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Videora?? Handbrake should give you an .mp4 files that's perfectly usable by iTunes. Just drag-and-drop into iTunes. You shouldn't need another step, and maybe that's causing problems.

If that doesn't fix your "color blocks" issue, try increasing the bitrate to 900 or 1000kbps. Annoyingly, encoding seems to be as much art as science, and one setting that makes one thing look great may not be enough for another.

I tried just drag and dropping in itunes and nothing happens. Seems the only way I can get them to work is through Videora.

I just converted Labyrinth, and noticed its squashed, people are skinny etc. Why is this happening? It is a widescreen movie. But, how do I get it to not be squashed? I also noticed after looking at Harry Potter again that its the same way. ???

EDIT: Just converted Finding Nemo again using Handbrake and it finished normally and did drag and drop into itunes. It worked! I think the others didn't work because they didn't finish completely or they were in h.265 format. I used mpeg4 this time. The movie looks tons better using 1000kpbs.

Now I just need to find out why the widescreen movies are coming out squashed ??
 
i noticed that handbrake does convert .avi files, does anyone know of a free program that runs on xp that can efficiently convert .avi to h264 without a watermark?

thanks
 
i noticed that handbrake does convert .avi files, does anyone know of a free program that runs on xp that can efficiently convert .avi to h264 without a watermark?

thanks

Check & see if iSquint is available on Win. It claims to do avi-to-H264 (haven't tried yet).
 
Interrupting conversions in HandBrake

EDIT: Just converted Finding Nemo again using Handbrake and it finished normally and did drag and drop into itunes. It worked! I think the others didn't work because they didn't finish completely or they were in h.265 format. I used mpeg4 this time. The movie looks tons better using 1000kpbs.

If you want to stop a Handbrake conversion and check out the results, you need to hit cancel, because it's gotta write some stuff to the final file.

If you just quit Handbrake or it errors out somehow, the video won't be properly encoded.
 
why does quicktime re-encode?

I've used handbrake. I prefer isquint which is free. But overall I think Quicktime Pro does a pretty decent job thought its awfully slow.
I like handbrake, but it doesn't allow one to specify a clip outside of the structure already existing in the video folder on the DVD.

On my older G4, it took quite a few hours to make an iPod friendly version of "Rocky & Bulwinkle Episode 1." Trouble is I don't really care for Rocky & Bullwinkle that much and just wanted to get at the "Peabody's Improbably History" bit in the middle.

Handbrake did a great job, but lacking any tools to crop the crop the video (and thus get at the bit I want), I tried using Quicktime Pro to crop it. Trouble with that is, that "saving" flattens the file to *.mov and "exporting" re-encodes it so that it ends up looking like the worst youtube video imaginable. I am picking really standard *.mp4 output settings on the export and being as minimal as possible, but it still ruins the quality of the clip.

Does anyone know how to clip out a section of an MP4 with Quicktime Pro without re-encoding the result? I've tried "Save, Share, and Export" and none of them seem to be able to do this simple task.
 
Veteran Encoder Notes & Recommendations

As a newcomer to video on iPods, I've been experimenting with Handbrake. Much of the specifics on MR's guide to "ripping video to iPod" relates to 5G iPods, older versions of Quicktime and Handbrake, and is outdated (although the general procedure is good). The Handbrake forums themselves are too complicated.

With some useful advice from others here, I've run a few tests, and have some thoughts & advice to share (EDIT: This is all starting from the "iPhone" preset, and playing with settings from that):

-Bitrates: 1000kbps bitrate seems to deliver very good quality on the Touch. In fact, it puts my TV and eMac to shame. Higher bitrates = higher file sizes. I was doing 2000kbps, but cut file sizes almost in half - at little/no quality loss - by going down to 1000kbps.

-H.264 vs. Mpeg-4: I'd say use Mpeg-4. The advantage of H.264 is apparently that it's a newer & higher-quality encoder. However, Mpeg-4 (single pass) already looks excellent to me. Worse, H.264 files can take three times as long to encode. Worst, H.264 files, at the same bitrate, are larger than Mpeg-4s, at least in my tests. If Mpeg-4 looks great and takes less time and space, why not stick with it?

-1- versus 2-pass: Many say doing a 2-pass encode for Mpeg-4 will make it look even better. Importantly, 2-pass does not make the filesize any bigger. It may take 50% longer or more to encode, but still not as long as H.264. Speaking of H.264, if you are using it, most say it doesn't benefit from a 2nd pass.

This is all info based on my experiences. Your mileage may vary; in particular, if you have an Intel Mac, encode times are much shorter than with PPCs, making H.264 more feasible in that regard.

Still, I hope all of this is useful - particularly if (like me) you're going to batch-encode lots of TV episodes and want the settings right first.
Good tips. Here's how I encode EyeTV Recordings now.

1. Rip DVD Image in Toast 8 with settings all set to minimum compression - max quality.
2. Handbrake 9 on the image - 2 Pass, 29.97 fps, mp4 H.264, iPod Basic

40 minute one hour shows minus commercials - I encode at a 350MB target file that yiedls a little over 1Kbps bitrate. This way I don't have the H264 bloat you mentioned. But the images are slightly smoother and less boxy if you know what I mean. I test my macro interpolation on a 30" display. So going up from 624x352 2 pass H264 targeted at 350 MB (1206 kbps total including 128 audio) to 2560x1446 (letterbox on 1600 vertical) and still looking good is my test of success. Just did a Smallville 16:9 SD encode from a letterbox original and it looks amazingly good on the big screen thanks to H264.

I have only just now started using H264 because I have a 2.66 GHz Quad Mac Pro now. I agree H264 takes way longer even on the G5 Quad. But the quality is much better. Now that Handbrake 9 is so much faster - due to the fact that it is now fully multithreaded it's worth it. Can't wait to see how it does on an 8 Core Mac Pro - waiting for Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg.

Anyone using Handbrake on an 8 core with nothing else running? If so, does it use all 8 cores @ up to 320 fps or more?

If you don't have a Quad anything, I'd say skip H264. But the one exception might be the new 2.8 GHz C2D iMac although I don't have any tests about how fast it is at Handbrake encodes of any type.

For HD 16x9 I use 624 x 352 maximum iPod compatible dimensions so they will interpolate up to a TV best.

For SD 4x3 I use 544 x 400 also maximum iPod compatible dimension so they will interpolate up to a TV best.

Anything SD I put at 800 kbps or less.

Cartoons like Simpsons and South Park I target file at 100 MB per 20 minute show edit. It's about 500 kbps and looks fine.

Handbrake 9 has an idiosyncrasy that requires you to hit the ENTER key after entering in a target size then switching to bit-rate and back to the target size before the target size bit-rate will appear correctly in grey in the bit-rate window.

If you have a G5 Quad and can stop all other processes - mail is a core hog so you must quit mail to get another core to work for you, Handbrake will use all 4 cores. But I agree that the Mac Pro is much faster. First pass of two pass on the Mac Pro analyses at the rate of 160 fps compared to about 50-60 fps on the Quad G5.

I always use 2 pass because the analysis done on the first pass insures the best possible encode on the second pass.

You guys know how to crop a show properly right? You've got to go in and set your 624x352 then uncheck keep aspect ratio box just in case your crop might throw that off. Then make sure you remove any noise you see in the sample stills - particularly on top and the left side where they are more often to appear. Also when you are blowing up a 16x9 letterbox, make sure you crop carefully AFTER you've approximated the size and deselected the aspect ratio box. While the aspect ratio may appear correct before you press the close button - which is really the SAVE button - it sometimes changes after you press close if that box is checked. That is why it's a good rule to deselect it every time. That way it won't change no matter what you do in custom crop.
 
I like handbrake, but it doesn't allow one to specify a clip outside of the structure already existing in the video folder on the DVD.

On my older G4, it took quite a few hours to make an iPod friendly version of "Rocky & Bulwinkle Episode 1." Trouble is I don't really care for Rocky & Bullwinkle that much and just wanted to get at the "Peabody's Improbably History" bit in the middle.

Handbrake did a great job, but lacking any tools to crop the crop the video (and thus get at the bit I want), I tried using Quicktime Pro to crop it. Trouble with that is, that "saving" flattens the file to *.mov and "exporting" re-encodes it so that it ends up looking like the worst youtube video imaginable. I am picking really standard *.mp4 output settings on the export and being as minimal as possible, but it still ruins the quality of the clip.

Does anyone know how to clip out a section of an MP4 with Quicktime Pro without re-encoding the result? I've tried "Save, Share, and Export" and none of them seem to be able to do this simple task.


Hmm...my best, instant advice hinges on a question: are you going to keep this clip on your Touch on a semi-permanent basis - that is, is file size a problem?

If you want it for a one-off/won't keep (on the iPod) forever, just do an MPEG-4 encode - goes much, much quicker on a G4. You'll need a higher bitrate & thus file size - but it's faster. To your main question, Handbrake keeps chapter markers within the video. If the Peabody bit in the middle has a marker, you can just tap the "forward" button until it comes up. SO: you'd have a bigger & unedited file, but could just skip to what you want, & encode it quickly.


IF THIS is something you want longer-term...that's a harder question. You might try to figure out which part of the Video_TS folder (you ARE using MacTheRipper first, right?) has the episode in question. Then, you may be able to open & edit that with iMovie (or iDVD??). At that point, you'll still have a valid Video_TS source for Handbrake to convert - you'll have done the crop pre-convert instead of post-, and saved the re-compression hassle.

But I have no idea on that last thought - it's pure speculation. Anyone else?
 
This thread is complex, both technically and in terms of everyone's divergent priorities. I won't claim any advanced technical knowledge about video encoding, but I've been testing various Handbrake settings too and here is what I've come to prefer:

I start by selecting the iPod Hi-Res preset because it establishes a 640x352 output (more on this below), but then I lower the average bitrate from 1600 to 1000kbps. I agree with the general feeling that 1600 is major overkill, but I disagree that 1000kbps is. (I've tested the same movie on 600 vs. 1000kbps and there is a noticeable difference between them in terms of picture sharpness, especially when you zoom in. Furthermore, with all of the earlier iPT screen problems, I'm admittedly paranoid about picture quality.) I keep the codec on H.264 and I do 2-pass, turbo-first pass. This works well. Average file size for a 1hr. 40min. movie: about 800mb.

I use the 640x352 output because, even though the iPT screen is only 480x320, when you zoom in you essentially increase the picture size to something like 749x320 (while cutting off the edges). This is why 640x352 is not an excessive output size.

Encoding time is long (about the same as the playing time for each movie), but I have an Intel MacBook, so it's not as insane as the some of the times others have reported.
 
I use the 640x352 output because, even though the iPT screen is only 480x320, when you zoom in you essentially increase the picture size to something like 749x320 (while cutting off the edges). This is why 640x352 is not an excessive output size.

Whatever floats your boat on bitrates - 600kbps is fine for me (and gives good file sizes so I can pack it on), but you're fine to prefer more.

What I can't understand is why you'd set the image dimensions larger than the screen resolution? I don't get your comment about zooming in. If your video is sized to match the screen, you shouldn't need to zoom in on anything.

I also don't follow how zooming in on a 640 x 352 would result in an image smaller on one dimension - 749 x 320.

Seems to me that you should scale the video down to within 480 x 320 (unless you're watching it on something else), with a commensurate reduction in file size.
 
Larger Dimensions Are For HDTV Display & Apple TV

Whatever floats your boat on bitrates - 600kbps is fine for me (and gives good file sizes so I can pack it on), but you're fine to prefer more.

What I can't understand is why you'd set the image dimensions larger than the screen resolution? I don't get your comment about zooming in. If your video is sized to match the screen, you shouldn't need to zoom in on anything.

I also don't follow how zooming in on a 640 x 352 would result in an image smaller on one dimension - 749 x 320.

Seems to me that you should scale the video down to within 480 x 320 (unless you're watching it on something else), with a commensurate reduction in file size.
I use the maximum dimensions so the recording can interpolate up to a HDTV display well from a Mac or from Apple TV. I am not only encoding for a portable media player (PMP). But I want PMP compatibility. I agree with tmmaec that 1Kbps is best compromise between smaller size and good looking. I target 50% of a CD (350 MB) for TV shows (net about 42 min) or 100% of a CD (700 MB) for movies.

I did not know about the iPod Hi-Res preset. I'll have to try that one.

BTW FYI you can easily hose a Quad Mac Pro by running TWO instances of Handbrake simultaneously and maybe even only one. Anyone who doesn't think they need 8 cores who is using Handbrake is kidding themselves. I'm running TWO instances of Handbrake right now on a Quad Mac Pro and instead of each one using 4 cores like they do alone, each now can only use 2. If that isn't proof 8 cores are a mainstream need, I don't know what is. Moreover, Handbrake MAY use ALL 8 Cores with ONE instance. It is now a truly multithreaded application. It uses all 4 cores on both a Quad G5 PM and a Quad MP. The 2.66 GHz Dual Woodcrest Quad MP encodes TWICE as fast as the 2.5 GHz Quad G5 PM.

Does anyone here run Handbrake on an 8 Core Mac Pro who can tell us if it does indeed use all 8 cores when run alone?
 
i noticed that handbrake does convert .avi files, does anyone know of a free program that runs on xp that can efficiently convert .avi to h264 without a watermark?

thanks

Did you try Mediacoder ?

http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net

This is windows only and a freeware. It can convert any audio/video format to anything you want. It has nice extensions for ipod and lots of other mobile devices. I wish it has a mac version.
 
Thanks for the reply, but I think I am already doing all you suggest.
Hmm...my best, instant advice hinges on a question: are you going to keep this clip on your Touch on a semi-permanent basis - that is, is file size a problem?
File size is not a problem.
If you want it for a one-off/won't keep (on the iPod) forever, just do an MPEG-4 encode - goes much, much quicker on a G4. You'll need a higher bitrate & thus file size - but it's faster. To your main question, Handbrake keeps chapter markers within the video. If the Peabody bit in the middle has a marker, you can just tap the "forward" button until it comes up. SO: you'd have a bigger & unedited file, but could just skip to what you want, & encode it quickly.
Unfortunately, the Rocky and Bullwinkle disc has no chapter markings within the show, at least they did not come out when I used handbrake and they usually do as you say.

My problem was I was selecting the bit in the middle of the resulting *.MP4 that I wanted (Peabody), and then "exporting" using the MPEG-4 encoder. This is because "saving" the file turns it into a flat *MOV file, and "Sharing" give me no useable options either.

Even when I try to match the MPEG-4 settings exactly to be the same as the *MP4 file I am working with, it still somehow re-encodes it and degrades the quality significantly.

All I need is a simple (free) way to open up an *.MP4 file, make a simple crop, and save it again. Quicktime Pro seems not to be able to do it. Alternatively, if the tool I am using to break the DVD into an MP4 file allowed me to select only a portion of the video source, I would also be okay.
 
Thanks for the reply, but I think I am already doing all you suggest..

What about Part 2 - the (highly speculative) idea to edit the Video_TS folder first using Apple's apps, then encode to .mp4?

Alternatively, if the tool I am using to break the DVD into an MP4 file allowed me to select only a portion of the video source, I would also be okay.

Again, use MacTheRipper to transfer DVD to your hard drive as a Video_TS folder. Then, maybe you can you iMovie/iDVD to open & edit the Video_TS?

All I need is a simple (free) way to open up an *.MP4 file, make a simple crop, and save it again.

Yeah, that's the best solution. I don't know if you can do that with a highly-compressed file like an .MP4, though.

Even when I try to match the MPEG-4 settings exactly to be the same as the *MP4 file I am working with, it still somehow re-encodes it and degrades the quality significantly.

What's probably going on is that, when you try to save, it's basically making an .MP4 of your initial .MP4 - a compression of a compression. Like photocopying a photocopy, you end up with very degraded quality.
 
Handbrake question for Windows.

1.Shall I select 2-pass encoding? I heard it improves quality but stays same size.

2.What Avg Birate should be used? Or just leave blank?

3.What shall I type in for Width / height? 320 - 240 ?

Thanks XXXXXXXXXXXX :)
 
AAAAAGGGGHHHHHH!:mad:

I received my Touch today, and great amazing product... but NONE of my Movies/TV Shows are syncing to it.

That's just over 4 months (July-Now) wasted on converting them in Handbrake.

All the videos work amazingly on the AppleTV... and I didn't even think about them not being compatible with the Touch.

Here are the settings I've been using. Its Handbrake 0.9.0:

h.264, 640x???, 2000bitrate

Does anyone know why these videos won't work? and What settings should I now start to convert my DVD collection with?

Any and all help appreciated.
 
try a small file size to start with so you dont waste time encoding something that takes ages and might not work , something 2 minutes long and do a trial and error process till you get one that works then make a note of the setting and then you can happily do all your other files that way knowing they will work

i think the size i use in touch is 480x272 at 400kbs in h.264 one pass, that keeps it widesccreen and if i want it full size i just double tap on the touch screen and it resizes to full screen

i am just wondering if your bitrate is to high at 2000kbs i guess that works for apple tv just fine but for iPod Touch seems to high

I use 3GP to encode my vob files and they work great , and you can even edit them in quicktime pro and save them as mp4 or h.264 format

I did a comedy video dvd it was 1hr 36 mins long and it worked out at 369mb in file size using h.264 at 400kbs

If i used the h.264 600kbs it was around 489mb file size

As size is scare on a touch i used the h.264 at 400kbs one but if i get videos off YouTube i do them in h.264 at 600 kbs as they are a lot smaller file size
 
h.264, 640x???, 2000bitrate

2000 kbps is a ridiculously high bitrate even at high resolutions (only used for hdtv).

i.e. james bond-casino royale (135 minutes!) is only 377 mb (383 kbps for audio and video) at 480x208 and looks and sounds great due to quality-based encoding to h.264 with winmenc 0.70 beta. as long as you don't want to show your movies on external devices via tv-out there is no need to use higher resolutions than 480x320.
 
AAAAAGGGGHHHHHH!:mad:

I received my Touch today, and great amazing product... but NONE of my Movies/TV Shows are syncing to it.

That's just over 4 months (July-Now) wasted on converting them in Handbrake.

All the videos work amazingly on the AppleTV... and I didn't even think about them not being compatible with the Touch.

Here are the settings I've been using. Its Handbrake 0.9.0:

h.264, 640x???, 2000bitrate

Does anyone know why these videos won't work? and What settings should I now start to convert my DVD collection with?

Any and all help appreciated.


Although 2000bit rate is way too high for iPod touch, according to Apple official spec, it should allow video of bitrate up to 2.5Mbp, which is 2500. I don't see why it's supported on iPod Touch just b/c of the high bit rate.

Btw, what setting you used to convert these movies?
 
Here's a new question for everyone:

To deinterlace or not???

Lemme know. Time added on a G4 = :( Possible quality added = :confused:
 
what setting you used to convert these movies?

Format: MP4 File
Codecs: H.264

Framrate: Same as Sourse
Encoder: x264

Average bitrate: 2000

Picture Setting: Output: 640x??? (whatever)


I have converted 35 Movies, and 25 TV Series (at 23eps per season = 575episode) and NONE of them work.

WHY? - I thought they would... looks great on AppleTV... but now I want them on my Touch.
 
Although 2000bit rate is way too high for iPod touch, according to Apple official spec, it should allow video of bitrate up to 2.5Mbp, which is 2500. I don't see why it's supported on iPod Touch just b/c of the high bit rate.

Btw, what setting you used to convert these movies?


while i agree with you that in apples spec says it should work i have yet to hear anyone get bitrate that high to work on an ipod touch

i might try later to see if i can really up the settings in gp3 to those specs and use a 2 minute file and see if i can get it to transfer to ipod touch

just wondering what his screen size spec was he says 640 x ???

could the ??? part be the problem ie its not in ratio to the 640

i have seen some use 640 x 352 or around that area but again its never worked in ipod touch for them

i have no doubt the file size will be much bigger and the wait will be a lot longer lol
 
Format: MP4 File
Codecs: H.264

Framrate: Same as Sourse
Encoder: x264

Average bitrate: 2000

Picture Setting: Output: 640x??? (whatever)


I have converted 35 Movies, and 25 TV Series (at 23eps per season = 575episode) and NONE of them work.

WHY? - I thought they would... looks great on AppleTV... but now I want them on my Touch.

I have no idea why it's not working, but try converting a short episode with everything the same, but lower the bitrate and changing frame rate to either 29.97 or 30.

Let me know the result..
 
while i agree with you that in apples spec says it should work i have yet to hear anyone get bitrate that high to work on an ipod touch

i might try later to see if i can really up the settings in gp3 to those specs and use a 2 minute file and see if i can get it to transfer to ipod touch

just wondering what his screen size spec was he says 640 x ???

could the ??? part be the problem ie its not in ratio to the 640

i have seen some use 640 x 352 or around that area but again its never worked in ipod touch for them

i have no doubt the file size will be much bigger and the wait will be a lot longer lol

ya, i suspect the aspect ratio could be the cause as well.. try the standard aspect ratio 640x480 with the same settings and see if it works.
 
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