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Very disappointed to how anti apple trolling is handled in these forums.

True to my words, I 've let this issue be discussed here without me.

But I am not happy with some people thinking that whatever they have to say here is the gospel. This forum has thousands as members, yet this subforum is watched by max 10 people (and that's a high estimate) at any time. That's hardly reflective of that the mac community here has to say. If you think what you say is so valid and absolutely true put it up for discussion where it matters, that is with forum members taking part here as opposed to the, well, I feel an idiot just saying this, but anyway to the demi and quasi and full gods discussing it.

There's a trolling issue here. This is an apple site and android-ms or other sadomasochist complexes from the other side should not be acted out here, they should not only not be tolerated, they also should be heavily reprimanded.

Anyone who busts our balls here about his inferiority complex with apple should be sent out, like it's always been in apple forums. You kids might be young, and ignorant, and some here might be taking advantage of all that, but we didn't get apple from bankruptcy to where it is now, in all it's glory, to have every troll here annoying us. Go hard on them, go harder and faster and tougher than any other forum has, weed them out, and finally support as you should the company that puts food on your table here (I am talking about the owners). Respect the people who give you a (generous) living. This site used to be making an honest living, and even if it was merely relaying apple news and not actually bringing anything to the table, it was not at least the laughing stock of the apple world. It is now (ask anyone in these forums about the level of discussion here) and you should fix that.
 
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bouncer1 said:
Arn there is a fine line between rubbish articles and sensationalist ones. Ok we get it you have to make a living but don't be desperate about it to the detriment of apple. "To address data loss issues" is a rubbish claim, there are no data loss issues, there is a rare bug here, and it's been corrected. So save us the sensationalism and report this as it should be reported. You are taking advantage of common folk here, and scaring them fearing they might lose their data. In all these forums here with thousands of people no one really lost their data irretrievably, so what is this rubbish all about then other than getting people worked up and driving hits here? Get it together cause you are hurting the community, and the community doesn't like you for doing that. Anyone playing games on apple's back is going to get it hard at some point, and you are not going to like it when it happens. You are riding the coattails of apple here, so be a good boy and dont't try to bite the hand that feeds you.
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I'd say your verbal lashing of the site's owner above is a perfect example of trolling.

And I wouldn't be surprised if you were "bounced" out of here for good very, very soon. ;)
 
bouncer1 said:
True to my words, I 've let this issue be discussed here without me.

But I am not happy with some people thinking that whatever they have to say here is the gospel. This forum has thousands as members, yet this subforum is watched by max 10 people (and that's a high estimate) at any time. That's hardly reflective of that the mac community here has to say. If you think what you say is so valid and absolutely true put it up for discussion where it matters, that is with forum members taking part here as opposed to the, well, I feel an idiot just saying this, but anyway to the demi and quasi and full gods discussing it.

There's a trolling issue here. This is an apple site and android-ms or other sadomasochist complexes from the other side should not be acted out here, they should not only not be tolerated, they also should be heavily reprimanded.

Anyone who busts our balls here about his inferiority complex with apple should be sent out, like it's always been in apple forums. You kids might be young, and ignorant, and some here might be taking advantage of all that, but we didn't get apple from bankruptcy to where it is now, in all it's glory, to have every troll here annoying us. Go hard on them, go harder and faster and tougher than any other forum has, weed them out, and finally support as you should the company that puts food on your table here (I am talking about the owners). Respect the people who give you a (generous) living. This site used to be making an honest living, and even if it was merely relaying apple news and not actually bringing anything to the table, it was not at least the laughing stock of the apple world. It is now (ask anyone in these forums about the level of discussion here) and you should fix that.
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What in the world?

Wild-Bill said:
I'd say your verbal lashing of the site's owner above is a perfect example of trolling.

And I wouldn't be surprised if you were "bounced" out of here for good very, very soon. ;)
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I agree completely
 
Have to say, I very rarely post here, but I appreciate reasonable discussion of Apple products. It seems to me that what Bouncer1 wants is a site purely for the sorts of people Apple users are often accused of being: "fanbois".

Apple is a great company, and they produce great products, but they also make mistakes on occasion, and its important that a true forum exists where Apple products and news can be discussed, not drooled over. Drooling is not prohibited you understand, where warranted :) , but likewise criticism where warranted should also be (and is) encouraged. As I said, I very rarely post here, but I do frequently read posts here, and I generally enjoy the very level-headed and balanced discussions. I'd say the mods do an excellent job.
 
bouncer1 said:
There's a trolling issue here. This is an apple site and android-ms or other sadomasochist complexes from the other side should not be acted out here, they should not only not be tolerated, they also should be heavily reprimanded.
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MR isn't the Soviet Union. We are all entitled to have our own opinion, and it may not always agree with yours. Just because one owns an Android phone isn't a reason to ban him.

All big forums have bad apples. There is no way to have a forum with +500k members that all agree with everything you are saying. What you want is a small, closed forum for blindfolded fanboys who can only see the  logo.

You've been here for less than a month. Get used to the "trolling" and ignore it. Or maybe you are better off going to another forum where anti-Apple people are banned.
 
bouncer1 said:
Tell me, was that guy in anyway prepared to discuss his blanket dismissive statement of apple? No. Was he posting "in order to anger other members or intentionally cause negative reactions"? He sure was. Is there any way he can elicit a positive reaction in a fan of the new airs and apple with a blanket dismissal of them? No.
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i had a read through your replies, and can understand your frustration at the original poster however i do not think that you handled the situation in a mature way, and you broke the forum rules as well. its likely that the other user may have gotten a warning too. the problem with replying in a situation like that (especially in your hostile manner) was that it provoked the user even more - and that is where the problems are. Mods will NOT tolerate any such thing. it is 100% COMPLETELY against the rules to accuse somebody else of trolling, even if they are - simply report it and move on.

Now what do you want me to do then? Report them, like he -in typical fashion of a troll they did-? And ok, he reported my post, can't you guys use some judgement here that if someone goes in forums for machines they consider sub par and dismisses them he can't accuse others of trolling then???????
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how do you know that he reported it?

And let me ask you something else. What on earth is a poster who believes apple's products are inferior doing here to begin with? That is trolling from the get go.
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that is not up to you to decide. i am confused why you have taken so much offence to this outcome.

But I want you to take this seriously and consider my viewpoint.
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the rules are the rules - you have signed up and agreed to these rules, i agree with some of the points that the original poster (however uninformed they may be) and i also agree with a lot of your points. voice your opinion sure, just not in the manner that you have been doing - we do not wish MacRumors to become a place of "oh but they said".
 
bouncer1 said:
True to my words, I 've let this issue be discussed here without me.

But I am not happy with some people thinking that whatever they have to say here is the gospel. This forum has thousands as members, yet this subforum is watched by max 10 people (and that's a high estimate) at any time. That's hardly reflective of that the mac community here has to say. If you think what you say is so valid and absolutely true put it up for discussion where it matters, that is with forum members taking part here as opposed to the, well, I feel an idiot just saying this, but anyway to the demi and quasi and full gods discussing it.
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With over 1,200 views and 25 different posters choosing to reply (mostly unfavorably), I would say your assessment is slightly off. Of those 25+ posters, they range anywhere from newbie to long time members. This Forum is just as open as any other, and is absolutely the appropriate place for such discussions.

There's a trolling issue here. This is an apple site and android-ms or other sadomasochist complexes from the other side should not be acted out here, they should not only not be tolerated, they also should be heavily reprimanded.
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No one has to show their Apple tattoo or give a secret handshake to participate in these Forums. A variety of views are expressed, and criticism of Apple is not only not censored, it is often valid. Issues on the Forum, trolling or otherwise, are handled according to the Forum Rules. If you, or anyone else, sees a post, thread or member that is in violation of the Forum Rules, you have the opportunity to report the post, thread or member. We try to keep the moderation of the board as objective as possible based on the Forum Rules, but a certain amount of subjective evaluation is always present, as can be seen by the responses here that have judged your posts to be far more trolling than the ones you have accused.

Anyone who busts our balls here about his inferiority complex with apple should be sent out, like it's always been in apple forums. You kids might be young, and ignorant, and some here might be taking advantage of all that, but we didn't get apple from bankruptcy to where it is now, in all it's glory, to have every troll here annoying us.
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Methinks you take too much on yourself in bringing Apple out of bankruptcy to all its glory. Apple is a business. We are consumers. We all have different opinions, experiences, and levels of satisfaction, and we are all free to express those within the guidelines of the Forum Rules. The Forum is not an Apple Club where members take an oath of allegiance to Cupertino or they are shown the door. If you find a post, thread or user annoying you have several options: 1) don't read the post or click the thread 2) put members on your ignore list or 3) report the post, thread or member if they are in violation of Forum Rules. However, imposing your own standard of trolling or vigilante lynching of users will not be allowed or tolerated.

Go hard on them, go harder and faster and tougher than any other forum has, weed them out, and finally support as you should the company that puts food on your table here (I am talking about the owners). Respect the people who give you a (generous) living. This site used to be making an honest living, and even if it was merely relaying apple news and not actually bringing anything to the table, it was not at least the laughing stock of the apple world. It is now (ask anyone in these forums about the level of discussion here) and you should fix that.
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I can't speak for the ownership here, but I hardly believe MR is the laughing stock of the Apple World (whatever that is). For the most part, members come here seeking help for their issues, advice on their purchases or to discuss the latest rumors. As with any social site, there will be those who abuse their privileges and seek to promote their own agenda. The moderators cannot be everywhere at all times, and we rely on you to report those posts, threads and members.

Before you take things too personally in the Forums, remember, this is the Internet. There are far more important issues in life than what some nameless, faceless person has to say in a random post about your iPhone.
 
bouncer1 said:
And suddenly in a thread where we are discussing how revolutionary the new airs are, and the general direction of apple in the future, there comes a guy, known to troll, and intentionally provokes everyone.
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Can we keep him please? Puuleassse.
 
Eidorian said:
MacRumors is MacRumors and /g/ is /g/. They both have their place. To be honest I suggest that users from here should camp out on /g/ for a dose of terrible reality.

The mods here have enough work to do.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but what is /g/? :confused:
 
rdowns said:
More like the Internet's cesspool.
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Yeah. I just made a trip to that site and without even reading anything on it, just viewing the layout I was instantly annoyed by it. I promptly closed the Safari tab for that site.
 
Everyone has an opinion and everyone has an a**hole (save one of my patients who had undergone a resection for cancer, but I digress). The problem is everyone thinks theirs doesn't stink.

However, there is the sometimes subtle, sometimes obvious baiting that constitutes trolling. Once called out, it would be nice if the "caller" would take the time to report to the mods. Then appropriate action can be taken. If not notified, the mods may not see the thread. If you feel "trolled" then report it. To call it and not report it makes you complicit.
 
eawmp1 said:
However, there is the sometimes subtle, sometimes obvious baiting that constitutes trolling. Once called out, it would be nice if the "caller" would take the time to report to the mods. Then appropriate action can be taken. If not notified, the mods may not see the thread. If you feel "trolled" then report it. To call it and not report it makes you complicit.
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The mods would prefer you not to engage with the "troller" and just report the post if you think it is breaking the forum rules. Calling someone "a troll" is a rule violation in itself, so it may be you that ends up in trouble if you decide to call them out.
 
I have to say that I didn't take the "suspected troll" the OP quotes as a troll at all. He was being critical of Apple and that's OK. I took it that the OP was put off by those comments and didn't want anyone on MR saying negative things about Apple. That of course defeats the purpose of MR and discussion forums in general. If we were only allowed to gush positively about Apple it would be a very boring forum altogether.

I'm obviously quite new here, but if I see someone who appears to be trolling, so far I just ignore the post/thread and move on. I've yet to report anyone thus far and I shall do my best to not fall into the trap of calling out folks who seem to act like a troll; it's not my place to do so. Just as many have already said, us the "contact us" form or the "report" button, that's why they're there.
 
OllyW said:
The mods would prefer you not to engage with the "troller" and just report the post if you think it is breaking the forum rules. Calling someone "a troll" is a rule violation in itself, so it may be you that ends up in trouble if you decide to call them out.
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True but saying ones behavior is trollish is well within the rules. :D
 
Bouncer1 is a MR "expert" ?????

bouncer1 said:
....[snip].... This site used to be making an honest living, and even if it was merely relaying apple news and not actually bringing anything to the table, it was not at least the laughing stock of the apple world. It is now (ask anyone in these forums about the level of discussion here) and you should fix that.
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You've been here for 24 days, and already you're an expert on the history of MacRumors? :confused:

The majority of your recent postings have been nothing less than incendiary and I believe you are guilty of that which you claim to be against.

In the long run, or perhaps much sooner, you will be the cause of your own demise here on MR.

The fact that Arn didn't immediately ban you after bashing him for yesterday's iPhoto '11 update post speaks volumes of the level-headed demeanor of this site's administration, and you should consider yourself extremely lucky that you still have the privilege of posting here (for now). :apple:
 
rdowns said:
More like the Internet's cesspool.
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That would be /b/... /g/ is much different. It would be like comparing a special ed kid vs mid-20s Einstein.

SandboxGeneral said:
Yeah. I just made a trip to that site and without even reading anything on it, just viewing the layout I was instantly annoyed by it. I promptly closed the Safari tab for that site.
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Sure you did....;)
 
OP lost an argument and got ownd. And now he has to make up this thread to whine about it.

You can't tolerate a little bit of criticism? The post you call as trolling is just a person expressing his own opinions. Your response to it, however, is very clearly trolling. And I am very glad you were reprimanded for it.

The mods are doing an excellent job. Since MR is a mac forum, one might expect this mods to be heavily Apple oriented. However, this is not the case. They are fair and just. And this one of the things I love about MR.

MR is not a place to blindly worship the mac gods. It is a public forum. People will have differing opinions. The point of a public forum is to discuss, compare and criticize. If everyone just agreed with each other, then there would be nothing to talk about.

If you cannot tolerate an opinion different from your own, then you don't have to. You are free to leave.
 
SandboxGeneral said:
Yeah. I just made a trip to that site and without even reading anything on it, just viewing the layout I was instantly annoyed by it. I promptly closed the Safari tab for that site.
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This was a good story. Demonstrates why 4chan is able to keep certain people out without needing user names, passwords, invites etc.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)

Ehh, but that doesn't really look like trolling to me too.
 
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