Verizon iPhone More Likely When 4G Networks Arrive in 2010

[Sehnsucht]

i hope this is true. Verizon always finds a way to disable hardware in phones so people are forced to pay for their services (gps, ringtones, bluetooth). I have a verizon wireless phone that is capable of gps and transferring data through bluetooth but verizon limits what I can do. Steve wouldn't let that fly!

Also it would be interesting to see how the app store would work, verizon would want a cut i'm sure.

His Steveness would never allow the Verizon badge/crapware to spoil the iPhone. As for wanting a cut of the iTunes store or the App store, Steve will tell them to cram it up their ass. The Verizon iPhone will be 100% pure Apple, the only difference being "Verizon" on the status bar rather than "AT&T".

 

[yoyomaster]

many countries dot use CDMA eg Australia, why kill the australian market?
why bother with two different handsets?

How will this kill the Australian market? What's wrong with making 2 phones, a lot of companies do, and Verizon will be the largest provider having a lot of new subscribers equating to a major surge in sales.

 

[MacFly123]

steve will invite him for dinner when it is time to talk

Ya. I think we will see another nice surge in June with the 3rd iPhone, but I think June 2010 will be the iChat front camera iPhone on 4G networks pretty much world wide and all major networks in the U.S.A. and it will be like the iPod Mini and Nano when BOOOOOOM EVERYBODY GETS ONE!!! I can't wait!

If I were the other smart phone makers I would be FREAKING SCARED for June 2010!

 

[Tenorsaw]

did you know that apple went to verizon first and they turned down the iphone? That's the story plain and simple. So if apple comes back to verizon I hope that they aren't as stupid as they were before...

You guys don't read:

"He said Apple never seriously considered making a CDMA version of the iPhone because it didn't have as wide a distribution opportunity."

This totally contradicts what he said before about Apple approaching Verizon first, which I knew didn't make any sense.

 

[maokh]

Exclusivity agreement expires in 2010? oh come guys, you're killing me!!

 

[IronCross]

Verizon's 4G network will be NO BETTER than AT&T's 4G network...

In fact they'll both be equal. Stronger and weaker in different areas with different spectrum ownership and different tower densities. Of course LTE technology running on 700/850/1900 will be the exact same on Verizon that it will be on AT&T. The reason that Verizon's network is so solid right now is because it's the MOST MATURE network of all the U.S. cell providers. Verizon has been using CDMA almost since the beginning of the millenium. AT&T started deploying 3G in like 2005/2006, EDGE/GSM around 03-04. Therefore they've had the most time to solidify and expand network holes and weak spots.

Also, CDMA technology by nature holds calls stronger than GSM does. Your call will degrade itself to the point where you can't hear the person on the other end (and you have to call them back to get a new connection), but damnit you'll still be connected. WCDMA (3G) does the same thing, but since it's a newer technology AT&T is still tuning it to perfection. In areas with 3G on the 850MHz band, service is absolutely stunning and far superior to Verizon.

 

[iMacoo7]

You say that now but then a year after that you'll be saying they're screwing you over by not letting you upgrade to the new phone like a ton of the 3g owners on these forums that signed a two year contract but still want subsidized pricing on this years model.

Seriously tired of seeing this..
Everyone is different in regards of when they purchased their iPhone,meaning that if you purchased it on the release date (Referring to the 3g iphone) You should be eligible for upgrade and a subsidy for the new iPhone(The only requirement that ATT is given in regards to the iPhone to get the subsidized price is for you to resign a 2 year agreement)
Call ATT , Go by the store, log onto your account and you will see when you are eligible and also you will be able to find out about subsidized pricing.
Do you honestly think that Apple/ATT will not let the owners of this device go and upgrade to the new version?
And when I say upgrade I mean upgrade with the subsidy.
The only thing I agree with in this post is that a ton of people will not be able to upgrade to the new version and get a subsidy because of the time frame they purchased their 3G iPhones.
I have 2 friends that purchased their iPhone's in August and the other one in October...
The friend that purchased his in August will be able to upgrade or be eligible june-july , the other friends not eligible until later.
One will be happily camping out with me and my wife while the other friend will have to marvel and drool over our iPhones unless he wants to pay the non upgradable fee's and taxes.....

 

[APPLEFAN8]

I hope so due to the fact that the day I turned 18 last October I was considering getting the iphone and leaving verizon but now that this news is here I have my fingers crossed and hope I can get it in 2010 since I have a LG dare now but get rid of that and get the iphone! lol

 

[Vaphoron]

For me this it is quite simple. If they release the iPhone for Verizon, I will buy it the day it comes out and if they never do, I'll never get one. Plenty of people I know will get one if they release it for Verizon so if Apple wants more sales its a simple decision.

 

[iansilv]

I live in Southern California, so my coverage is basically great everywhere. But I do respect Verizon's coverage- personally, I don't give a crap abotu loyalty to ATT- give mea better netwrok for a better price, and I am there.

BUT- VERIZON- don't you dare pull that crap with Vcast or charging piecemeal for the plans. You had better keep an unlimited data for everything like ATT does.

 

[iansilv]

His Steveness would never allow the Verizon badge/crapware to spoil the iPhone. As for wanting a cut of the iTunes store or the App store, Steve will tell them to cram it up their ass. The Verizon iPhone will be 100% pure Apple, the only difference being "Verizon" on the status bar rather than "AT&T".

AMEN!

 

[barcafan1990]

Can I ask why Sprint isnt in this race?

Im not so savvy on the network type issue, the GSM and CRDM, or whatever theyre called, but Sprint has the best multimedia features(SprintTV, to say the least), that would be a great addition to the iPhone.

Is it the type of network that Sprint has that doesnt allow the iPhone to be for Sprint.

 

[adamgalas]

The Future

I think it is innevitable that the 5th gen Iphone, released in summer 2011 will be available on all networks.

The reason is simple. Apple released the 1st gen Iphone, unsubsidized at a ludicrous price of $600 and it still sold millions.

They lowered the price to $400 and sold even more.

Then AT&T started subsidizing them and you could buy one for $200/$300 and sales exploded.

Now Apple gets paid the full $600 by AT&T and much more peopel can afford the upfront cost, especially with the Iphone now a PMP/Video Game console, GPS, Phone, Net Surfer, ect.

In other words, Apple and AT&T are both making out like bandits.

Yet despite millions flocking to AT&T, millions more can't or won't make the switch but still dream of the glories of an Iphone.

If the Iphone were available on all networks and subsidized for $200, then it would become the #1 smart phone in the world, possibly the #1 phone, period.

Not only would this mean ungodly money for Apple, but it would greatly expand the additional revenue stream from Itunes and the Apps Store, making them even more money.

In summary, logic demands nothing less than the Iphone being available on every carrier by 2011 and logic will not be denied. Thus it will be so.

 

[iMaggot]

This is why i'm not going to buy the new iPhone this year, i'm just going to wait for next year model to see if it comes out on Verizon

 

[redkamel]

Im sure apple would be "more likely" to consider Verizon if they are 4G. But that doesnt address that verizon still doesnt have as wide a distrubution as a GSM phone and no one else really uses GSM. Theres also no word from Apple about this, or a reason why they would make a GSM phone just for verizon. Also, I understand Verizon initially rejected the iphone (like idiots, since all they have no "cool" phones and are always behind the curve) because they wanted their own software, ringtones and limits....I'd be surprised if they changed their money grubbing ways.

Of course, if they did, I would go back to them in a heartbeat since they have the best network and best coverage.

 

[BTW]

One iPhone model for AT&T and one model for Verizon. Sounds good to me. I'd pick Verizon over AT&T any day.

 

[cwwilson]

Well as long as the iPhone is still on AT&T, then let there be a Verizon version as well. From what I can tell, Verizon seems to have some very loyal customers...So loyal that they want an iPhone but won't buy one until it comes to the Red V itself.

I've had a good experience with AT&T but if they let the iPhone go, I will follow.

 

[VTECaddict]

Verizon's 4G network will be NO BETTER than AT&T's 4G network...

In fact they'll both be equal. Stronger and weaker in different areas with different spectrum ownership and different tower densities. Of course LTE technology running on 700/850/1900 will be the exact same on Verizon that it will be on AT&T. The reason that Verizon's network is so solid right now is because it's the MOST MATURE network of all the U.S. cell providers. Verizon has been using CDMA almost since the beginning of the millenium. AT&T started deploying 3G in like 2005/2006, EDGE/GSM around 03-04. Therefore they've had the most time to solidify and expand network holes and weak spots.

Also, CDMA technology by nature holds calls stronger than GSM does. Your call will degrade itself to the point where you can't hear the person on the other end (and you have to call them back to get a new connection), but damnit you'll still be connected. WCDMA (3G) does the same thing, but since it's a newer technology AT&T is still tuning it to perfection. In areas with 3G on the 850MHz band, service is absolutely stunning and far superior to Verizon.

yep.

a 4G/LTE iPhone on VZW will be VASTLY inferior in terms of coverage, because verizon doesnt have WCDMA/GSM for the phone to fall back on. it will be ONLY 4G, which will be very limited because VZW has to build a brand new 4G network instead of building upon their current CDMA network. those of you that think AT&T's 3G is spotty, imagine that but worse, and instead of falling back on EDGE, you fall back on no service.

unless apple makes it dual mode LTE/CDMA...

 

[macfan881]

I think it is innevitable that the 5th gen Iphone, released in summer 2011 will be available on all networks.

The reason is simple. Apple released the 1st gen Iphone, unsubsidized at a ludicrous price of $600 and it still sold millions.

They lowered the price to $400 and sold even more.

Then AT&T started subsidizing them and you could buy one for $200/$300 and sales exploded.

Now Apple gets paid the full $600 by AT&T and much more peopel can afford the upfront cost, especially with the Iphone now a PMP/Video Game console, GPS, Phone, Net Surfer, ect.

In other words, Apple and AT&T are both making out like bandits.

Yet despite millions flocking to AT&T, millions more can't or won't make the switch but still dream of the glories of an Iphone.

If the Iphone were available on all networks and subsidized for $200, then it would become the #1 smart phone in the world, possibly the #1 phone, period.

Not only would this mean ungodly money for Apple, but it would greatly expand the additional revenue stream from Itunes and the Apps Store, making them even more money.

In summary, logic demands nothing less than the Iphone being available on every carrier by 2011 and logic will not be denied. Thus it will be so.

I agree ive been saying that since these rumors started if apple wants to be the number one smart phone in the world it needs to be on other networks

 

[winterspan]

AT&T exclusivity is definitely holding back iPhone sales, and I don't see a compelling reason to continue it. I would imagine seeing millions more sales if they introduced it onto Verizon and/or Sprint, not to mention all of the here-to-fore-left-out cellphone operators around the world.


1) It doesn't make sense to NOT create a CDMA model of the iPhone 3G, and to not otherwise open the iPhone to all American (and international) carriers.

Based on the 3GPP2/CDMA development trade group (http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp), there are over 450 MILLION CDMA (CDMA2000 1xRTT/EV-DO) customers worldwide in over 50 countries (with 100+ million in NA), and over 112 MILLION customers using EV-DO 3G. Why in hell wouldn't Apple spend the relatively small resources required to create a CDMA compatible iPhone.

Even just considering the USA, Verizon's LTE network is going to take years to reach the coverage area of their existing CDMA network, and Sprint is going in another direction. Combined, you are talking about nearly 100 MILLION CDMA subscribers and there are obviously millions of customers on these two networks just chomping at the bit for an iPhone 3G and who will NOT switch to AT&T for a variety of reasons.

2) If for whatever reason Apple didn't want to spend the resources developing two distinct models of iPhone (even if it makes sense economically), there is a relatively simple solution. There are dual-mode baseband chips that can work with both GSM/EDGE/UMTS *AND* CDMA/1xRTT/EV-DO networks already in use by other manufactures.. including certain Blackberry models.. There is no reason why Apple couldn't make the next generation iPhone use one of these universal chips.

 

[Minimoose 360]

I hope Verizon DIES.

 

[butterfly0fdoom]

Can I ask why Sprint isnt in this race?

Im not so savvy on the network type issue, the GSM and CRDM, or whatever theyre called, but Sprint has the best multimedia features(SprintTV, to say the least), that would be a great addition to the iPhone.

Is it the type of network that Sprint has that doesnt allow the iPhone to be for Sprint.

Sprint is using WiMax for 4G instead of LTE. Sprint's probably going to die anyway, and the iPhone doesn't even use AT&T's multimedia features anyway.

 

[edesignuk]

This has always puzzled me....why a countries carriers would choose to run entirely different non-compatible networks Seems like idiocy.

Who was there first? Who decided to go in the opposite direction (GSM v CDMA tech wise) after another (the first) had already began rolling out their chosen network?

 

[WizardHunt]

I actually think they will offer the iphone to T-Mobile as well. They would not have to alter anything, just make the iPhone unlocked (GSM Version) which might potentially open up the flood gates but the way the iPhone is supposedly going to reach the china market (Where supposedly allot of unlocked iphones were floating around) and the iphone has already filtered in other countries, I actually think it will reduce allot of the need to unlock.

Making a move to Verizon,T-Mobile would be a nice move.
I have family that stay in places where Verizon is the only service that works, some were T-Mobile only works.

So maybe they have been waiting until Verizon gets their situation taken care of before making an initial leap or maybe we are all wrong and Apple sticks with ATT for another couple of years (If Apple is coming out with a netbook, maybe the opposed netbook will not be with ATT and that is why they are asking for an extension).... Questions and answers to what it could or could not be....Guess we all will have to wait for the final verdict

Verizon just bought out T-Mobile. So it is all Verizon now. No more T-Mobile.

 

[andy721]

wait

It's all a stupid waiting game with money sharks with scams and sheep.

There's already a 4G out just gotta wait. So stupid.
I hate this screwed up society /