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How is the Surface or any of these Windows 2-in-1 devices good tablets? Are they ever shown without a keyboard or in portrait orientation? I guess it all depends on how one defines a tablet. For me a tablet is something thin and light; something that is very portable; something that I can curl up on my couch or in bed and read a book or play a game on. IMO 2-in-1 devices are OK laptops but not very good tablets.

Even going by your definition, the SP and other 2-n-1 devices are perfectly fine as tablets. As a tablet: Are they thin and light? Yes. Now are the the lightest or thinnest? Nope. Are they portable? Yes, I mean where can you take an iPad that you can't take one of these? Can you curl up on a couch with it, or prop it up in bed and read a book or play a game on them? Why yes, yes you can. So how does meeting the specifications you ascribe to a good tablet make the SP and others not good tablets? I don't get that. Better yet, they can also function as, to borrow your phrase, an okay laptop when needed.
 
The approach shouldn't really be about size... it should be about the operating system.

Unless they do some sort of fusion of OSX and iOS, it's just going to be a bigger ipad... nothing else.

I sold my ipad because it doesn't do anything that my iphone 6 plus can't do... and I bought a surface pro 3.. why? because it's a full operating system

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IMO, here is what should happen (not a prediction, because we all know :apple: hasn't had the balls to do such a big change in a while) :

OSXi <-- Yes, OSX finally went to OS 'eleven', branding it with a lower-case "I" because of the fusion of iOS and OSX, touch apps with full operating system

MacPad <-- First device to run OSXi, no it's not called an iPad Pro because "i" devices only run iOS. "Mac" devices run OSX

hurry up :apple:, some of us feel like you're late to the game
 
Also things like watching Netflix and YouTube in bed would go from not as good as being in front of your tv to an absolute up close replacement!

actually, a bigger tablet is not an improvement while watching netflix in bed. i switched from a normal ipad to a mini for in-bed viewing. it's easier to prop up, whether on my chest or in a small space between myself and the edge of the bed or my partner, etc. bigger just doesnt offer any value -- im already watching on the small screen. if i want BIG, i use the television.
 
People who want to read music and magazines can still use the iPad Air.

Why? The iPad Air is too small for sheet music. That is why a big screen would be perfect reading music or for drawing or just reading magazines.

The iPad Pro is going to be first about creating content, and secondly about consuming content. That's why it has Pro in the name.

By the way it has not Pro in the name. :rolleyes: The term Pro is what some people believe the big iPad will be called. Apple may just call it the iPad Max, Plus, Giant, Goliath or whatever they like...
 
By the way it has not Pro in the name. :rolleyes: The term Pro is what some people believe the big iPad will be called. Apple may just call it the iPad Max, Plus, Giant, Goliath or whatever they like...

They might not call it that, but I'm saying they won't. This thing is going to be targeted at creatives and perhaps businesspeople. Not many people are going to spend $799 on only a sheet music reader. The iPad Pro 64GB will probably start at that price point because it will have a larger @3X Retina HD display, more cpu cores, more graphics cores, more ram, and perhaps a pressure sensitive digitizer for designers, photographers and artists to use.

If it's an iPad Plus then it's only a bigger iPad with nothing else except a $100 price increase and maybe a bump in clock speed and graphics to run the higher resolution screen as well as the iPad Air. I also don't imagine many people would buy something that is essentially the same just bigger. It works that way for phones but for tablets? Nah. There needs to be some extra benefit. The primary benefit of moving to a larger display is to show more on the screen at once, and that leads to want to be more productive on the machine, and for productivity you need a faster machine, hence Pro. The only way I'm going to carry around a big-ass tablet is if I can do lots of cool stuff with it, like design high resolution assets completely on one device.
 
No, I'm going to say never fairly confidently. Sure, tablets may eventually get to the point where they can take over a lot of the tasks where workstations are neede today. But as tablets become more powerful, so do workstations. All the while computing needs will continue to increase. There will always be a need for more horsepower.

this isn't an all-or-nothing game, it's about catering to various people's needs - which are evolving. 'never' is a silly word to throw around in the infancy of the PC era - or any new industry for that matter. we're not even at the crawling-on-all-fours stage of this baby metaphor. the kid's umbilical still isn't even cut...

at a certain point, the tech needed to get more horsepower won't be a matter of buying a new device, it'll be inserting more components into a casing that will never run out of room for said upgrades. tech is about to get way smaller and faster, but the physical housing needed to hold something with your hands will be ample space enough to provide a means to an end. eventually, desktops and tablets will be the same thing. there might be some new larger hardware that companies may need to run their massive operations, etc, but they'll probably be at wholesale costs, not intended for individual consumers. call it a desktop i guess, but could you really call an imax theater a tv? it's essentially a really big one.
 
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If this runs OSX so we can use full Photoshop CC / Illustrator CC and other development tools with 128GB or 256GB space options I will buy it!!
 
If this runs OSX so we can use full Photoshop CC / Illustrator CC and other development tools with 128GB or 256GB space options I will buy it!!

Try out the surface pro 3... I'm an :apple: user and I'm being serious! it's a great device
 
Try out the surface pro 3... I'm an :apple: user and I'm being serious! it's a great device

I like it too. Some things bother me, such has the screen failing to execute touches. I see the animation that it detected my touch, but sometimes nothing happens. I can wait until MS works all the kinks out. The aspect ratio still bothers me too. Even with these issues I'm much more likely to buy a Surface Pro than an iPad.

The approach shouldn't really be about size... it should be about the operating system.

I agree, but I'm rapidly losing faith in what Apple can do. I feel they are more interested in maximizing it's profit margins than making better devices. Let's see a device selling close to $1000 still saddled with slow animations. At that price range the iPad will be compared to the Surface Pro and the Surface will make the iPad look like a toy.

Also, at that price range, the iPad will get a big F that if a user can't set default apps.
 
12" MBA - 12" iPad pro ... how is no one else seeing this???

There are two 12" products in the pipeline, heavily rumored, dates pushed and pushed ... there was also talk about a closer iOS / OSX mix and match ...

So, mark my words when it comes out that IT IS ONE AND THE SAME device!!!

They are struggling a bit now to set it apart from that Surface thing ... but it will be a huge iPad, and when connected to KB it is your laptop with OSX .. it will be able to switch OS modes or run some kind of hybrid ...
 
What defects dude? I really want to know before considering getting one myself. If their software related, then I okay with that.

You serious? Just go to the general iPad section of the forum and you'll find countless problem threads
 
There are two 12" products in the pipeline, heavily rumored, dates pushed and pushed ... there was also talk about a closer iOS / OSX mix and match ...

So, mark my words when it comes out that IT IS ONE AND THE SAME device!!!

They are struggling a bit now to set it apart from that Surface thing ... but it will be a huge iPad, and when connected to KB it is your laptop with OSX .. it will be able to switch OS modes or run some kind of hybrid ...

I keep seeing people suggest the different OSs running depending on if the keyboard is connected or not. How does that work regarding software?
 
iPad Extreme for Drawing

I love my iPad mini for all mobile purposes/apps out there, the iPad Air was too big for my daily life. However if it comes to drawing and sketching I would really love using a big screen with a full digitizer support. So far, I tried every major drawing app (Procreate, SketchBook, Adobe's Apps etc.). They all share a common flaw: no decent stylus experience–as I'm used to with a Wacom Intuos. You always have wavy lines, no hover mode–due to touch screen technology–lag in some apps, and no tilt recognition.

So if Apple goes big with the iPad soon, the unique selling point for me would be a true stylus for it (sorry Steve :rolleyes:). If I was able to run full Mac OS X with Photoshop and Illustrator on it, that would be a true relief and a guaranteed purchase of such a device.

I agree with the others here that a bigger iPad screen alone with the current iOS will be a no-brainer experience.
 
12" tablet, 5x5 icon layout. Granted it's a mockup, but I don't doubt apple just slapping on one extra row of icons. If they stick with iOS on this device, they should keep the same resolution as the other iPads, and make use of the space.
 
RAAAHHH! GET OVMAH FORUM SURFACE FREAAAAKKKKSSS! HATE YALL! :mad:

But seriously, the reason so many people are bringing up the Surface is because the iPad Pro will likely (or better be) a direct competitor to it. It'll likely use a faster processor, have at least double the ram, hopefully use a pressure sensitive stylus, and be built to handle higher end applications. That's pretty much the SP's current territory, so bringing it up here is perfectly valid.

This is a late reply but the people who are bringing up the Surface do so mostly just to knock the Apple product. They are trolls and as an Apple Ecosystem user, I have no intention EVER to buy a Microsoft tablet. EVER!!!!! NO MATTER HOW MANY NEW FEATURES IT HAS!!!!
 
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