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Verizon Seeking to Shut Out T-Mobile and Sprint From iPhone in U.S.?
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The logic is that Android simply cannot keep it's growth numbers because the current numbers are based on last year's relatively low user base. Android only began showing any real popularity early this year. As such, even if Android phones continue to sell at 200,000 per day overall, growth numbers will fall as the user base grows. It's simple math.
That said, the US market is getting saturated by all the different Android models and even though that 200,000 per day might be a world-wide number, that adds up to over a million per week, totaling over 52 million/year. The odds are that Android sales in the US are going to start slowing down, despite the 2-4-1 sales and other discounts. With the world population at over 8 billion, it's going to be a while before the world-wide market slows down. Still, iPhone sales haven't shown any sign of slowing yet.
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Doubt apple would make a tmobile band. 1700 for their 3G
So don't expect it
Do sprint phones work on verizon and visa versa?
Doubt apple would make a tmobile band. 1700 for their 3G
So don't expect it
Do sprint phones work on verizon and visa versa?
They asked if the VZW CDMA iPhone could be used in Canada. It's possible, just not on those carriers as they are GSM.
It's possible you could put it on Bell or Telus, but I haven't seen any one try putting a US CDMA phone on them.
But if Verizon would have accepted the iPhone deal, they would have expanded more rapidly, but that could have meant overloading their network, and as you said, their network reputation would have been affected.
This would be sweet and well worth the wait, however, would it be Qualcomm that would be producing the 4G chip? Also has there been talk's of a 4G chip for the iPhone on AT&T's network of More Dropped Calls in More Places.
Kinda tempted to jump to Verizon, but want to wait and see just how well there going to do with the iPhone,
My Prediction is 50% of the jumpers from VZW will jump back, minimum of 35%.
Also didn't Apple and T-Mo already come to an agreement that T-Mo was getting the 3GS and Not the 4? Maybe it was internet hype not sure.
Won't comment on Android - since I don't follow it....
This sort of sucks for US consumers, no choice than the big two carriers. Sounds like the airline industry redux.
No real price competition... more like price fixing...The iPhone can be used on Rogers/Telus/Bell (and their sub-brands fido,Virgin) in Canada, as they all have 3G/HSPA/UMTS networks on 850 & 1900 bands like AT&T does.
Wind & Mobilicity only have 3G/HSPA/UMTS networks on AWS/1700 band, the same as T-Mobile's 3G network. The only chance of Wind/Mobilicity getting the iPhone is if Apple adds the 1700 band which would also allow the phone to work on T-Mobile's 3G.
Bell & Telus don't allow any grey market CDMA phones on their networks. And with their focus on their 3G/HSPA network, they're not really looking to add a cdma iPhone.
Also, I really hope there is no truth to this story. One exclusive contract with AT&T was stupid enough. I'm really hoping to see them add that 1700 band so the phone can be use with T-Mobile, Wind, Mobilicity as well.
Look at recent MR front page posts about the variety of iPad dada plans in Europe.
That's kinda what I figured since I had never heard of anyone activating a US CDMA device on Bell/Telus.
Irony?
So, let me get this straight. As soon as Verizon crawls it's way out from under the exclusivity agreement Apple has with AT&T, they want to impose the same crushing anti-competitive deal against the two remaining carriers?
I can't help but laugh at how ridiculous that sounds.
What it DOES point out, is that the networks and carriers mean next to nothing to consumers. It's the handsets that matter. As long as you get decent coverage where you're going to be using your phone, the rest is interchangeable to consumers as long as they get their iPhones.
And to think about how much money AT&T and Verizon spend pissing on each other's networks? Laughable.
So, let me get this straight. As soon as Verizon crawls it's way out from under the exclusivity agreement Apple has with AT&T, they want to impose the same crushing anti-competitive deal against the two remaining carriers?
I can't help but laugh at how ridiculous that sounds.
What it DOES point out, is that the networks and carriers mean next to nothing to consumers. It's the handsets that matter. As long as you get decent coverage where you're going to be using your phone, the rest is interchangeable to consumers as long as they get their iPhones.
And to think about how much money AT&T and Verizon spend pissing on each other's networks? Laughable.
LOL! Verizon up to their old tricks again!
I would agree, Verizon is about control, they dont want the other carriers involved because they dont want to get into a price war with the other carriers. If the iphone ever went to T-Mobile and Sprint here in the states, the cost of cellular service would go down. Remember, competition is good for the customer. I am glad i left Verizon 2 years ago, i can see they are still up to their old tricks here!
I would agree, Verizon is about control, they dont want the other carriers involved because they dont want to get into a price war with the other carriers. If the iphone ever went to T-Mobile and Sprint here in the states, the cost of cellular service would go down. Remember, competition is good for the customer. I am glad i left Verizon 2 years ago, i can see they are still up to their old tricks here!
That wouldn't benefit anyone but Verizon. It's certainly not good for consumers.
I personally won't buy an iPhone unless it is on Sprint or T-Mobile, I had the first gen model one unlocked on T-Mobile and loved it. Now I have an HTC Evo on Sprint and while I would prefer an iPhone I love Sprints prices way too much. T-Mobile has great prices also. Verizon and ATT are the most expensive, sure maybe they have better coverage but I don't need coverage in every nook and cranny to want to pay extra.
So, lets stop with the subsidizing of the handsets and make the service cheaper. Yeah, you can buy the phone unlocked now, but its not worth it because you pay the same monthly service fee that everyone who got the subsidy pays.
I know I'm dreaming though, the handset makers will never let this happen because they make more money off subsidies than they could charge the general public outright for the phone. The providers won't do it because once the subsidy is paid back, the "extra" monthly fee is 100% profit. Plus, you don't even have to pay back subsidies on people who buy unlocked phones.
The only way to fix this is through regulation by the FCC. Of course, that won't happen either since they have somehow convinced everyone that you don't want the government "meddling" with their corporation's god given right to monopolize the public airwaves. God forbid we have actual competition in a free market.
This has to be ********. Apple would have the number one phone on every single carrier and a legion of loyal repeat buyers for every new phone every year if they got it on all three carriers. It simply does not make sense for them to grant more exclusivity. The device will trump the carrier if they can get it on all four, the competition amongst the carriers will be fierce.
It simply goes against Jobs' mentality and things he has expressed in past interviews to continue the exclusivity thing with the amazing success the iphone has had.
I truly truly hope that this is not true.
It simply goes against Jobs' mentality and things he has expressed in past interviews to continue the exclusivity thing with the amazing success the iphone has had.
I truly truly hope that this is not true.
I will be ridiculously happy if iPhone finally comes to Verizon
As an Economics major, Apple's deal with AT&T makes no sense to me. If they want to maximize their profits and also maximize the benefits to US consumers, they should expand their product to all cellular companies, not just let AT&T run the little monopoly. It's ridiculous, iPhone should be available on all cellular carriers, or at least a few more major ones.
As an Economics major, Apple's deal with AT&T makes no sense to me. If they want to maximize their profits and also maximize the benefits to US consumers, they should expand their product to all cellular companies, not just let AT&T run the little monopoly. It's ridiculous, iPhone should be available on all cellular carriers, or at least a few more major ones.
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