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Videos Show Menu Bar Behavior in Apps Not Updated for MacBook Pro Notch
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Yeah, this notch thing are fail from apple 
I do not have anything aginst that notch, but solutions around it are bit off. A big shame on it for now. The same wierd thing in mirror mode - on secondary screen you cannot use that space where suppose to be notch. Thats also wierd.
I do not have anything aginst that notch, but solutions around it are bit off. A big shame on it for now. The same wierd thing in mirror mode - on secondary screen you cannot use that space where suppose to be notch. Thats also wierd.
The worst part of this is that some fans simply will not tolerate criticism of Apple, and that's how Apple gets away with this. The community used to be known for holding Apple to very high standards and complaining when they weren't met. That does still happen, but it's met with a lot of resistance from hardcore fans.
Pretty sure they do exactly this. App menus take precedence over status items. I mean this all seems perfectly reasonable, there isn't quite as much space there.You tell 'em Quinn.
So... what happens on older notch-less Macs if you have too many menu items *and* too many status bar items?
Did they just overlap?
I'm guessing Apple will update their app design guidelines to suggest developers reduce the number of menu items.
Notch or not... does DaVinci Resolve really need 14 menu items across the top?
The guy has too many status items to use with that application. I wouldn't say anyone is really "at fault" here, but he has too many status items and that app has an absurd number of menus; both to a silly extreme which just happens to be at the space threshold for this particular display.
Status menus not wrapping around the notch is a glitch and easily "fixable", probably because no sane person would have status items filling over half their display.
p.s. it isn't the "number" of menu items, if the app has menus with long names it would hit the same threshold. But I get you, there should be a guideline of "maximum" menubar safe space if there isn't already. But I would guess whatever formal guidance, it isn't going to somehow "know" how many random status items people have also jammed up there.
So what happens on Catalina if an app tries to make 100 menu items across the top? .. just asking how it handles before the notch'ed OS was invented.
I don't share the disdain for the reviewers personality. He's enjoying his outrage as much as people in this thread are enjoying their disdain. Good fun all around.
I do get the sense he's using low resolution to exacerbate the problem. But, on a small screen, even with my notchless laptop, I do get collisions between the menu bar items and the status icons. That's been an issue forever and will get worse with the notch.
I suspect people and application developers will adapt to make the problem go away. Application that make the menubar effectively move down have already started appearing. Maybe the OS will improve to make the handling of the notch invisible to developers - "Move menu bar down" as a system option.
It's pretty good if the user has the choice between more desktop real estate or more menu bar real estate.
I do get the sense he's using low resolution to exacerbate the problem. But, on a small screen, even with my notchless laptop, I do get collisions between the menu bar items and the status icons. That's been an issue forever and will get worse with the notch.
I suspect people and application developers will adapt to make the problem go away. Application that make the menubar effectively move down have already started appearing. Maybe the OS will improve to make the handling of the notch invisible to developers - "Move menu bar down" as a system option.
It's pretty good if the user has the choice between more desktop real estate or more menu bar real estate.
I know as soon as it was announced people were wondering if the cursor would:
a) Disappear behind the notch
b) Jump across the notch
c) Ride the perimeter of the notch
I am pleased to see that the answer is: d) All of the above
a) Disappear behind the notch
b) Jump across the notch
c) Ride the perimeter of the notch
I am pleased to see that the answer is: d) All of the above
There should be an option to disable the notch. Meaning only use the 16:10 area below the notch as the screen. Does anyone know if that is an option?
I said a fix at system level,that's very different to Apple patching apps one by one.
also it's Apple who suddenly decided to implement that notch,how do you expect 1000s of Apps be individually patched for this "aesthetic" feature? (some may not even be supported by developers yet remain functional and useful)
your example is also completely irrelevant by the way.
Why am I not surprised there are notch-menu bar behavior problems ?
BTW this and notebook check saying there is noticeable PWM in the 14” MBP, bummer.
BTW this and notebook check saying there is noticeable PWM in the 14” MBP, bummer.
Stuff like this makes me wonder how these people deal with real problems in life. Nothing is ever perfect .. yet the expectation is always there for perfection.
Windows has had a UI mess for ... forever? Linux on the desktop? Yup, them too.
Honestly just tired of YouTubers like this, really need to grow up at some point and discuss things in a rational way, but .. that doesn't get the clicks and the subscribes and all that stupidity.
Windows has had a UI mess for ... forever? Linux on the desktop? Yup, them too.
Honestly just tired of YouTubers like this, really need to grow up at some point and discuss things in a rational way, but .. that doesn't get the clicks and the subscribes and all that stupidity.
Yep. that second video is dumb because the same thing happens without the notch. Besides, why isn't mr power-user hiding his infrequently used status-bar icons with Bartender?
Do you really think that someone who is completely unaware of standard OS behavior is a decent tech reviewer?
No my example is how companies think and function. In fact I am in the process of designing a medical device (already in FDA approval process) that is used with third party instruments. I guarantee there will be some instruments that are not compatible. It is not my job to make sure all instruments used are supported by this device. it is designed for 95%+ of instruments used as fas as compatibility goes. If a device doesn't work with mine they will have to make changes.
This notch is a non issue 99% of the time bt you want to scream and holler about the 1% of the time that it is. That develop can easily fix this problem. Also 1000s of apps are not owned by 1 person or 1 company. 1000s of apps are owned by thousands of companies or people which means patched pretty easily and quickly, but your hyperbole is noted.
Agree, at the very least the status icons should bunch up. The added padding was added in Big Sur but it's clear the change was made with the taller menu bar in mind that you get on the NotchBook. Using the previous padding in Catalina and prior versions would make everything look too close together with big gaps above and below the menu text.
It can be worked around. And then you don't know if that workaround still works in 12.0.2, or 12.1, or 13.0, because what you're doing is explicitly not what Apple's docs say you should do, so your scenario isn't supported.
Well, they did. They have a bug (I see little reason to believe this bug isn't on Apple's end).
Personally, I don't think it's a big bug. Tone aside, I find Quinn's video to be far-fetched. If Apple were to fix the bug, the result would be this: instead of seeing some of the status item, you'd see none of it, because there clearly isn't enough room anyways. But regardless, it's a visual glitch.
I don't know who my "counterparts" are. I neither work for Apple nor for Bjango.
The solution will be for Apple to fix this bug.
But like I said, I don't think this is a big deal anyways.
This is the only thing you wrote that matters. End of story.
It will only be a big bug if it drastically affect sales and it 100% won't.
Your counterparts would be other developers who have solutions.
No the solution will not be for Apple to fix it. The solution will be for developers to fix it.
I have to chuckle at you calling it a BIG bug and then saying you don't think it is a BIG deal.
Why? What does he actually want? A second row of menu items? He doesn't say.
You didn't buy a $4,000 machine because you don't like the visual glitch when it displays status items that clearly wouldn't fit anyway?
Feel free to actually read the countless posts I've written in this thread or don't.
No, the onus is not on all third parties to work around Apple bugs.
Do you realize that you're comparing client work that's likely in the 6-8 figures against a utility that costs $15?