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VideoLAN Considering Options for VLC as Mac Developers Disappear
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a loss for mac users, may or may not be big.
a loss for mac environment, as vlc is a flagship OSS product across the platforms.
probably not a big loss for vlc, as mac only has %4-5 market share globally, and among that, probably much less people use vlc anyway.
vlc does need to come up with a solution to become somewhat solvent financially. buring money and ask for permanent free work from developers are a bit harsh in the long run.
if vlc doesn't like apple's attitude, they should just quit, I dont see apple changing its control freak way of doing things. In fact i dont know why any OSS project would hold their nose to help apple after all. with unfriendly apple and ungrateful apple fans.
a loss for mac environment, as vlc is a flagship OSS product across the platforms.
probably not a big loss for vlc, as mac only has %4-5 market share globally, and among that, probably much less people use vlc anyway.
vlc does need to come up with a solution to become somewhat solvent financially. buring money and ask for permanent free work from developers are a bit harsh in the long run.
if vlc doesn't like apple's attitude, they should just quit, I dont see apple changing its control freak way of doing things. In fact i dont know why any OSS project would hold their nose to help apple after all. with unfriendly apple and ungrateful apple fans.
You don't quite get open source I see.
Financially solvent ? It's not about money.
And like as been said before, this "Death of Mac VLC" is greatly exagerrated. They are simply rewriting the GUI because no one wants to maintain the old one.
VLC will still ship for Mac in the future, there is no worries if you use it.
Ahh, very nice! I love Perian. MKV support is back in QT now. Except it'll still take forever to open an MKV. QuickTime X is pretty slow. At least it's a bit more functional now. Previews also tale forever to load in thr Finder using QTserver. Ugh . . .
Perian works much better for the support it adds to Quick Look. In the ultimate irony Quicktime is probably the worst application for video playback.
Quicktime takes forever to load an MKV, but also takes its sweet time with other longer vidoes. Finder Previews (off to the side in column view) take forever to load, with QTserver taking up huge resources while doing so.
I want to love Quicktime, I really do. It looks great. But its performance is just utterly frustrating at times. I don't know what happened but I never had these problems with Quicktime 7.
Why the hell does Quicktime behave like this??
VLC handles everything quickly. MKVs open immediately and I can track anywhere in the movie right from the start.
Wait, *LTD* not praising an Apple product as the 2nd coming ? Someone mark the calendar, this has got to be new nationnal holiday or something.
Kidding aside, who looks at videos with Quick look anyhow ? Either I watch or don't watch a video, I don't want to just "preview" it on a 48x48 icon (yes I know you can make them bigger...). It's quicker to just open up the video in Mplayer OSX Extended than to preview it in the finder.
And *LTD*, I think Quicktime behaves like this because it doesn't support seeking without an index
Wait, *LTD* not praising an Apple product as the 2nd coming ? Someone mark the calendar, this has got to be new nationnal holiday or something.
Kidding aside, who looks at videos with Quick look anyhow ? Either I watch or don't watch a video, I don't want to just "preview" it on a 48x48 icon (yes I know you can make them bigger...). It's quicker to just open up the video in Mplayer OSX Extended than to preview it in the finder.
And *LTD*, I think Quicktime behaves like this because it doesn't support seeking without an index
There is such a thing as leaving the Kool-Aid out too long.
I just noticed that QTserver will load the MKV preview immediately, fine, but Quicktime will take forever to do it. So I can watch a move immediately in the Preview window or the icon (granted, without tracking controls other than Play and Pause), but Quickime X takes its time. Again, likely due to the indexing issue you mentioned.
So why would Quicktime not support seeking without an index??
I find that strange as well. In Quick Look you don't need to index a MKV but you do in Quicktime.There is such a thing as leaving the Kool-Aid out too long.
I just noticed that QTserver will load the MKV preview immediately, fine, but Quicktime will take forever to do it. So I can watch a move immediately in the Preview window or the icon (granted, without tracking controls other than Play and Pause), but Quickime X takes its time. Again, likely due to the indexing issue you mentioned.
So why would Quicktime not support seeking without an index??
And some movies that are viewable via the preview window are not viewable in icon mode.
The plot thickens . . .
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.p...lan_vlc_for_mac_death_is_greatly_exaggerated/
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.p...lan_vlc_for_mac_death_is_greatly_exaggerated/
It's from Perian's FAQ. Maybe it's not true anymore and they just haven't updated their code base. Maybe Quicktime X finally fixed the issue.
EDIT : I updated my Perian to 1.2 and you're right, Quick look loads the movie instantly and can seek to anywhere without delay. Quicktime X still takes a long time to load the mkv file before starting to play it (loads it entirely still). Quite ridiculous when you think about it.
The funny thing is, this problem didn't exist in Quicktime 7. The MKV would open immeidately, and granted, you'd see it loading, but it would play immediately while the loading completed. I don't recall whether you could track ahead in Quictkime 7 under these circumstances, but at least the media would play immediately. Nice to see that Quicklook as gotten that much better, but watching, say, HD content in a preview Window or an icon isn't really ideal.
I do remember the previous quicktime being able to track ahead very quickly, it was an non issue, it's getting kinda frustrating with this version... I get it all the time with .wmv content, it takes literally ages to be able to track ahead, it's disappointing. To be fair when vlc opens a .wmv file you can track ahead immediately but you get blocky output for a few seconds, but that's no problemo in my book when compared to actually waiting finger taping on the desk to just skip ahead a few minutes....
I really hope other people report this and apple adress it...
Btw, thanks all for the heads up for perian, just updated myself.
You have no clue*.
*Clue available on CD and DVD now.
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Maybe you need to take a stroll that is the propaganda that is GNU.org. BTW, VLC's target platform is LINUX something that has 1% market share.
That's incredibly insulting to these people:
OmniGroup who produce OmniGraffle
MacRabbit, who produce CSSEdit
Marketcircle, who produce Billings 3
Panic, who produce Coda
Delicious Monster, who produce Delicious Library
Pico and Sofa, who produce Versions
Realmac Software, who produce Little Snapper
Varasoftware, who produce ScreenFlow
Ironic Software, who produce Leap
BareBones Software, who produce Yojimbo
BeeDocs, who produce BeeDocs Timeline 3D
Werck, who produce Checkout
Bohemian Coding, who produce DrawIt
Berbie Software, who produce TrailRunner
Orbicule, who produce Macnification
Zennaware, who produce Cornerstone
The Soulmen, who produce Ulysses
Literature & Latte, who produce Scrivener
Saulius Dailide and Aidas Dailide ("Pixelmator Team"), who produce Pixelmator
iwascoding, who produce GarageSale
Cultured Code, who produce Things
FileMaker, who produce Bento
Nisus, who produce NisusWriter
TweakerSoft, who produce VectorDesigner
Acacia Tree Software, who produce SousChef
e3 Software , who produce Direct Mail
Acrylic Software, who produce Times
atebits, who produce Tweetie
The mac developer community (which you seem to take so much issue with) are actually a community and for the most part very helpful and supportive to each other.
They also — get this — produce tools of far more use and value to me than the FOSS community you champion. Surely as they are less lazy and have less self interest they should be producing better results? But they don't.
So find me the apps of the same quality on the Linux side or take it back.
bummed
definitely bummed about this.
VLC is the best all around media player for mac.
i can't count how many times i've tried open various wmv's or avi's that simply would not play correctly in Quicktime or anything else. I have all the stupid plugin junks that you can get for QT, and if i'm not mistaken i have the paid for version of the flip4mac and it still doesn't work as well as VLC.
why does playing video formats other than QT on the mac suck so bad? i mean it's possible, but you have to either find all these alternative players or download a bunch of crappy plugins for QT that only work right part of the time. the only reason i gripe is that the mac is supposed to be the best platform for editing video/audio as it has always been, i won't dispute it, but if i want to watch a wmv i have to jump thru 10 hoops....
somebody rich donate some money to VLC's mac department. please.
definitely bummed about this.
VLC is the best all around media player for mac.
i can't count how many times i've tried open various wmv's or avi's that simply would not play correctly in Quicktime or anything else. I have all the stupid plugin junks that you can get for QT, and if i'm not mistaken i have the paid for version of the flip4mac and it still doesn't work as well as VLC.
why does playing video formats other than QT on the mac suck so bad? i mean it's possible, but you have to either find all these alternative players or download a bunch of crappy plugins for QT that only work right part of the time. the only reason i gripe is that the mac is supposed to be the best platform for editing video/audio as it has always been, i won't dispute it, but if i want to watch a wmv i have to jump thru 10 hoops....
somebody rich donate some money to VLC's mac department. please.
Again, for the people coming in late and not reading all the articles related to this, the VLC dev team clarified their earlier point. VLC's old UI for MAC has no dev support anymore. That's because all the Mac devs for VLC are working on a brand new UI project.
There is no death of VLC on Mac, it was all a big misunderstanding by the tech news sites. Read for yourself :
http://wiki.videolan.org/Lunettes#V...reatly_exaggerated.22_.2F_What_is_Lunettes.3F
I like VLC, it's one the most powerful player I've used, but I got sick of the performance issues it's got. On Windows, I by a lot preferred using The KMPlayer rather than VLC. I've often encountered audio and video glitches during playback, and even crashes.
For now, I'm using QuickTime X + Perian for everything. It's alright, though I miss the subtitle support that VLC had. And about MKV files, not that big of a deal for me, usually they're HD movies, which Quicktime plays smoothly (once fully indexed) while VLC stutters while going through the video, and often crashes. QT's performance also seems better to me.
In the end, Apple either needs to add some subtitle loading tools and let QT play mkv (etc.) files instantly or VLC needs to get its bugs fixed, otherwise there's no way I'll be able to just use one of them.
For now, I'm using QuickTime X + Perian for everything. It's alright, though I miss the subtitle support that VLC had. And about MKV files, not that big of a deal for me, usually they're HD movies, which Quicktime plays smoothly (once fully indexed) while VLC stutters while going through the video, and often crashes. QT's performance also seems better to me.
In the end, Apple either needs to add some subtitle loading tools and let QT play mkv (etc.) files instantly or VLC needs to get its bugs fixed, otherwise there's no way I'll be able to just use one of them.
