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Vertex 3, tomo is the big day?
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Overclockers now say 28th March.
I just pre-ordered with them a vertex 3 (240GB)
over much uhm-ing and arr-ing over whether to go for this or an Intel 510. From experience they've got excellent customer service so if there's a problem I'm not too worried. Can't wait! Putting my 750GB in an external USB3 case (bought a USB3 express card for my 17" which has yet to arrive *late*
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I just pre-ordered with them a vertex 3 (240GB)
Putting my 750GB in an external USB3 case (bought a USB3 express card for my 17" which has yet to arrive *late*
The 17" has an usb 3.0 port? I never understood why they wouldn't atleast upgrade the 15" ports to 3.0 instead of the ridiculos 2.0... so i have to settle for an fw800 external casing
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No the 17" has a express card which you can buy a express card to USB 3. Apple has light peak which I scarred the USB and soon I bet there will be light peak to USB 3 adapters
legreve said:I just pre-ordered with them a vertex 3 (240GB)
Putting my 750GB in an external USB3 case (bought a USB3 express card for my 17" which has yet to arrive *late*
The 17" has an usb 3.0 port? I never understood why they wouldn't atleast upgrade the 15" ports to 3.0 instead of the ridiculos 2.0... so i have to settle for an fw800 external casing
No the 17" has a express card which you can buy a express card to USB 3. Apple has light peak which I scarred the USB and soon I bet there will be light peak to USB 3 adapters
Anyone else waiting for this drive? I'm about to purchase a new MBP, but can't pull the trigger until I receive my SSD! I put my order in last week - the shop's still awaiting stock though...
2 weeks to go for me
OCZ playing games.
I was in the same boat! I just bought a macbook pro 2011 and was waiting for this drive. I put OCZ's reputation of being a shady, sneaky company aside due to the jaw-dropping results anandtech's review until I found the spec sheet they released today:
the 120GB only has 20,000 4KB Random read.
They gave Anand the 240gb/500 dollar drive to test out. It is simply just so shady that they would make the smaller, cheaper, way more popular drive in (at least when they are at this price point) not as good.
Anand had this to say:
"If you pay attention to the table above you’ll notice that there are two specs for 4KB random write IOPS: burst and sustained. The burst value is for around 15 seconds of operation, the sustained is what happens when the firmware initiated performance cap kicks into action. By default the SF-2100/2200 drives have a cap of 20,000 IOPS for 4KB random writes. After a period of about 15 seconds, the max performance on these drives will drop to 20K. The SF-2500/2600 controllers are uncapped, max performance can remain at up to 60K IOPS.
The beta Vertex 3 review sample I have here today manages around 45K IOPS in our 4KB random write test. That test runs for 3 minutes straight so obviously the cap should’ve kicked in. However it didn’t."
Shady, shady, shady.
Anyone have any idea what this read speed will mean for real world performance?
EDIT: Found my answer: "A good SSD must be strong in all four categories, but some are more noticeable than others. Random read and write speed, particularly of small files (e.g. 4KB) are normally what make our desktop hard drives feel so slow. These random operations are everything from file and table updates to search queries and loading applications; they aren't random over the entire space of the disk but they are random enough to bring conventional hard drives to their knees."
I was in the same boat! I just bought a macbook pro 2011 and was waiting for this drive. I put OCZ's reputation of being a shady, sneaky company aside due to the jaw-dropping results anandtech's review until I found the spec sheet they released today:
the 120GB only has 20,000 4KB Random read.
They gave Anand the 240gb/500 dollar drive to test out. It is simply just so shady that they would make the smaller, cheaper, way more popular drive in (at least when they are at this price point) not as good.
Anand had this to say:
"If you pay attention to the table above you’ll notice that there are two specs for 4KB random write IOPS: burst and sustained. The burst value is for around 15 seconds of operation, the sustained is what happens when the firmware initiated performance cap kicks into action. By default the SF-2100/2200 drives have a cap of 20,000 IOPS for 4KB random writes. After a period of about 15 seconds, the max performance on these drives will drop to 20K. The SF-2500/2600 controllers are uncapped, max performance can remain at up to 60K IOPS.
The beta Vertex 3 review sample I have here today manages around 45K IOPS in our 4KB random write test. That test runs for 3 minutes straight so obviously the cap should’ve kicked in. However it didn’t."
Shady, shady, shady.
Anyone have any idea what this read speed will mean for real world performance?
EDIT: Found my answer: "A good SSD must be strong in all four categories, but some are more noticeable than others. Random read and write speed, particularly of small files (e.g. 4KB) are normally what make our desktop hard drives feel so slow. These random operations are everything from file and table updates to search queries and loading applications; they aren't random over the entire space of the disk but they are random enough to bring conventional hard drives to their knees."
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That might be... but that doesn't change the fact that even with that table, the Vertex still out performes everything else but one drive which I cant remember the name of. And 120gb? That drive size is a joke... people who use that little space don't really need an ssd...
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How come? 120gb is plenty of space for OS and apps, what's your reasoning behind that people with small capacity needs don't want speed? SSDs fit those people more right now than people with high storage needs.
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How come? 120gb is plenty of space for OS and apps, what's your reasoning behind that people with small capacity needs don't want speed? SSDs fit those people more right now than people with high storage needs.
You think? I am not a big gamer but will have 3 games on my Mac SSD:
World Of Warcraft 26GB
StarCraft 2 10GB
Diablo 3 15GB (At a guess)
So thats 51GB of your 120GB gone already.....
180-240GB is about minimum these days if you don't want to skimp on applications/games and data.
Nothing shady going on methinks... extra 120GB = more NAND channels populated = better performance
Well it's not really about storage is it... it's about working with large files and playing games and doing a spreadsheet in Office or iWorks doesn't really fall under that category. I have my storage in the optibay with 750gb on a 7200rpm.
You will not notice a significant change between ssd and 7200 rpm if your main work of the day is opening Office... hence what do we really care how the 120gb does in performance. It's nothing but nit picking... and then +1 on the post above this one.
Between OS, apps and space for the files I'm working on 240gb will go fast
Also take into account the free space you need for the ssd to work properly.That's quite a difference. I'm seriously considering cancelling my 120GB Vertex 3 order and just buying a C300, or perhaps the Intel 510. Especially now TRIM is available - the SandForce controllers aren't looking so necessary.
Normally I'd wait... but I'm going away next week, so ideally I'd like to get my new MBP before next Thursday - that's only 1 week to order it from Apple.
This is my first SSD. Anyone think it's worth it to buy the Intel for 'reliability', over another SATA-III drive like the C300?
SandForce is still useful. Particularly for those wanting to say use Boot Camp to boot an older OS like Windows XP.
Edit: One should also remember that the SSDs with the SandForce controller do Garbage Collection. This is a different way to maintain high performance than using TRIM. The two methods complement each other nicely.
Edit: One should also remember that the SSDs with the SandForce controller do Garbage Collection. This is a different way to maintain high performance than using TRIM. The two methods complement each other nicely.
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Yeah, there's nothing shady going on here. The 20,000 IOPS has to do with the number of NAND chips on the board. Please educate yourself before jumping to conclusions.
johnnyturbouk
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(bought a USB3 express card for my 17" which has yet to arrive *late*
which express card did u go for buddy
-i heard that lacie expresscard 34 only works if you have lacie usb drive
-lindsy drive does not officially work on osx, but if used with the lacie macosx firmware - there have been anecdotal reports of success!
johnnyturbouk
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back to topic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i cancelled my V3 order, until this whole sata 3 incompatibly fiasco is ironed out
wonder if the trim patch would work on v3??
i cancelled my V3 order, until this whole sata 3 incompatibly fiasco is ironed out
wonder if the trim patch would work on v3??
I ordered my Vertex 3 from newegg - they have it right now. I should be getting it tomorrow.. just looking for an optibay right now
Thanks!
I just grabbed one. They may sell out so I'm not going to hesitate, even though that's always a good idea, unless it's Newegg, then it's maybe not a good idea. Any ideas?
its funny.. if you go to the straight link it says it is in stock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706&Tpk=N82E16820227706
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227706&Tpk=N82E16820227706
Yes it's in stock on and off (on as of now). I guess some charges don't go through, and they restock.
Sorry but that's bull
With the current SSD prices still being high compared to normal HDD's, a 120 GB SSD drive for your OS and most used programs is PERFECT
Load your most used data on a Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid 500 GB drive in the Optical Bay slot.
Of course if you can afford it, get a MacBook Pro 17 with 2 internal SSD drives, one for programs and OS and one for your data - but it gets pretty darn expensive, so for people on limited budget, a 120 GB fast SSD for OS and programs is a great idea !