Your right, but would they not be putting the same chip in the old one that they put in the new one? That surely has not been Apple MO. Anything is possible of course.
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In keeping with my 'it may be cheeper for Apple to offer just 1 chip line'. There is another possibility. Remember unlike conventional chips (Axx) the S1 is an integrated system chip (System in Package or modular). It could be that since it is a 2 year old design that some or several of its subsystem OEM chips are no longer being manufactured. This would make it easer and cheeper for Apple to just upgrade the original
Watch to an S2 chip.
You guys doubting that an update is coming at next week's announcement are funny. Why so invested in it *not* happening? The writing is there on the wall, obvious for all to see.
I am doubting a whole new watch. From what the rumors say, it's just an updated AW1. If we see the rumors come true on Wednesday, then it should not be called the 2. It's like the S models of the iPhone. It's going to look the same, and run the same software.
There is nothing this watch offers that would make people change their minds. If you did not like the AW1 you sure as hell aren't going to like the AW2. The OS is the same, with slight improvements to the UI in WatchOS 3. People are acting as if this ground breaking and it's exactly what Apple needed to do with the AW. Does GPS really changed the watch that much? I sure as hell don't.
Your first paragraph is entirely semantics. It'll be new regardless of what they call it or what you think of it. Full stop.
Your second paragraph is opinion, and a classic case of projecting your views on all of humanity. Stop it. It's facile.
Actually that is not an opinion at all. I said I'd the rumors are true we will have a watch that looks exactly the same, but will have a GPS chip in the watch. A new chip that should increase speed. If someone does not like the first watch, again I will asked you. What has changed to fix all the issues people had the watch? It still will run WatchOS 3, and most of the complains have come about the UI. It has not changed for the most part. So if someone did not like it before, what do the rumors offer to suggest the new one will be any different? Functionally it will run exactly the same expect a bit faster. I really don't think speed was the only complaint people had.
It is your *opinion* that if you didn't like the first you wouldn't like the second.
It is your *opinion* that in-built GPS and faster speed don't warrant an upgrade or change in experience.
it is your *opinion* that the larger battery won't change the user experience.
It is your *opinion* that the UI hasn't changed "for the most part" in OS3 whereas my opinion is that it has. The Dock, as well as the way it functions, is a big deal to me. I should know, I've been using it in the beta for a while now.
Sheesh.
Stop it. You're being a dolt.
YOUR OPINION IS YOUR OPINION, AND THAT IS ALL.
Haha nice very grown up of you.
I happen to love my AW, and don't think Apple needs to change anything. I have play with WatchOS 3, and yes it does had a lot of function to the phone. My point is that is coming to the first watch. Everyone says it runs really well on the first watch. That has not changed many people's opinions of the watch, so if you don't currently like the AW and the way it runs WatchOS 3. Battery life and GPS don't change that at all. It's still watchOS 3 and those to things don't change anything in terms of UI. That is a fact.
The seems like a pointless argument. If Apple are adding new processor, new battery, GPS, new software, what constitutes a "new" watch then? The only thing they aren't changing is the shape!
I am not arguing what constitutes a new watch. I agree that it's new and Apple can sure call it a new watch. My argument is that the people that did not like the first Apple Watch, sure won't like the 2nd one. GPS and a chip don't change the way the watch works. If you don't like WatchOS, then this won't change that. The notion that this is exactly what Apple needed, it garbage. The AW is what is, and watchOS is what it is. It won't every completely change the way the watch works. Apple decided this is how they wanted the watch to work. Like or not, bell and whistles are changing that.
Bless your heart. You're far more dense than I'd realized at first. Let me try again. This time I'll type far more slowly.
First, I never said, insinuated, or assumed that you did or didn't like the AW. It has absolutely no bearing on the current discussion, which is your ongoing presentation of opinion as fact. Introducing it as if it were a counter point is a classic straw man. Again, facile.
Second, did you "play" with WatchOS3? Or did you install it weeks ago and use it heavily every day as I have?
Third, "That has not changed many people's opinions of the watch." Oh really? And you know this because you've spoken to whom exactly? Everyone? And you monitor the Apple Developer boards extensively?
Fourth, "It's still watchOS 3 and those to things don't change anything in terms of UI. That is a fact" WRONG. One of the biggest changes in OS3 is the swap from Friends to the Dock when pushing the lower button. That is a major change in UI and UE. Says to me that you haven't done much more than "play" with OS3, if you've even touched it at all. They changed the function of one of only two buttons on the device. How can that possibly not change the UI? Ridiculous. I'll speak to GPS below.
Sixth, "Battery life and GPS don't change that at all" is a preposterous statement. Battery life is *everything* in portable devices and has been forever. To claim otherwise is simply silly. I'll speak to GPS below.
Seventh, "everyone" says it runs really well on the first watch? Really? So...you actively participate in the Apple Developer boards and have tracked every single thread on impressions and measurements of performance? No. Of course you haven't. My guess (see, I even cite it as a guess) is that you're mistaking comments that "it's snappier than OS2" with "it runs really well." Those are two distinct notions, as they are not mutually exclusive. I find it obviously snappier than OS2. HOWEVER, I and others have experienced lag and delay with it which would surely be improved upon with a faster chip.
Eighth "GPS and a chip don't change the way the watch works"....LOLWUT? I hardly even know where to begin with this drivel. Perhaps for you (again, opinion). But for the fitness crowd - an enormous potential market for the AW if you know anything about the run/swim/bike crowds - in-built GPS, not having to take your phone with you for proper route mapping, pace info, etc. changes *everything* about the way the watch "works" for people. [caveat - the very earliest WatchOS3 betas had route tracking *without* having the phone with you; that functionality was removed in later builds. The accuracy was decent though far from perfect. It remains to be seen whether Apple reintroduces that functionality for the original AW in OS3. It's not in the very latest beta.]
I've already spoken to the "new chip" which will obviously impact performance for the better.
Ninth, you keep spouting nonsense like "The notion that this is exactly what Apple needed, it [sic] garbage". Again - total straw man. I never said nor insinuated that the coming changes would make the AW2 a total game changer, or lead to orders of magnitude increase in sales. Once again, straw man. Once again, facile. Don't argue things that aren't being argued. It's a sign of a feeble mind.
Finally, to say that you "don't think Apple needs to change anything" while you also call increased battery life, increased speed, and in-built GPS "bells and whistles" simply defies logic and everything we know about technology. Thank GOD you're not the boss of technology development over the course of history otherwise we'd be rolling on stone wheels and counting with the abacus. At best.
I'll let you have the final word as your feeble mind will likely require it. Remember though, no opinions as facts
Keep in mind that we have a number of MR members who refuse to buy rev A of anything Apple makes. Also, we've heard from a few members who said they've always disliked the AW from the beginning but are slowly having a change of heart. They might as well wait for the new version rather buy a 1.5 year old product.
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That makes sense, it really does. What I am referring to is those reviews tech bloggers that have used watchOS 3, and still say the AW is not what they expect it to be. That is their opinion and that is fine. I love mine, but I understand it's not for everyone. My whole point is those that hate the watch now, the new one most likely won't change that. It's really going to be an S model change, nothing mind blowing. Completely fine with me because they don't need it.
My prediction:
- Watch ver 1.5 (S or E) same but with S2 chip and ATM3 or ATM5 water for $199 to $249 starting price point
- Watch 2 (Pro or Elite) with S2, larger battery, BT v5, ‘improved’ display, improved optical HR, ATM5, GPS, barometer, blood O2 sensor at the current price points
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Thanks for all that useless info. In me saying Apple needed to change nothing, they don't. Having a new watch does not change that. My point is that WOS 3 works on the original watch. The battery and GPS are just a few added functions that aren't changes people's views of the watch. The watch still works the same as the original. It just has GPS. That completely changed everything right.Bless your heart. You're far more dense than I'd realized at first. Let me try again. This time I'll type far more slowly.
First, I never said, insinuated, or assumed that you did or didn't like the AW. It has absolutely no bearing on the current discussion, which is your ongoing presentation of opinion as fact. Introducing it as if it were a counter point is a classic straw man. Again, facile.
Second, did you "play" with WatchOS3? Or did you install it weeks ago and use it heavily every day as I have?
Third, "That has not changed many people's opinions of the watch." Oh really? And you know this because you've spoken to whom exactly? Everyone? And you monitor the Apple Developer boards extensively?
Fourth, "It's still watchOS 3 and those to things don't change anything in terms of UI. That is a fact" WRONG. One of the biggest changes in OS3 is the swap from Friends to the Dock when pushing the lower button. That is a major change in UI and UE. Says to me that you haven't done much more than "play" with OS3, if you've even touched it at all. They changed the function of one of only two buttons on the device. How can that possibly not change the UI? Ridiculous. I'll speak to GPS below.
Sixth, "Battery life and GPS don't change that at all" is a preposterous statement. Battery life is *everything* in portable devices and has been forever. To claim otherwise is simply silly. I'll speak to GPS below.
Seventh, "everyone" says it runs really well on the first watch? Really? So...you actively participate in the Apple Developer boards and have tracked every single thread on impressions and measurements of performance? No. Of course you haven't. My guess (see, I even cite it as a guess) is that you're mistaking comments that "it's snappier than OS2" with "it runs really well." Those are two distinct notions, as they are not mutually exclusive. I find it obviously snappier than OS2. HOWEVER, I and others have experienced lag and delay with it which would surely be improved upon with a faster chip.
Eighth "GPS and a chip don't change the way the watch works"....LOLWUT? I hardly even know where to begin with this drivel. Perhaps for you (again, opinion). But for the fitness crowd - an enormous potential market for the AW if you know anything about the run/swim/bike crowds - in-built GPS, not having to take your phone with you for proper route mapping, pace info, etc. changes *everything* about the way the watch "works" for people. [caveat - the very earliest WatchOS3 betas had route tracking *without* having the phone with you; that functionality was removed in later builds. The accuracy was decent though far from perfect. It remains to be seen whether Apple reintroduces that functionality for the original AW in OS3. It's not in the very latest beta.]
I've already spoken to the "new chip" which will obviously impact performance for the better.
Ninth, you keep spouting nonsense like "The notion that this is exactly what Apple needed, it [sic] garbage". Again - total straw man. I never said nor insinuated that the coming changes would make the AW2 a total game changer, or lead to orders of magnitude increase in sales. Once again, straw man. Once again, facile. Don't argue things that aren't being argued. It's a sign of a feeble mind.
Finally, to say that you "don't think Apple needs to change anything" while you also call increased battery life, increased speed, and in-built GPS "bells and whistles" simply defies logic and everything we know about technology. Thank GOD you're not the boss of technology development over the course of history otherwise we'd be rolling on stone wheels and counting with the abacus. At best.
I'll let you have the final word as your feeble mind will likely require it. Remember though, no opinions as facts
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But there are many reasons why AW one isn't right but AW2 could be. And not necessarily just because of hardware changes.
Having a more mature ecosystem with more useful apps is most likely the number one reason why I saw some negative reviews.
The only thing I can think of from a hardware perspective that is in the realms of what you're suggesting is LTE or aesthetic changes to the shell.
Yeah I agree. I think that Apple should have held off another year, and just made the big changes next year when they are ready. The current watch runs the new OS perfectly, and honestly you really aren't going to draw a ton of new customers with GPS. Or at least I don't think so. I don't remember seeing any reviews that were saying the watch was not good because it didn't have GPS. Plenty of smartwatches don't have that. The complaints were OS, and that is not changing. Sure Apple is adding improvements, but overall design is the same as what they have done with iOS. It's has not changed from walled apps since day one. Sure it's added a lot of awesome features, but it is what is. If you don't like the looks, or the design of the watch now, the 2 won't cut it either.
That is just my 2 cents. I think there are people like you that held off on a smartwatch and let it grow on you. That is not really the customer I am talking about. It's the people that say watchOS just does not work for them. That for sure has not changed. I fell like 1.5 years it just two short of a time for a new watch. There is still some growing to do, and they should just wait until they are ready for a full blown design change.
Remember that Apple is a master at selling millions of new iPhones with very little changed, in the form of S-type update. Existing customers who won't benefit from having GPS may skip it, but it'll attract new customers especially those who refuse to buy rev A products or just got the itch for the AW regardless of whether they'll benefit from having GPS. Not everyone who got the iPhone 5s benefited from having Siri. From a business perspective, it makes no sense to put all your eggs in one basket.
Yeah I get what you are saying. The watch just seems so much different then a phone. With an iPhone, I buy it every year no matter what. My watch I want to keep for a lot longer, and enjoy adding new bands and a watch to me is not something to update that often. I feel like Apple is going to have to rely on repeat customers for the watch to be successful, but I know several people that don't want another watch this soon. I don't know it just seems rushed with little benefit over the current. See the watch much different then I see an iPhone.
Got back from the store, definitely going with the 42mm SS, my wrists are 175mm and it fits perfectly. I'm not one for bulky watches but the 38mm just looked too small.
My only disappointment is the lack of band options packaged with the watch. I would have liked more woven nylon, sports band options and leather loop options.
I was planning to get midnight blue sports band and save some money by getting the Milanese loop second hand. But that's not an option right now, so I'm going with the Milanese loop 42mm SS AW2 unless they change the band options at launch.
I really love the Milanese loop, by far my favourite band. As usual, the store experience was really good, no pressure from the staff. I even asked if he knew anything about the new watches, if I'd need to come in store to get one, he didn't know too much but said most of their current stock has dried up.
My only disappointment is the lack of band options packaged with the watch. I would have liked more woven nylon, sports band options and leather loop options.
I was planning to get midnight blue sports band and save some money by getting the Milanese loop second hand. But that's not an option right now, so I'm going with the Milanese loop 42mm SS AW2 unless they change the band options at launch.
I really love the Milanese loop, by far my favourite band. As usual, the store experience was really good, no pressure from the staff. I even asked if he knew anything about the new watches, if I'd need to come in store to get one, he didn't know too much but said most of their current stock has dried up.
I was going to say that the OP could try on the different watches at a Best Buy like I did last month. That is if you have Best Buy in Nottingham. I was trying the different sizes on, since I am now ready to get an Apple Watch. The first version didn't interest me at all. Now that the processor will be faster, the battery will be larger, it will have a GPS and possibly an O2 sensor, I really want one. Like someone mentioned earlier, I am one of those that prefers not to get the first version of something. I think the improvements that are coming make it much more desirable now.
What do you mean by disappointed by the band options? Do you not like the colors? I feel the selection is pretty large. Much larger then at launch a few years ago. I am not sure what else you could ask for.
O2 sensor? I have not seen that as a quality rumor. Most are just saying the GPS, and battery.
Just curious as to what you did not like about the first Gen that suddenly is fix with the rumors?