?

Does anyone have any other thoughts on this?
 
Testing for the Deathgrip like Apple did is useless, someone should try the fingertip across the lower left band. I can't believe Verizon ****ed up and posted pictures of the white iPhone on their website earlier today. How hard can it be to get it right :mad:
 
To clarify, GPS apps that have preloaded maps will work fine on the GPS module alone.

GPS apps that dont have maps store locally wont be able to load them, either way theyll navigate via the GPS module.

You'll lose the triangulation capabilities on both cases, wich might make the phone more reliant on gps quality and might take longer to acquire a fix.

it also depends on how cleverly the GPS app was designed. When using aGPS chip such as the one in iPhone (assist GPS), GPS leverages cellular tower to acquire faster satellite lock. The programmer who made the GPS application might code the app in such way that an error message is display whenever a cellular connection cannot be made.
 
Verizon:
iPhone that runs on a good network but won't work outside the US.

From the FAQ:

Can I use my iPhone 4 while traveling abroad?

Yes, customers can use iPhone for voice and text in over 40 countries with data service in over 20 countries.

It doesn't work everywhere, but it's wrong to say that it doesn't work outside the US at all.

I don't know whether this is the case with Verizon or not, but Telecom NZ used to* offer GSM loan phones if you were going to a country without CDMA coverage.

*They ended the loan phone service last year; all new Telecom-certified phones sold in the last couple of years also have GSM support for roaming.
 
hotspot is awesome. I've been with AT&T since they were AT&T wireless, (that is, to say, before the cingular merger.) I am not a fan of Verizon, but AT&T needs to add hotspot also or I might actually be tempted to leave.


i have been w/ ATT when it was Cullular One (1995) then SunCom in Virginia (1999) then Cingular 2001 then ATT 2004 then ATT then Cingualar 2006 then finally ATT again... and i would never switch because it has treated me really really well, made so many "one time exception" including early upgrades, fee wavier (hundreds of dollar worth from intl roaming), and personal phone call from president's office numerous time and corproate discount. although the service really sucks at time, i found myself loyal to the largest American GSM carrier. plus, Verizon is known to cripple its phone and customize its UI.
 
It doesn't work everywhere, but it's wrong to say that it doesn't work outside the US at all.

I take it it's unlocked then? I wonder how the lack of SIM works with having and changing numbers...
 
I'm curious why the Verizon iPhone 4 has 2GB less capacity than the AT&T version?:confused:

I hope Apple/Verizon addresses this soon. It's bad enough I have go down from my current iPod Touch's 64GB (59GB) capacity.
 
In case you didn't know, those claims came from the exclusive AT&T agreement--which should've been common knowledge. No one knew exactly when it would end, although this seems to confirm the end of 2010 stories.
It would've been dumb for Apple to break exclusivity just to get their phone on Verizon.
I can't even recall the amount of people on here that said very matter-of-factly that this would never happen. They gave absolutely no logical reasons to back up their claims. They all look pretty stupid now.
 
Antenna change?

Not likely unfortunately, given Tim Cook's 'no comment' response:

Q: Did you change the antenna?
A: Cook: We've optimized things to work on CDMA, but I'm not commenting on anything beyond that.


That's one way to interpret his comments.....another way would be that Verizon did not have anything to do with the antenna redesign. Apple used this as an opportunity to fix their antenna design and figured that consumers would assume it was due to the redesign for CMDA. It will be interesting to see if they quietly change the AT&T phone or wait for iPhone 5. I suspect that they will do the latter because changing the AT&T phone now would require them admitting to a problem....which Apple just does not do

The implications for millions of iPhone users wanting to exchange their phones for new ones with "fixed" antennas would not be good for their bottom line.
 
I'm curious why we've had to have the same question over and over again. The demo models have many apps already installed, and probably some music and videos too.

The capacity never changes. On my iPod Touch the capacity stays at 59.1 GB. "Available" is what changes/goes down.
 
I'm curious why we've had to have the same question over and over again. The demo models have many apps already installed, and probably some music and videos too.

This would affect only the "available" storage, not capacity.

I thought the same thing at first, but they are 2 different things. For some reason the VZW iPhone only shows a capacity of 27.1gb. This is the amount of space before loading music, apps, etc...
 
Sorry about my tone in my previous message.

Presumably "capacity" = 32 GB - size of OS. It's possible that the demo model is running a debug version of the OS, which would be substantially larger.
 
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