Vision Pro Personas and EyeSight Improving With visionOS 1.1

[nylonsteel]

too bad eyesight has nothing to do with improving the wearers vision
it would be cool if vison pro did have capability to improve wearers actual vision

 

[doelcm82]

too bad eyesight has nothing to do with improving the wearers vision
it would be cool if vison pro did have capability to improve wearers actual vision

Apple wants Vision Pro to be something you can wear around other people. You can see them and they can see you (your eyes) when you're seeing them. The better Apple can make this feature, the more acceptable it will be to wear headsets. I know there are people who think looking like a three-eyed robot is actually better and that it's nobody's business if you're looking at them while you're talking to them, but it's the direction Apple chose to go.

The wearer's vision is probably limited by the hardware (cameras) in the headset. Vision Pro's passthrough is better than the others, but it definitely has room for improvement. When AVP 2 comes out (whenever) the passthrough will be so good that AVP 1's passthrough will make your eyes bleed.

 

[JohnApples]

VP is one of those things where people who don't want it feel compelled to post how much they don't want it. They gleefully reach for anything to be an indication that the product is a failure. Like they feel personally insulted by an inanimate object.

Honestly most new Apple products (or tech products in general really) suffer from that.

People thought the iPad was nothing more than a giant phone and cheered for its “inevitable” failure from day one. I distinctly remember this forum flooded with people declaring the Apple Watch a flop a decade ago (although the watchOS 1 software was pretty abysmal back then). AirPods? Overpriced garbage that looks hideous in your ears and everyone will lose them on day one. Even if you go back to the AirTags launch, you’ll see posters who were irrationally *angry* over the launch of an item finder and were deeply offended that Apple dared release such a product that insulted their eyeballs.

I used to say “nobody hates Apple products more than Apple fans” and this website certainly makes a case for that statement!

 

[G5isAlive]

The front screen is too dim and yet not a regular OLED, the front glass is too glossy, and I dont see the point of having a front screen.

and this has to do with visionOS 1.1 how?

 

[G5isAlive]

I read this story because I have a Vision Pro and am understandably interested in the next software release. I’m surprised to see the posts from people who don’t own one or have no intention of buying one.

For people that like to jump on how silly wearers of the AVP look, the haters don't seem to care how silly they look for jumping in to any AVP discussion to repeat the same old things. It is what it is. I do keep reading for the informed with something new to say.

 

[sunny5]

and this has to do with visionOS 1.1 how?

It does NOT. It's just a useless feature that Apple added. Design flaw.

 

[dozoy]

Memoji should be a perfect fit for the AVP: they aren't creepy, and they're easy to do. They could be made automatically and then easily tweaked by the user; many people spent a bit of time making their Memojis on their iPhones in the first place.

They are creepy and campy. Very lame. Also, the only people I know that use them are my elderly in-laws.

 

[fatTribble]

Honestly most new Apple products (or tech products in general really) suffer from that.

People thought the iPad was nothing more than a giant phone and cheered for its “inevitable” failure from day one. I distinctly remember this forum flooded with people declaring the Apple Watch a flop a decade ago (although the watchOS 1 software was pretty abysmal back then). AirPods? Overpriced garbage that looks hideous in your ears and everyone will lose them on day one. Even if you go back to the AirTags launch, you’ll see posters who were irrationally *angry* over the launch of an item finder and were deeply offended that Apple dared release such a product that insulted their eyeballs.

I used to say “nobody hates Apple products more than Apple fans” and this website certainly makes a case for that statement!

That actually helps put things in context. Good observation!

I grew up hearing stories from my parents about what life was like when they were young. Never were they bitter. It was never intended as a lecture. They just shared to put things in perspective. So somehow I developed the joke with them about how hard I‘ve had it. Like my computer only had 4K of memory. Or my MTV wasn’t in stereo. Or I had to bring in trash cans once a week. So as an adult I still remember that my Dad used to study by lantern light. My Mom was forbidden by her father to do homework. If the Persona on my Vision Pro looks a bit creepy, it reminds me of something I might have joke complained about with my parents. But that’s just me. People pay a lot for products and have certain expectations.

 

[SFjohn]

That’s fair but I’m curious is he exaggerating how bad the gameplay is?

Jump to 6:30

He doesn’t seem to have spent any real time actually using the AVP beyond what it took to set it up. He’s making silly comparisons just for the “likes” from what I can tell. One quick comparison he makes is multiple monitors @ work, but he doesn’t mention AVP has 3D apps you can manipulate and it will all travel with you on a plane... in Fruit Ninja he's making wild movements outside of where the AVP follows hands and complaining that the AVP can’t keep up. Fruit Ninja works great & is fun after a months usage, 3 to 7 hours a day. I’m not getting paid to say I love my AVP. That guy is getting paid to pander to AVP haters. 🤷

 

[Born Again]

He doesn’t seem to have spent any real time actually using the AVP beyond what it took to set it up. He’s making silly comparisons just for the “likes” from what I can tell. One quick comparison he makes is multiple monitors @ work, but he doesn’t mention AVP has 3D apps you can manipulate and it will all travel with you on a plane... in Fruit Ninja he's making wild movements outside of where the AVP follows hands and complaining that the AVP can’t keep up. Fruit Ninja works great & is fun after a months usage, 3 to 7 hours a day. I’m not getting paid to say I love my AVP. That guy is getting paid to pander to AVP haters. 🤷

Always good to have another perspective.

 

[Naraxus]

You’ve never bought a PC running windows, a home appliance, or a car have you?

I've bought all three. Next.

 

[allenvanhellen]

They are creepy and campy. Very lame. Also, the only people I know that use them are my elderly in-laws.

Are the youth using Personas and AVPs?

 

[allenvanhellen]

AVP is probably the reason why Memojis exist: I am sure they were Apple's plan for video conferencing. And then Apple noticed (thought) that they can do better - simulate photorealistic humans.

"Apple noticed that they" could try to "do better" but clearly aren't there yet.

 

[G5isAlive]

It does NOT. It's just a useless feature that Apple added. Design flaw.

wonderful. why not start a thread about all the design flaws you have personal experience with. this thread is about visionOS.

 

[sunny5]

wonderful. why not start a thread about all the design flaws you have personal experience with. this thread is about visionOS.

This is a news thread, not VisionOS itself. I guess you never tried it in person.

 

[G5isAlive]

This is a news thread, not VisionOS itself. I guess you never tried it in person.

Tried what?

Read the title?

Vision Pro Personas and EyeSight Improving With visionOS 1.1​

Why yes I have thanks. Or did you mean try an AVP? Have to admit I’ve never been in for a demo. I own one. Hence why I read the article and looked to the comments for on topic discussion. It’s in the rules.

 

[sunny5]

Tried what?

Read the title?

Vision Pro Personas and EyeSight Improving With visionOS 1.1​

Why yes I have thanks. Or did you mean try an AVP? Have to admit I’ve never been in for a demo. I own one. Hence why I read the article and looked to the comments for on topic discussion. It’s in the rules.

And I said, those improvements are useless as it's a hardware's problem, not a software. Eyesight, can NOT be improve because of the panel they used. Do you still not get it?

 

[G5isAlive]

And I said, those improvements are useless as it's a hardware's problem, not a software. Eyesight, can NOT be improve because of the panel they used. Do you still not get it?

have you ever seen one personally? After visionOS1.1. Beta is fine If that’s what you’ve seen. It’s what I run. my family says eyesight works fine. But okay it’s hardware.

 

[sunny5]

have you ever seen one personally? After visionOS1.1. Beta is fine If that’s what you’ve seen. It’s what I run. my family says eyesight works fine. But okay it’s hardware.

Oh yes, I even owned it before. Eyesight doesn't really serve its purpose and it's just a waste of hardware by putting a screen and glass in front of it. What do you even get from it when others only see your eyes or colors? It's just a useless feature.

 

[G5isAlive]

Oh yes, I even owned it before. Eyesight doesn't really serve its purpose and it's just a waste of hardware by putting a screen and glass in front of it. What do you even get from it when others only see your eyes or colors? It's just a useless feature.

Look even before the AVP was released you were putting down the front screen… so at least you are consistent.

Jan 20 “Clearly, I dont see the point of adding a front display and glass for Vision Pro. They just adding more front weights while it barely serves its purpose.”

But okay, I disagree. It’s miles ahead of its competitors with nothing at all but a blank wall.

 

[sunny5]

Look even before the AVP was released you were putting down the front screen… so at least you are consistent.

Jan 20 “Clearly, I dont see the point of adding a front display and glass for Vision Pro. They just adding more front weights while it barely serves its purpose.”

But okay, I disagree. It’s miles ahead of its competitors with nothing at all but a blank wall.

You just proven my point. Why do you keep ignoring the fact for? What a waste of time.

 

[jole]

Eyesight is not great, but is allows me to keep the headset on for short interactions with people around me: like getting a cup of coffee and exchanging a couple of words.

Eyesight is not meant to be a clear view to your eyes. It is meant to be an indication to others that you hear and see them.

For that purpose, it is a minimum viable implementation.

No one else has anything like that.

 

[Silverado]

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This image for this product triggers a visceral, almost disgusted reaction in me. It's unprecedented in Apple's lineup, strikingly odd and inhuman. It's shocking that such an image comes from the world's top marketing department and not from a horror-themed episode of Black Mirror.

I hear you, but I feel that yours is simply a general reaction to VR/AR. Apple is entering this realm big time. You may disagree with the technology direction, but it is happening whether you like it or not.

FWIW, I had a similar reaction when the product was announced, even though it was clear that it was going to be a technological marvel. I now own one and use it waaay too often. My family are okay with it, especially that they can see a representation of my eyes. I would argue that a smart phone that you stare down at is more isolating from the environment than the Vision Pro, where you’re looking up and can see people and interact with them. YMMV.

 

[Silverado]

Oh yes, I even owned it before. Eyesight doesn't really serve its purpose and it's just a waste of hardware by putting a screen and glass in front of it. What do you even get from it when others only see your eyes or colors? It's just a useless feature.

I think it’s an extremely important feature and allows a meaningful connection with those around you. Yes, it looks so weird at first, but people get used to it and it is so important to not make you isolated from those around you.

Remember when people made SO much fun AirPods because they didn’t have wires? They thought they looked SO dumb. (Like having wires dangling from your ears looks better lol). It’s just what people are used to.

IMO, Apple has again made history. EyeSight, not to mention the Vision Pro itself, are destined to become technology legends.

 

[vantelimus]

I've bought all three. Next.

Then your expectations are suspect.