It COULD have fit. We didn’t gain any extra horizontal screen space. So now there is a big black rectangle in the menu bar so it does introduce a block for these apps.
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Videos Show Menu Bar Behavior in Apps Not Updated for MacBook Pro Notch
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Not sure I understand what you re saying. Even a utility that costs $15 the fix is far easier. Again I don't know a ton of developers but the few I know say this is no big deal. Easy to fix and easy to change on their end.
It is obvious you want to be contrarian and argumentative instead of figuring out how to solve this.
Wanna bet. You may not believe it is on the onus of third parties but it is. You watch but the mass majority will patch and change their software.
This issue being shown in the videos is not app menu bar items, but rather a status bar utility icons. Mac OS automatically wraps menu bar items around the notch, but apparently doesn't automatically wrap status bar utility icons around the notch so this is actually a bug that Apple has to fix. The NotchMacs should never have shipped with this issue.
Are you really suggesting Apple should've done a nosecam? Because that didn't go so well for Dell at all.
Some people wanted a better camera. Apple did that. Some people wanted slimmer bezels. Apple did those. What Apple could've done is give the thing quite a forehead so the camera fits in a straight line. Some people would complain about that, too, I bet.
Is anyone actually arguing that?
But we did gain vertical screen space.
Could be.
Uh, you jumped in to my posts. How could I be the contrarian in that scenario?
Yeah, Bjango might have a way to working around it. I haven't denied that. I will stick to my opinion that it's a poor idea for the long term, and that, while this is a very minor issue anyways, it is absolutely Apple's issue to fix.
Now, if this were a $8000 software, I could understand users wanting a speedy workaround. But for a silly utility, I don't get it.
And?
I get the concern with the first video, but the second video looks fine. Sure, there's maybe a button or two's worth of horizontal space taken up by the notch now, but it looks like his example would still push some of the right menu items without the notch anyway.
Woah... did not know this. But that explains why some apps in some cases show a weird menu bar... that either doesn't respect light/dark mode, or transparency, when you switch either on/off.
Agree. I would rather always have a slightly smaller screen than to have an ugly and inconsistent experience.
quinn is a bit on the insufferable side just in general.
I noticed today that my car has a notch in the windscreen where they put a mirror. I’m going to make a YouTube video bitching about this tomorrow.
100% disagree. This is one of the best things in comparison to, say, Windows. Where some programs (Windows has a programs folder, so they are programs, not applications!) like MS Office, or browsers have NO menu bar... making them VERY frustrating to use!
I also disagree. Countless usability studies have shown that having a persistent menubar that you cant overshoot with the pointer is simply a superior usability experience.
I agree. I really like the way that the menu bar does not keep sliding up and down from the top edge when in full screen mode; instead it just appears and disappears each side of the notch. It is going to be hard to go back to a notchless Mac.
I dont use DaVinci but this guy says he's using an old version of DaVinci, didnt they already update this program a few days ago?
Double-stacked menus are inferior from a usability point of view.
To be fair, that center Apple was a bad idea, with a lot of complaints, so it never made it out of beta.Apple yesterday, presented by none other than Steve Jobs:
By the way, that Apple logo did nothing. It wasn't an Apple menu; it was simply an image that was in the way, and menus had to float around it.
Sure. I’m just saying it’s not like Jobs-era Apple wouldn’t have made such a design choice. They clearly did.
Back then we’re there even any OSX apps with menu bars long enough to wrap around that logo? There certainly weren’t any extra status bar icons.
If a double-decked menu bar had been an option, and developers had coded for it, it might now have been possible to select that all menu bar items go onto the lower deck while system items remain on the upper deck - potentially giving a full screen width for menu items. Or any permutation.
The cost, quite plainly, would be the same as the cost of a menu bar out of a standard non-notch screen.
I don't see this as being inferior - different yes. (Could leave the Apple menu icon on the top deck.)
Double decker menus, much like window-based menus, slow down interaction because you have to be precise enough not to overshoot what you want to select. Think about clicking the window traffic light dots vs. the Apple menu where you can just push the pointer to the top of the screen and click. You would be far more likely to accidentally click on the top-deck wifi icon, for example, than the bottom deck file menu when the latter is used much more frequently. Any benefits to spacing in the menu at would be countered by the it’s height. Think about how tall the PowerPoint double stacked application headers are; then consider all the wasted vertical screen space that would mean on the right side of the screen.
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One of the many Apple design flaws that some don't consider a flaw. Sigh!
This is the sort of lame reaction that happens when someone already doesn't like a feature and finds a problem.
Yeah dude, how are you going to use your computer if your most unnecessary live stats aren't right there at all times. It's still amazing that I have been able to use my computers all these years without them.
Are there "a lot" of people who use these? Yep. Are they a large portion of Apple's user base? No. No they are not.
Yeah dude, how are you going to use your computer if your most unnecessary live stats aren't right there at all times. It's still amazing that I have been able to use my computers all these years without them.
Are there "a lot" of people who use these? Yep. Are they a large portion of Apple's user base? No. No they are not.
Uh....what?
(a) The notch isn't "a feature" - it's a design decision, and a compromised one at that
(b) This video is evidence that apple didn't consider edge cases when implementing it in their OS, something everyone on these forums for some inexplicable reason was certain they did. What is there to defend here? Why are you caping so hard for a sloppy implementation from a trillion-dollar company? Apple should have done better.
Apple should update the OS to let it shift the menu bar below the notch with either a checkbox or a keyboard shortcut. Just slide the whole thing down and the problem is solved. Slide it back up when you want the extra space.
I agree. It’s weird the OS will automatically wrap menu bar items around the notch, but not status bar icons. It’s possible they just didn’t test with a lot of them. It will be fixed in an OS update.