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Very pissed with Apple about unlocked X

So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
 
macbook123 said:
So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
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1) The unlocked has Qualcomm, so it will shine mostly in low signal areas. Otherwise, hardly noticeable as the Qualcomm is missing the antennas all the other phones with the X16 modem have.

2) The unlocked will work with every carrier. The AT&T Intel model will work with GSM only carriers. So that rules out any and all CDMA carriers and their subsidiaries.
 
macbook123 said:
So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
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I'm surprised you didn't know about this "unlocked" version of the iPhones. This was a huge discussion here with the 4S when those phones were locked and people had to call in to get them unlocked after the 2-year contract.

If you look at my signature, I was locked to Sprint with the 4S, which is why when I bought the 5S, I made sure to buy Sim-Free.
 
I got mine on launch day as well expecting it to be hard to get for months and months, or so we all thought. I sold my AT&T X for $1k and bought the SIM Free version, if I opt to get next years 5.8 inch model I will just wait for SIM free. It does suck but really there isn’t any reason they couldn’t have offered it on launch day as they did with the 8/8Plus but they too may have expected the lead times to remain for a while as well then suddenly they weren’t.
 
macbook123 said:
So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
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1. Yes.

2. Yes.
 
macbook123 said:
So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
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Lmao.

Apple didn’t make you do anything. As others have pointed out, it’s a known issue— att and T-Mobile are gsm and Verizon and sprint is gsm/cdma.

But it really doesn’t matter.

Unless you’re planning to use your iPhone extensively in china, your att phone will work just fine everywhere else in the world. Most networks are on gsm and you shouldn’t have a problem.
 
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rainafterthesun said:
Lmao.

Apple didn’t make you do anything. As others have pointed out, it’s a known issue— att and T-Mobile are gsm and Verizon and sprint is gsm/cdma.

But it really doesn’t matter.

Unless you’re planning to use your iPhone extensively in china, your att phone will work just fine everywhere else in the world. Most networks are on gsm and you shouldn’t have a problem.
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Turn down the arrogance, will you? If Apple would have transparently told me (and everyone) that an unlocked version of the phone with better chipset will be sold a month after the original launch date, I (and I'm certain many others) would have waited for that unlocked version. An ethical company does not trick its customers into buying an inferior product. I did *not* know that this is a common occurrence -- it has never happened with *any* of the seven Android phones I've bought over the last several years, and I had no way of knowing (short of browsing forums, which really shouldn't a necessary prequel for buying a product) that Apple would do something like this. It astonishes me that you don't realize that you've drunk the kool aid when you claim it is somehow my responsibility to research and rule out that the company will trick me into buying a product that is outdated after one month.

Thanks for the second part of your response, it's good to know that it will work alright in most parts of the world (be it without full performance of the Qualcomm chip).
 
macbook123 said:
So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
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After five pages of posts pointing out you screwed yourself, no one else, isn’t it embarrassing to continue the victim card?
 
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We all should just be able to buy or IUP a sim-free model on day one with no ties to any carrier. We don't benefit from the carrier options, in fact many get charged an upgrade fee.

The one single version of the phone should have the very best chipset available. We are paying over $1000.00 for the darn thing.
 
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macbook123 said:
Turn down the arrogance, will you? If Apple would have transparently told me (and everyone) that an unlocked version of the phone with better chipset will be sold a month after the original launch date, I (and I'm certain many others) would have waited for that unlocked version. An ethical company does not trick its customers into buying an inferior product. I did *not* know that this is a common occurrence -- it has never happened with *any* of the seven Android phones I've bought over the last several years, and I had no way of knowing (short of browsing forums, which really shouldn't a necessary prequel for buying a product) that Apple would do something like this. It astonishes me that you don't realize that you've drunk the kool aid when you claim it is somehow my responsibility to research and rule out that the company will trick me into buying a product that is outdated after one month.

Thanks for the second part of your response, it's good to know that it will work alright in most parts of the world (be it without full performance of the Qualcomm chip).
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I’ll tone down if you tone down, your self righteousness.

It’s always been this way.

Last years iphone was like this.

I’m not sure how you don’t get that...
 
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We all should just be able to buy or IUP a sim-free model on day one with no ties to any carrier. We don't benefit from the carrier options, in fact many get charged an upgrade fee.

The one single version of the phone should have the very best chipset available. We are paying over $1000.00 for the darn thing.
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While that’s good in its premise, it’s not Apples fault that Qualcomm abuses their power in being the only manufacturer of cdma radios and overcharging their customers for using them just because they can. Apple doesn’t want to play their games anymore neither does Samsung. It should be a price based on cost of the radio not the price of the phone. Most Android manufacturers have no choice at all since Qualcomm won’t allow Samsung to even sell their own chips to anybody else. Qualcomm wants every single phone to only use their chips and sues when anybody does something else. Apple is suing them, along with the FTC, EU, China and Korea.
 
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rainafterthesun said:
Lmao.

Apple didn’t make you do anything. As others have pointed out, it’s a known issue— att and T-Mobile are gsm and Verizon and sprint is gsm/cdma.

But it really doesn’t matter.

Unless you’re planning to use your iPhone extensively in china, your att phone will work just fine everywhere else in the world. Most networks are on gsm and you shouldn’t have a problem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CDMA2000_networks

It's more than just China.
 
They did it because of people around the world line up in USA to buy it back to theirr own country to sell ( US is the cheaper )

Require a USA carrier account and lock the phone is make sense for me

My city can walk in to buy iphone x since the first day because of this, I saw alot of Chinese got kick out by apple because they don't have a carrier account
 
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Turn down the arrogance, will you? If Apple would have transparently told me (and everyone) that an unlocked version of the phone with better chipset will be sold a month after the original launch date, I (and I'm certain many others) would have waited for that unlocked version. An ethical company does not trick its customers into buying an inferior product. I did *not* know that this is a common occurrence -- it has never happened with *any* of the seven Android phones I've bought over the last several years, and I had no way of knowing (short of browsing forums, which really shouldn't a necessary prequel for buying a product) that Apple would do something like this. It astonishes me that you don't realize that you've drunk the kool aid when you claim it is somehow my responsibility to research and rule out that the company will trick me into buying a product that is outdated after one month.
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I think you are over-reacting. Apple did not trick you and did not release a better model a month later. From a hardware standpoint, the sim-free model is the same as the Verizon/Sprint model that was released on day one. Since you stood in line and paid full price you could have gotten the unlocked Verizon model which is basically what you are calling the “better” variant.

Honestly both phones are gonna perform about the same, with the A1865 possibly holding onto reception on the fringes. I’ve had both models and the worst experience with either was actually with the Qualcomm modem, as it held onto the antenna signal with EDGE on T-Mobile while I was walking out of a parking structure. I haven’t seen EDGE on any phone for a few years now. It took a bit before it switched back to LTE even after manually switching airplane mode on and off. When I had the A1901 model in the same location never experienced that ever.
 
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macbook123 said:
Turn down the arrogance, will you? If Apple would have transparently told me (and everyone) that an unlocked version of the phone with better chipset will be sold a month after the original launch date, I (and I'm certain many others) would have waited for that unlocked version. An ethical company does not trick its customers into buying an inferior product. I did *not* know that this is a common occurrence -- it has never happened with *any* of the seven Android phones I've bought over the last several years, and I had no way of knowing (short of browsing forums, which really shouldn't a necessary prequel for buying a product) that Apple would do something like this. It astonishes me that you don't realize that you've drunk the kool aid when you claim it is somehow my responsibility to research and rule out that the company will trick me into buying a product that is outdated after one month.

Thanks for the second part of your response, it's good to know that it will work alright in most parts of the world (be it without full performance of the Qualcomm chip).
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Apple has released a SIM-free multiple carrier model one month after initial release since the iPhone 5s. It’s nothing new. There is nothing “outdated” about your iPhone X. It is the exact same model sold in Europe and the Middle East. The only places the Qualcomm phones are sold are countries with CDMA networks.
 
Never understood this every year. You can buy a full priced phone at launch and it does the same thing an unlocked marked phone does, the only difference being one box has a sim in it and the other has no sim and has a pin to eject the sim card tray. Why is this so hard to understand when this has been the case for years?
 
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macbook123 said:
Turn down the arrogance, will you? If Apple would have transparently told me (and everyone) that an unlocked version of the phone with better chipset will be sold a month after the original launch date, I (and I'm certain many others) would have waited for that unlocked version. An ethical company does not trick its customers into buying an inferior product. I did *not* know that this is a common occurrence -- it has never happened with *any* of the seven Android phones I've bought over the last several years, and I had no way of knowing (short of browsing forums, which really shouldn't a necessary prequel for buying a product) that Apple would do something like this. It astonishes me that you don't realize that you've drunk the kool aid when you claim it is somehow my responsibility to research and rule out that the company will trick me into buying a product that is outdated after one month.

Thanks for the second part of your response, it's good to know that it will work alright in most parts of the world (be it without full performance of the Qualcomm chip).
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Maybe it is time to go back to Android? I got to tell you, there are tons of people looking to ride Apple's ass around these forums for lots of things, but you just aren't getting support here from anyone for the most part that you got screwed. What exactly is your hunt? Are you moving to China? The modem things is minimal and the unlocked thing is debatable on the value. Again, feel free to sell your X and go back to Android. There are lots of more important things to b!tch about with Apple.
 
ZipZap said:
We all should just be able to buy or IUP a sim-free model on day one with no ties to any carrier. We don't benefit from the carrier options, in fact many get charged an upgrade fee.

The one single version of the phone should have the very best chipset available. We are paying over $1000.00 for the darn thing.
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While I agree that there should be a single chipset iPhone available, I completely disagree on buying IUP on day one. Apple is not the only one doing this; many manufactures do the same thing. Try to buy Tesla Model 3? Good luck with that, or some Ferrari's - even if you have money wont be able to buy the exact thing you want. Try to get good concert or game tickets? That is how the live goes. While it is not fair, it is what it is.
 
well i personally bought the verizon X paid full at apple store a week before the sim free came out but technically its the same phone and now im using it on straight talk(att) no problem at all.
but i need some clarification about the definition of sim free outside the US like in canada europe asia etc.so in canada which model they are selling as simfree?how about in the uk and so on.
 
macbook123 said:
So can anyone here say with confidence whether:

1. The new unlocked iPhone X has a superior chipset to my AT&T phone?

2. The new unlocked iPhone X works on more carriers than my AT&T one?

If nobody can answer these with confidence, I’m not going to assume that Apple screwed me into buying an inferior phone.
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I can say "with confidence" that the AT&T unlocked iPhone X works in 50 countries, whereas the Verizon/Sprint/CDMA model will work in only 9. Which one is inferior?

https://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/#iphone-X
 
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