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I originally thought the same thing yesterday when I first saw the pictures of the new Magic Mouse, that Apple had failed miserably on placing the lightning port under the mouse: the obvious problem being that it inhibits use while it charges.

But then I read about it being able to charge for 9 hours of use from 2 very small minutes. That to me is a great result. And if you think about the time it takes to open the battery slot on the original magic mouse when the batteries have drained, get replacement AA batteries from the desk draw (for me, anyway), then replace the batteries, clip the battery slot back in - that's about a minute or thereabouts. Plus, I then place the drained batteries into the charger and plug it into a power socket (a bit more time, albeit tiny). Not that I've really timed myself doing this but it isn't long, and so waiting 2 minutes for the new Magic Mouse to charge to an acceptable usage amount seems to add only a small amount of time to getting back a nicely charged mouse.

Force Touch inclusion would've been nice, however!

It's not that it inhibits its use, it's just not that, erm, elegant. You have to put the mouse on its back like a drunk turtle to charge it.
 
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Meh. Call me when one of the devices has Touch ID; when the trackpad can be used with a stylus; and the keyboard’s keys are backlit.

I completely agree! The price went almost double, TouchID would have been a no brainer added feature on that trackpad.

I don't know, it sounds good, but do you really want Touch ID data going over Bluetooth?

I'd prefer the sensor directly on the device.

That way you can also use 3rd party keyboards and mice and not miss out on Touch ID.

I don't think laptops or desktops need touchid. Touchid solves a problem on portable devices: it's annoying to type a long complicated password on a touchscreen

Like you I have long passwords (with symbols and capitals mixed in for good measure) - it takes a good few seconds to type. Its slow and a little annoying on both touch screen and keyboard.

I'd love Touch Id on my MacBook - for speeding up website passwords, OS X login and using Apple pay on websites.

Besides it's optional, so you can still use your long typed passwords if you prefer.
 
No one is forcing me however, Apple is forcing customers by not giving a choice. Say magic mouse with AA battery and internal battery support like many other mice have. AA is more convenient because its easy to put new batteries in. You don't have to revert a USB cable to keep it it going. The omission of the power LED is the most ridiculous decision ever made as you need to have your computer active to check the battery status. This is not logical.
Apple isn't forcing anybody to buy what they don't want. If someone feels that this design decision is unacceptable they are perfectly free to not buy it.

If you're so bothered and really really really want an Apple product, I suggest you run out and buy the now-discontinued model while stores still have it.

I really fail to see why you are so bent out of shape over the fact that Apple dared to release a product you don't like.
 
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Apple isn't forcing anybody to buy what they don't want. If someone feels that this design decision is unacceptable they are perfectly free to not buy it. If you're so bothered and really really really want an Apple product, I suggest you run out and buy the now-discontinued model while stores still have it. I really fail to see why you are so bent out of shape over the fact that Apple dared to release a product you don't like.

So consumers are suppose to just accept something with less functionality / features and then be asked to pay more? I compare all Apple products from previous versions and sick to death of Apple removing features because they think it should not exist. General rule of thumb is a product should improve via using existing features and adding to it - not taking it away. Give customers a choice over what power system they want and leave the AA feature but with the rechargeable battery as well.
 
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Honestly, since Tim Cook took over innovation has gone backwards

I agree. I used to love my Apple products & look forward to the updates. Now adays, I find myself getting annoyed when Apple release new products. I am still an Apple Fanboy, but they are making it difficult for me, especially when the competition is doing some pretty impressive things
 
So consumers are suppose to just accept something with less functionality / features and then be asked to pay more? I compare all Apple products from previous versions and sick to death of Apple removing features because they think it should not exist. General rule of thumb is a product should improve via using existing features and adding to it - not taking it away. Give customers a choice over what power system they want and leave the AA feature but with the rechargeable battery as well.

Customers do have a choice. Do not purchase it.
 
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I really fail to see why you are so bent out of shape over the fact that Apple dared to release a product you don't like.

People are used to Apple releasing amazing products. More recently, it seems they have lost their ability to release amazing products. It's annoying when your expect greatness, and are delivered something less than great
 
I've gone through four lightning cables. Two Apple, and two off brand.

One each where the lightning connector 'rotted out', and wouldn't make solid connections, and two that were due to flexing, and possibly shorting out.

A family member had one Apple cord actually get hot enough to burn through the cable jacket. They had a MBP PS have the same ting happen as well.

Poop happens. The Apple cables seem to be a lot better. One ting I started doing was I bought two of the longer Apple cables, and they seem to work a lot better. At least I can rotate my iPad 'upside down' while I'm charging it in bed now, where before I either had to wait, or risk kinking the cable...
 
I'm surprised more people don't miss having the separate number pad. I'd never buy a keyboard without one.

It surprised me too. I got some of the 'skinny' wired keyboards before they were gone for good, and found I used them a lot more than I thought. Didn't miss the keypad at all. Now, on a PeeCee? Yeah, can't see doing without one, and usually don't have to...

But I guess it's what you do with it. An accountant client had to have a USB plug-in keypad for her notebook. Understandably. I showed her how to turn the 'ghosted' numeric keypad on with that model, and she shot me a look... Yeah, it's kinda stupid I agreed... She was ecstatic when the plug-in showed up.
 
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So consumers are suppose to just accept something with less functionality / features and then be asked to pay more? I compare all Apple products from previous versions and sick to death of Apple removing features because they think it should not exist. General rule of thumb is a product should improve via using existing features and adding to it - not taking it away. Give customers a choice over what power system they want and leave the AA feature but with the rechargeable battery as well.
As I've already written (in replies to you), if you don't like it then don't buy it.

Who said you have to accept or buy or use this product? You are the only person making that claim.

Are you aware that you can use any USB or BlueTooth keyboard and mouse with any Mac? They all work just fine and don't even require special software. If you don't like the ones Apple is selling then go to your local computer store or web site and buy one you do like.

I think you just like hearing yourself complain and don't actually have a problem you want to solve. Have fun with that.
 
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Does anyone know if the new Magic mouse has better "right click"-detection? With the previous version, you needed to make sure your fingers weren't resting on the mouse before right clicking, or it would be detected as a left-click.
Just curious, why would you not use two-finger click?
 
People are used to Apple releasing amazing products. More recently, it seems they have lost their ability to release amazing products. It's annoying when your expect greatness, and are delivered something less than great
People's expectations have gotten out of control over the last few years and unfortunately it isn't limited to Apple. In Dutch we'd say that people's toes have gotten longer or their fuse has gotten shorter (aka they get angry rather quickly). People expect to be given a 10kg bar of gold when they hand you $10. That's the main issue. I see it every day in my daily job as a technician. It used to be that things could be done before next week, now they have to be done before yesterday :mad:

I'm surprised more people don't miss having the separate number pad. I'd never buy a keyboard without one.
Those never worked in a putty session so I stopped using the numeric pad. Needing to have the numlock turned on was another annoyance I had (nice way to annoy colleagues btw, turn it off and watch the magic happen). Since I don't use it why would I buy one that still has it. The only thing it does is get in the way of my mouse or my tablet. Not having the numpad there has made my setup far more ergonomic.
 
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People's expectations have gotten out of control over the last few years and unfortunately it isn't limited to Apple. In Dutch we'd say that people's toes have gotten longer or their fuse has gotten shorter (aka they get angry rather quickly). People expect to be given a 10kg bar of gold when they hand you $10. That's the main issue. I see it every day in my daily job as a technician. It used to be that things could be done before next week, now they have to be done before yesterday :mad:
When u are payments by for premium price you would expect better than average products.
 
I'm still using my iPhone 5s and it is my third lighting cable... But I hope this one last longer, as I reinforced the cable with heat shrink tube.

Probably adding PVC, which Apple stopped using for environmental reasons, which leads to cable coatings that are prone to spontaneously biodegrade. My iPhone 4 cable did that to me. It was fine for years, then suddenly became yellow and split open with some blue green goo. Literally disintegrated. Literally. When I brought this up with the Apple store people, they told me the chemistry of the cables was changed and the new ones are specifically less environmentally hostile. The question is, whether or not the new formulation is actually less environmentally hostile or simply appears better until its own toxicity is recognized (because "degrading" plastic is actually the opposite of an environmental safety improvement, as the particulate matter seeps into the environment more easily/quickly the smaller the particles are).
 
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When u are payments by for premium price you would expect better than average products.
Unfortunately people consider 10kg of gold bar to be "average" and $10 to be "premium price" as well as Apple being a huge company with only mythical and magical people. Steve Jobs was some kind of fairy.

Anybody living in the real world sees it as yet another company making consumer electronics. And yes, they are rather good at it.
 
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Does anyone know if the new Magic mouse has better "right click"-detection? With the previous version, you needed to make sure your fingers weren't resting on the mouse before right clicking, or it would be detected as a left-click.

I hate that. In fact, the Mighty Mouse regularly misinterprets the clicks and often spontaneously releases the context menu mouse_down event, closing the menu prematurely. I'm annoyed to hear the "magic" version is not an improvement.

Apple has NEVER made an acceptable mouse (with one, somewhat ergonomic, single-button mouse partial exception). It seems to be an area where Apple has always chosen to ignore functionality for "being different". It's maddening that my g400 mouse behaves utterly wrongly on the Mac as compared to the PC. Then again, the Apple-designed Windows drivers for the Apple touch pads suck to high hell. It's like they do it all on purpose to screw with certain users...

As much as I like OS X and modern Apple machines, the engineering isn't nearly as well thought out as all the obnoxious Jony Ive worship makes it sound. The man does a few things well, and a few things HORRIBLY. He's utter garbage at GUI, mice, and some of the OS X era laptops have been horrific for hardware repairs. The obsession with thinness is a fool's errand and is now getting pathological. Form interferes with function. On a handheld portable, touch makes good compromises (if the damned keyboard interpretation wasn't so inflexible for fast users and linguistically mature people), but on anything else, the reduction of space for sensible hardware has a limit. Touch screens should NEVER have gone into cars, and physical keyboards have degraded beyond the level of efficient typing.
 
You cannot deny the fact that the ligtning cable quality is substandard.
sure i can. i think they're pretty durable. in fact its my amazon cables that are failing on me.

Apple most likely made this thing substandard just so they can sell more.

that defies logic -- why would a consumer replace a crappy product with another copy of the same crappy product?
 
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Do people really eat through lightening cables that quickly? I have had all of mine since the release day of the 5s. Zero issues. I must be an anomaly...

I have a completely mixed experience: The earliest one I have - the one that came with my iPad Air soon after its release still works fine. The one that came with my iPhone 5C in January 2014 only works plugged in one direction. One that was bought as a spare has completely frayed just below the Lightning-end connector, yet still works. I have four more from various devices/bought-as-spares that are all less than a year old, and all of those still work fine.
 
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