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Verizon Seeking to Shut Out T-Mobile and Sprint From iPhone in U.S.?
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Gosh, I've always thought of verizon as a greedy, selfish, dont-care-about-fellow-americans-but-my-own-fat-ass type of company, and guess what!!
Looks like I wasn't wrong.
Pathetic.
And then we, Americans, wonder why America is going down, degrading. Obviously, because of people like verizon CEO and his inferior company slaves.
Die, verizon, die!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
Looks like I wasn't wrong.
Pathetic.
And then we, Americans, wonder why America is going down, degrading. Obviously, because of people like verizon CEO and his inferior company slaves.
Die, verizon, die!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
This will not be good
This is putting all cell calls in the hands of 2 companies. That will kill competition. You know how those stores are so "low-w-w-w-w-w" price, until they run all the other stores out. Then all of a sudden you're smack dab into an inflation spiral? Hate your current payment to Father Cell Co, LLC? Well nation, you'll be freaking when you see it in a couple years.
Competition is a great thing, but so are the anti-Monopoly laws. Yin/Yang. Back/Forth. Even/Steven.
Thanks for listening.
This is putting all cell calls in the hands of 2 companies. That will kill competition. You know how those stores are so "low-w-w-w-w-w" price, until they run all the other stores out. Then all of a sudden you're smack dab into an inflation spiral? Hate your current payment to Father Cell Co, LLC? Well nation, you'll be freaking when you see it in a couple years.
Competition is a great thing, but so are the anti-Monopoly laws. Yin/Yang. Back/Forth. Even/Steven.
Thanks for listening.
No Verizon, the reason Android phones suck on your network is because they are all carrier branded and loaded to the hilt with crapware like NASCAR apps.
Oh hey neat, the Nexus S. Why sure Verizon I'll use your network you seem to have decent pricing. What's that? You use an ancient CDMA standard that doesn't support the majority of international devices. Yea how about no.
Oh hey neat, the Nexus S. Why sure Verizon I'll use your network you seem to have decent pricing. What's that? You use an ancient CDMA standard that doesn't support the majority of international devices. Yea how about no.
Apple won't bother with 4G.
Gosh, I've always thought of verizon as a greedy, selfish, dont-care-about-fellow-americans-but-my-own-fat-ass type of company, and guess what!!
Looks like I wasn't wrong.
Pathetic.
And then we, Americans, wonder why America is going down, degrading. Obviously, because of people like verizon CEO and his inferior company slaves.
Die, verizon, die!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
I understand your position.
From the UK - namely known as Rip-Off Britain, I have been looking at moving the States in the Future but with how the system is over there and how the country is deteriorating I don't think I could live there.
Namely because of thing's like this (faceless companies), how the country is lead and how the whole south of America just seems to be a KKK fest it's just a mess.
Gosh, I've always thought of verizon as a greedy, selfish, dont-care-about-fellow-americans-but-my-own-fat-ass type of company, and guess what!!
Looks like I wasn't wrong.
Pathetic.
And then we, Americans, wonder why America is going down, degrading. Obviously, because of people like verizon CEO and his inferior company slaves.
Die, verizon, die!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
It's exactly what ATT asked for and got, shouldn't you say DIE ATT AND VERIZON!!! If you want verizon to die for asking, you must want ATT nuked or something for getting.
My opinion is it's all on apples shoulders. They make the agreements. All the companies are doing is asking. I ask for an apple tv with internal memory ... and I can ask all day but it's up to apple. If apple decides to do ANOTHER exclusive agreement (verizon and ATT) then it's apple fault. No other direction to point.
Come again? I didn't say any of what you had quoted...
Fixed. My sincere apologies... I misedited a multiquote and left the wrong name.
Verizon can go....itself
I think Apple should offer the iPhone to both Sprint and T-Mobile. Forget about Verizon. Especially in light of Verizon so eagerly going to bed with Google. Verizon could have come up with a deal with Apple when the iPad was coming out. There wasn't an exclusive deal with AT&T. The iPad is unlocked. Yet they kept to themselves and not offer the iPad to their customers. Their attitude is to be exclusive and there is only room for them or nothing. I'm sure Sprint and T-Mobile would love to have the successful iPhone in their line up.
I think Apple should offer the iPhone to both Sprint and T-Mobile. Forget about Verizon. Especially in light of Verizon so eagerly going to bed with Google. Verizon could have come up with a deal with Apple when the iPad was coming out. There wasn't an exclusive deal with AT&T. The iPad is unlocked. Yet they kept to themselves and not offer the iPad to their customers. Their attitude is to be exclusive and there is only room for them or nothing. I'm sure Sprint and T-Mobile would love to have the successful iPhone in their line up.
Simple. Write VZW and Sprint/Nextel and tell them to standardize on the same network the phone uses, and you'll have no more exclusivity. Go after the Carrier, not the phone maker.
BL.
What's easier: putting a different radio in the phone, or deploying a new cellular network?
If you want to blow the proportions and battery life of the phone out of proportion, the radio.
If you want it done the RIGHT way, the network. Keep in mind that CDMA technology was (is?) still cheaper to deploy than GSM. So in short, VZW and Sprint/Nextel were being cheap in deploying their network. they actually had the chance to change this back in the late 90s to where it could be standardized, but they built their own networks and tried to pass that as the standard.. while the rest of the world used the standard. There is a reason why it was called Global System for Mobile Communications. It's global.
If you laid out the network properly, this wouldn't be an issue and phone units would have more free rein to be adaptable to other networks. So let me answer your question with a question.
Which is cheaper: rolling out the proper network, or blowing the specs and battery life of the phone out of proportion, and increasing the cost per unit by adding the radio? Your homework assignment: Figure out the cost per unit of the iPhone, cost per unit increase by adding a CDMA radio, and multiply that by the number of phones sold by Apple. Compare that to the money VZW or Sprint/Nextel spent to roll out a CDMA network (that isn't for the most used outside of the US).
BL.
I looked all over my SGS and found no traces of this NASCAR app you speak of...
BTW, GSM is more "ancient" than CDMA.
No.
In the 1990s, CDMA was cutting edge technology, relying on GPS timing and the latest radios to work, and in fact was originally considered almost impossibly difficult and expensive to deploy.
However, cellular engineers knew that CDMA radios were the eventual way to go for speed, capacity and robustness. So Verizon (and other top-tech carriers around the world) bit the bullet and decided to start with CDMA. This is why they were later able to move to CDMA-3G so quickly in comparison to ATT:
ATT went the cheap GSM route at first, which is why they have had so much expense and difficulty adding a WCDMA-based 3G radio network on top of their old TDMA network... and years later they _still_ aren't done.
When Verizon, Japan, Korea, Canada, Australia, NZ, and others chose CDMA, there was no "world standard". There were only a few million GSM users at the time.
Since then, it's been a case akin to VHS vs Beta.
Are you serious? Maybe if you looked at VZW's balance sheet you wouldnt be asking such a stupid question.
Both Verizon and AT&T are using their outsized "profits" to reinvest in a vast network of towers and backhaul. You as a consumer, just want to suck up as much cheap hardware, with valuable features, on a cheap network, with massive bandwidth, as you can. You are a mooch.
To service the capital required to install vast wireless networks a year or two before they are even turned on for the first time, there needs to be a carrot on the end of that stick. That carrot is exclusivity to some degree, value based, not cost based, prices to allow for cost recovery, capital repayment, and some profit.
Verizon's overall margins are slimmer than Apple. Apple despite their margins, sells hardware that is price competitive based on specs and features and access to services.
There is no free lunch. But what we do have is vibrant product development and deployment, brisk network upgrades in speed and geography, all for about what we were paying for pokey wireless a few years ago.
It is not free, perhaps not even cheap, but it is good and it is valuable.
Rocketman
I am quite serious. Since at least 1998 (I go back that far because that was when I first had a cell phone), just about every country in Europe: France, Germany, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Spain, and others, Australia (I know Oz for a fact for I lived there and had it), New Zealand, Canada, and the USA all had one form of GSM or another running on a carrier's network.
That would mean less cost to make a given model of phone from a maker, vs. Making the same phone with a different model number to cater to a different network. More cost per unit to appease the network. That's why Nokia stopped making phones for Sprint; Nokia stopped playing their game in 2000.
That is the ultimate choice: least amount of radio hardware for the most used networks around the world; purchase that unit and take it to your carrier of your choice. Not let the carrier dictate what phones you can have/buy/use on their network.
BL.
Nokia for that decision (and other bad decisions) is not even a minor player in the U.S. now. More than half of U.S. Market is CDMA. Sprint and Verizon have more customers together than ATT and T-Mobile. Most other phone manufactures can make two versions and be profitable. Apple should have made both versions from the beginning.
So what?
Let me ask you this. How much do you think it will cost to deploy a CDMA iphone? It costs ~$200 to manufacture each iphone, and ~70m have been sold so far.
How much do you think VZW's network is worth? I'd say it would cost at least $100B to deploy a network of VZW's size today.
It's a shame we don't have anti-trust laws in this country (U.S.) so that companies can just flagrantly bribe other companies to fix the markets so that there is no open competition and thus Capitalism is defeated in both scope and purpose.
Yeah, that's not true. Even if you pay the unsubsidized price in the USA you are still locked into AT&T. Plus even if you jailbreak/unlock you lose 3G.
Gosh, I've always thought of verizon as a greedy, selfish, dont-care-about-fellow-americans-but-my-own-fat-ass type of company, and guess what!!
Looks like I wasn't wrong.
Pathetic.
And then we, Americans, wonder why America is going down, degrading. Obviously, because of people like verizon CEO and his inferior company slaves.
Die, verizon, die!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
This seems a little extreme but I as much as I don't like AT&T after two years on their network I like VZW less. I'd be a little crushed if this rumor turns out to be true. I love my iPhone but unlocking it to work on T-mobile has made it frustratingly finicky. I'd buy an Android if I wanted that.
I won't go VZW so I guess it will be feature phone & iPod Touch or back to AT&T in my future. Sigh.
Please don't let this be the first time Wu is right.
And how much of that would be in Verizon's pocket if they had implemented GSM when they had the chance some 10 - 11 years ago?
What you're not getting is that the customer does not have a choice in what phone they purchase. the Network dictates the phone you buy. Case in point: LG Tritan AX840 vs. an LG Tritan UX840. Same phone, different network: US Cellular vs. Alltel. You couldn't take UX unit to the network using the AX phone, despite it having the same radio in it.
Take any Spring phone, like a Samsung Reclaim to Verizon. Ask them if you could use your phone on their network, and see the looks on their face when you ask. I could take a GSM phone I bought and used on Telstra's network, drop in an ATT sim card, and be in business. That's a given. But CDMA networks are in the dark on that.
But if VZW had done what they had thought about doing back then, we wouldn't be having this discussion and the iPhone would already be on their network. But they didn't, so they don't, and here we are.
BL.
It's a shame we don't have anti-trust laws in this country (U.S.) so that companies can just flagrantly bribe other companies to fix the markets so that there is no open competition and thus Capitalism is defeated in both scope and purpose.
Don't hate ATT just because they made the deal (Cingular actually). And don't hate verizon because they ask for the same deal. Hate Apple because they go looking for it.