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VESA Approves Apple's Mini DisplayPort Standard
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My understanding was that Lightpeak carries the digital signaling on behalf of the other standard. Instead of having it's own signaling standard to suit the application at hand, i understand UWB shortrange wireless is the same. So Lightpeak doesn't replace Display port in becomes a pseudo part of each standard it carries.
Lightpeak seems best suited to longer range applications so a whole farm of blades in a server room with LP out to the monitors on peoples desks, so the monitor can act as a LP hub and break out connections for second Monitor maybe, plus keyboard, mouse portable hard drive,...., with those connections still wired by the current standards. So the monitor which will always need decent power can power those devices as well.
Yeah. I didn't it as a standard. I wasn't clear on that. Light Peak was designed to be compatible with all modern digital standards is what I understood. But what I actually meant is instead of arguing over all these different connectors, just throw a few optical ports on the inside and outside, and let Light Peak do the rest.
Light Peak has the potential to not only make computers much cheaper to build and therefore purchase, but also virtually eliminate all bottlenecks.
But that's just my understanding. The info is still in the sketchy stage.
My MBox certainly isn't an amateur's tool - it does exactly what it's intended for, and records 2 channels of audio quickly, and easily.
My Roland UA-16DX is a great little desk for recording 16 channels reasonably latency free into logic over USB2.0 and makes a more than capable digital live desk for small pub-style gigs.
However, any kit I use when not on the move is FireWire connected, or in a nice 19" Rack with a C|24 and 24 channels - I just tend to hire a studio for £10 per hour with a Pro Tools HD3 setup and a boat load of TDM plugins, as well as a nice Mac Pro to track it all on; a far better economy than purchasing all that kit!
Once I've mixed down the TDM stuff, my MacBook and MBox is perfectly suited to tweaking around anything that's RTAS.
Oh, and strike1555.... Oh Dear me...
Whilst I'm typing this out, I may as well post something on-topic:
I'd love to see an HDMI port driving 2 monitors...
and ok, you may have to spend £11 on a mDP - VGA/HDMI/DVI dongle, but I'd much rather that than have a VGA port on the side of my Notebook; and as for Apple creating a 'dead standard' with mDP, I do believe the new Dell Adamo MacBook Air-a-like sports a mDP....My MBox certainly isn't an amateur's tool - it does exactly what it's intended for, and records 2 channels of audio quickly, and easily.
My Roland UA-16DX is a great little desk for recording 16 channels reasonably latency free into logic over USB2.0 and makes a more than capable digital live desk for small pub-style gigs.
However, any kit I use when not on the move is FireWire connected, or in a nice 19" Rack with a C|24 and 24 channels - I just tend to hire a studio for £10 per hour with a Pro Tools HD3 setup and a boat load of TDM plugins, as well as a nice Mac Pro to track it all on; a far better economy than purchasing all that kit!
Once I've mixed down the TDM stuff, my MacBook and MBox is perfectly suited to tweaking around anything that's RTAS.
Oh, and strike1555.... Oh Dear me...
Whilst I'm typing this out, I may as well post something on-topic:
I'd love to see an HDMI port driving 2 monitors...
Yet, the "Mbox Pro" is firewire... As is the 003....
uh no, you're completely and utterly wrong... firewire is STILL the fastest way for computers to transfer data to an external HDD.. firewire 800 (which every iMac since 2007 has on it, and every modern MacBook Pro and Mac Pro) is MUCH faster than USB 2.0 so no... firewire has not failed... unfortunately it was not as widely adopted as USB but that by no means constitutes failure.
The word "Mini".RMo said:
Afraid not. Read the summary: it says VESA has just announced the inclusion MiniDisplay Port specifications "as part of the DisplayPort 1.1a standard." I'm just wondering how, when they were supposedly done almost two years ago. (An amendment, perhaps?)
Firewire is only faster in large fill transfer. USB is faster for burst transfer but can not keep the that high speed going for very long. Firewire can keep hold a faster data transfer rate.
Firewire was not that much better over USB for most things, It requried a larger connector and my understanding was the licensing was a lot higher than USB and the cost to put firewire in way to high to justify its cost over USB.
USB won out. Firewire failed for a long list of reasons but it boils down to cost. Just like how Beta vs VHS. Beta was better but not enough to justify its cost.
The difference is that with the introduction of vhs, betamax died... firewire is still being put into millions of computers worldwide... so while one could argue that it lost to usb... to say it failed or died is just not true. for what it was designed for, it succeeded.
You clearly don't have the FOGGIEST idea what's in the adapters that you're complaining about. It's not like the old MiniDVI ports, which had the analog video on some of the pins and just needed to connect them to the right pins on the VGA connector. The mDP to VGA adapter is taking 10Gbps serial data, deserializing it, converting it to analog R/G/B signals and generating the correct timing signals for VGA. It's like saying, "why does a hard drive cost so much, it's just some platters with wires connected to them!"
sure is but what computers come with an external eSATA port? im sure there are some but i dont know of them, also do many external hdd's have eSATA interfaces? I wish more computers DID have the eSATA port but well.. they dont.
Maybe before posting you should do some homework
Quick test for you.
Q: Put a HD with USB and run a cable for 15 meters to your laptop and see if it works!!!!
A: USB's electrical design doesn't allow it. When USB was designed, a decision was made to handle the propagation of electromagnetic fields on USB data lines in a way that limited the maximum length of a USB cable to something in the range of 4m. This method has a number of advantages and, since USB is intended for a desktop environment, the range limitations were deemed acceptable.
Same question for Firewire 800
A:FireWire 800 (Apple's name for the 9-circuit "S800 bilingual" version of the IEEE 1394b standard) This specification and corresponding products allow a transfer rate of 786.432 Mbit/s full-duplex via a new encoding scheme termed beta mode.The full IEEE 1394b specification supports data rates up to 3200 Mbit/s (i.e. 400 megabytes/s) over beta-mode or optical connections up to 100 metres (110 yd) in length. Standard Category 5e unshielded twisted pair supports 100 metres (330 ft) at S100. The original 1394 and 1394a standards used data/strobe (D/S) encoding (renamed to alpha mode) on the circuits, while 1394b adds a data encoding scheme called 8B10B referred to as beta mode.
p.s.
FW800 and USB 2.0 used as they are the current connections available
Now that this thread has gone totally off topic,
A cool thing about firewire is that unlike USB all of the data that moves through it doesnt have to be processed through your CPU so you could be transferring many many gigs of data over firewire yet your computer would not be working nearly as hard as if it was doing that over USB.
A cool thing about firewire is that unlike USB all of the data that moves through it doesnt have to be processed through your CPU so you could be transferring many many gigs of data over firewire yet your computer would not be working nearly as hard as if it was doing that over USB.
Oh wow, yah, I didn't realize that. Well, we need to light a fire under apple's butt to make this happen... I'd love a display port to HDMI cable...
And thanks for this
I've been considering moving back to a PC lately, so if I do, maybe I'll use this option...
No prob.
If you're curious, I use an ATI 4890. It comes with the appropriate DVI-HDMI dongle to get audio out of it, but you still need an HDMI cable. I'm sure other ATI cards support this sort of thing, I'm just not sure which.
Maybe before posting you should do some homework
Quick test for you.
Q: Put a HD with USB and run a cable for 15 meters to your laptop and see if it works!!!!
*snip all the crap*
Maybe you should take your own advice and do your own homework - LOL. A USB cable can be extended via active hubs. I am currently running 32 feet via two daisy chained splitters form my server to my dock.
*facepalm* I have never seen anybody fail as much as you. Firewire is completely dead as seen in the market.
eSATA is much faster (it is exactly the same 3/1.5 Gbps SATA protocol used with internal drives, just with connectors improved for external use and higher performance cables that can go for 2m).
eSATA is also fairly common on midrange and above laptops and desktops. It seems that only one major vendor sells no eSATA systems.
HDMI can't do that. Neither can VGA or DVI, because all three are protocols that are stuck in the 60s. This is the entire point of DisplayPort. It's packet based. It can do all kinds of magic.
Firewire is flat out faster.
USB won because it was cheap. The chips for USB devices are cheaper, and I don't know if there is any licensing, but that could be a factor. But that doesn't mean FW is dead. FW is still around, and they are still making computers and devices with it. It's clearly not as common as USB, but it is better for some things, like anything realtime (audio or video) and is a little faster for hard drives (and FW 800 is nearly 3x as fast as USB for hard drives). Camcorders used to only have FW to get video off them. That's because tape-based camcorders played video back in realtime, and Firewire was the only thing that could guarantee that transfer rate so there were no dropped frames. Now that a lot more camcorders store data on disks or flash memory, they can use USB. Camcorder makers want to use USB because it's cheaper and more common, and consumers want USB because it is easier to find a computer with USB. As a result, there is decreasing demand for FW because it is no longer required for what used to be one of its main applications (camcorders).
FW 800 never took off. It is probably more expensive than FW400. FW3200 is probably already dead since USB 3 already has an advantage in terms of backwards compatibility and Light Peak is technically better than both of them.
USB is limited to 30m with 5 active hubs. Lightpeak should be good up to kilometers.
I really wish Apple would add an eSATA port. They could make it a combo USB/eSATA port, so they wouldn't even need to increase the number of ports.
Does that mean Apple is dead as they only have 3.5% of the market?
Apple pulls a profit...firewire loses more money than it gains.
Stupidity is as rampant as lack of economic knowledge these days....
What problem is mini displayport trying to solve? Displayport connectors are too large? It's the size of an HDMI port, which is hardly cumbersome for anything larger than a Blackberry. Why are the R&D and implementation costs warranted for mini displayport? Surely financial and human resources could be put to better use.
1. Push new technology
2. Pay for said technology to be approved as a "Standard".
3. ????
4. Collect fees (or PROFIT!!!)
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Erm what planet are you from, is it in the Troll galaxy.
Firewire may have been usurped for many of the general consumers needs by USB 2, but there is still a sizable market in Video, Audio, Scanners, Cameras, Video Decks and HDs.
P.S the PS2 had Firewire, and that sold about 138 million, so I'm afraid you fail epic style for your inane comments, as until something better comes out (not USB 3) firewire will still have a chunk of the peripheral market for many end users.
P.P.S Please explain citing references how "firewire loses more money than it gains", oh let me guess you can't, you just pulled that line out of your...
N.B. I will concede that mLAN failed, which was a shame, but I don't think that Yamaha pushed it enough.
This guy does a good deal on 3rd party adapters for Australian consumers
http://www.cp-design.com.au/pages/cablesformac.html