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Vista Impressions (and comparison to OSX) (56k warning)

dpaanlka said:
I agree totally. Lest we all forget, Apple tried the whole transparent window title bars thing in the past, and thankfully removed it after realizing how annoying it was?

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Thats why Microsoft tried the whole glass thing, so content from other windows don't distract you, overall I'm really diggin the whole effect, I already set my old wallpaper in Vista and tweaked it a bit to feel a little more familiar with Windows XP, I have to say I feel right at home with Vista, I'm loving it but I can see why people say its ugly, I say its either a love or hate it kind of thing. Anyhow, here is another aero pic of the neat games control center minimizing in fraganti.
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And I've guess you've already seen the beachball's of death best friend... :p
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EM87 said:
IMO all Vista is is XP with a new GUI, I bet it will still not be stable and will get just as many viruses etc.
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Yeah, and you are way wrong. built totally different, different kernel, drivers are way different and the list goes on and on...please read before posting your "opinion"
 
dpaanlka said:
Lest we all forget, Apple tried the whole transparent window title bars thing in the past, and thankfully removed it after realizing how annoying it was?
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But you have to admit it was really cool looking the first time you booted up OS X. :) Looking back, 10.0/10.1 looks pretty crappy compared to the refined Aqua of 10.4. And the iTunes 7 look is growing on me, I kind of hope they introduce a more "pro" looking theme (with an Aqua Blue option though) that's similar to that.

And the glass effect is cool looking, in exactly the same way.

Flip3D to me seems like MS's way of saying "hey we can do Exposé too and it looks cooler!", except with about 100% less usefulness. Seriously. The way it's implemented, I can't imagine finding it useful at all, whereas I use Exposé all the time now. And is that the DESKTOP I see as one of the windows? Why would I want that there?

There's no way they're going to impress Mac users as all of the new features are things we already have. But I am looking forward to Vista as a better performing, more productive, hopefully (but probably not) more secure and less buggy upgrade from XP.
 
I think it sucks;)

Is this all M$ has come up with in like 5 or 6 years? And only a few of those 11 or however many versions have been released so far...

It's a cheap rip off od OSX:rolleyes:
 
There are 4 different visual styles for Vista; you aren't obligated to use Aero.

XP has performed very well for me. I have no doubt that Vista will perform just as well for me. I really can't wait to install it on my just ordered computer with a nice 8800gts. :cool:
 
exabytes18 said:
There are 4 different visual styles for Vista; you aren't obligated to use Aero.

XP has performed very well for me. I have no doubt that Vista will perform just as well for me. I really can't wait to install it on my just ordered computer with a nice 8800gts. :cool:
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XP has worked well for me most of the time as well but has crashed on me while doing important assignments a few times hence my dislike for it. Also you are buying a first generation DX10 card! If I was you I would wait a while to make sure all the faults are gone, but hey it is your money.
 
I'm just interested in the fact if Vista will slow down after a few month just like XP did.

I tried everything to keep XP running nice and smooth, but after six month or so I had to reinstall XP to get back the "great" performance.
 
Tymmz said:
I'm just interested in the fact if Vista will slow down after a few month just like XP did.

I tried everything to keep XP running nice and smooth, but after six month or so I had to reinstall XP to get back the "great" performance.
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Terrible caching systems and having a register that looks like spaghetti with viruses strewn about tends to do that. :rolleyes:

But I would think that 4 years of developpement might improve that. But the fact is that registry will still be a failure point. I heard that MS hired tons of hackers to test it... as if the "good" hackers are going to give their secrets away.

Leopard will crush Vista x10! IMO Tiger is still better, but at least Windows users will be able to say, "well, it only took 4 years to get us something new, and its almost as good as what you've got! *sigh*"
 
since this is a MAC forum, i don't expect you guys to be open minded about any other OS except for the craptastic OSX. but the truth is that Vista kick serious butt.
The biggest argument that an OSX user can say is that i'm safe from spyware and viruses.....big deal.....thats just cause nobody is interested in creating one for OSX cause it is insignificant compared to MS.
3rd party applications is what its all about....... with windows there are tons of choices but with OSX there are only a few. more like 1:5 or less.
MS is on top for a reason, because it does what needs to be done or you can get a 3rd party app to do it for you and there is tons of support for it.

OSX is cool too but not as great as you guys make it out to be. hopefully Leopard is less boring than Tiger.

the biggest arguments that you guys can make is that the transparencies in Vista is crap.......there's more to Vista than just AERO as there is more to OSX than the lack of viruses and spyware.

they both have their plus and minuses but seriously Vista is amazing if you know how to work with it. and soon there will be a plethora of 3rd party apps for it which will only make it even more better.
 
EM87 said:
IMO all Vista is is XP with a new GUI, I bet it will still not be stable and will get just as many viruses etc.
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Actually, its closer to Server 2003 in terms of the codebase and features than to XP.
 
Elisha said:
since this is a MAC forum, i don't expect you guys to be open minded about any other OS except for the craptastic OSX. but the truth is that Vista kick serious butt.
The biggest argument that an OSX user can say is that i'm safe from spyware and viruses.....big deal.....thats just cause nobody is interested in creating one for OSX cause it is insignificant compared to MS.
3rd party applications is what its all about....... with windows there are tons of choices but with OSX there are only a few. more like 1:5 or less.
MS is on top for a reason, because it does what needs to be done or you can get a 3rd party app to do it for you and there is tons of support for it.

OSX is cool too but not as great as you guys make it out to be. hopefully Leopard is less boring than Tiger.

the biggest arguments that you guys can make is that the transparencies in Vista is crap.......there's more to Vista than just AERO as there is more to OSX than the lack of viruses and spyware.

they both have their plus and minuses but seriously Vista is amazing if you know how to work with it. and soon there will be a plethora of 3rd party apps for it which will only make it even more better.
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You've got a point. I'm a long-time Apple and Mac OS/X fan and at the same time for some reason I think your basic point [unfortunately] is correct. The only way I see this changing is if Apple decided to open it's OS to generic hardware, but let's not get into that hell hole of a discussion ;)
 
Elisha said:
since this is a MAC forum, i don't expect you guys to be open minded about any other OS except for the craptastic OSX. but the truth is that Vista kick serious butt.
The biggest argument that an OSX user can say is that i'm safe from spyware and viruses.....big deal.....thats just cause nobody is interested in creating one for OSX cause it is insignificant compared to MS.
3rd party applications is what its all about....... with windows there are tons of choices but with OSX there are only a few. more like 1:5 or less.
MS is on top for a reason, because it does what needs to be done or you can get a 3rd party app to do it for you and there is tons of support for it.

OSX is cool too but not as great as you guys make it out to be. hopefully Leopard is less boring than Tiger.

the biggest arguments that you guys can make is that the transparencies in Vista is crap.......there's more to Vista than just AERO as there is more to OSX than the lack of viruses and spyware.

they both have their plus and minuses but seriously Vista is amazing if you know how to work with it. and soon there will be a plethora of 3rd party apps for it which will only make it even more better.
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What part of Vista "kick serious butt"? WinFS? Oh no, sorry, I forgot-its been taken out? EFI? Nope. SecurID support? Nope. Export to PDF? Nope. XPS? Nope! Powershell? Nope!
But enough about the features from Vista, that about new features. A GUI that makes you confused and loose productivity? Oh yes! DRM? Again, just another way to scam the consumer. The most annoying "feature" of an OS, called UAC? A kernel that doesn't allow anti-virus makers to make the (already un-secure OS) more secure? And you claim that you do not care about viruses? Say that when a virus has brought your Vista-based system to its knees, loosing all your data.
My point is, very little of Vista is actually any good. Sure, it may look nice while shopping for a new computer, but once you have used it for any amount of time (say 30 mins) you will realize that you should have got a Mac instead.

Why does Mac OS X suck? Really, I'm genuinely interested in this. No viruses, no spyware, no malware, it just works, etc etc.

3rd party apps. Well sure there are loads for Windows, but most of them suck? Why have 5 apps on Windows when just 1 on Mac OS X can do the job properly? The QoC of 3rd-party apps on Mac OS X is generally (ok, I'll admit not always, but usually) a lot better than the QoC of 3rd-part Windows apps.

Both Windows and OS X have good points and bad point, but the bad points of Vista far out-balance the good points.

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P.S., its "Mac" not "MAC". ;)
 
ChrisG said:
...Why have 5 apps on Windows when just 1 on Mac OS X can do the job properly?...
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I hate hearing that argument. It's totally LAME! Competition is good. Take, for example, personal finance managers. OS X has only 1 "real" personal finance manager, Quicken, AND IT TOTALLY SUCKS, and Intuit appears to intentionally make it SUCK! Windows, on the other hand, has two options: Quicken, and Microsoft Money. They are both lightyears ahead of the only OS X option, and the Windows user at least has the option to choose between Quicken or MS Money.
 
Vista has surely its advantages and its negative points. There are many things to like in the new OS but also many to dislike.

6 years after the release of XP Microsoft released a cut down version of the Os and named it Vista. The first four years were completely wasted as Microsoft realized that the announced features like WinFS would never make it on time for a release. Microsoft decided then to DROP the whole project and a new one arose! I know this from people inside Microsoft...

What you see in Vista is the work of the last TWO years! Vista isn't a major upgrade from XP, its a minor one. What has really changed:
  • The setup is very very good!
  • Imaging technology built into the Backup software plus the ability to online backup the running os. Restoration is possible through the Vista DVD
  • Reliability Tools have become available and make their appearance in Vista, like reliability monitor! Very good work!
  • Virtual Registry and Windows folder. Microsoft tries to solve the dll/registry hell problems by creating virtual instances of the window directory so that applications dont write into the real Windows directory. I find it ok as an idea but it doesnt really solve the DLL hell issue. MAC OS is far more better in this!
  • The new interface is for some people great, for other not. I don't like it. I don't understand why Microsoft took things that million of users knew how to use them, and hid them! For example, try changing IP Address, Display Resolution or finding the command prompt! They also hid the Run menu! Someone could enable it through Policies but why???? Its not really a new interface, the logic hasnt changed at all, Microsoft hid things and when the user finds them, he/she becomes the usual menu...
  • GUI consistency is long gone. every app seems to have its own style now...I don't like that at all...MAC OS is much better (though not perfect)
  • Security is better in Vista than Xp but still not up to the standards of MAC OS.
  • Microsoft now requires activation for the Enterprise Edition. This is outrageous! They should be ashamed of themselves. I used to work for Microsoft as a Technology Specialist and I can tell you that when I was at a customer, I got many questions about the activation. At that time activation was not part of the enterprise edition so I always replied like that: "Activation is for consumers, not for business users". I am happy I don't have to answer these questions now!
  • System Requirements really show that the OS isn't optimized enough...For the most business users Vista is a no go...
  • The new Windows Explorer is better than the previous one, stealing a lot of features found in Finder. The only issue with it is that it is too cluttered. Too much is going on and you can't have many information displayed on the screen as before.
  • Windows Media Center and tablet PC features are now included in the OS. That's good...
 
Elisha said:
since this is a MAC forum, i don't expect you guys to be open minded about any other OS except for the craptastic OSX. but the truth is that Vista kick serious butt.
The biggest argument that an OSX user can say is that i'm safe from spyware and viruses.....big deal.....thats just cause nobody is interested in creating one for OSX cause it is insignificant compared to MS.
3rd party applications is what its all about....... with windows there are tons of choices but with OSX there are only a few. more like 1:5 or less.
MS is on top for a reason, because it does what needs to be done or you can get a 3rd party app to do it for you and there is tons of support for it.

OSX is cool too but not as great as you guys make it out to be. hopefully Leopard is less boring than Tiger.

the biggest arguments that you guys can make is that the transparencies in Vista is crap.......there's more to Vista than just AERO as there is more to OSX than the lack of viruses and spyware.

they both have their plus and minuses but seriously Vista is amazing if you know how to work with it. and soon there will be a plethora of 3rd party apps for it which will only make it even more better.
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Your arguments have been refuted many times in various threads. Anyway, who cares about 5 times the amount of the same software if one already does it and better?
I am not saying Vista isn't a huge advancement over XP but better than OS X? In very, very few points.
 
The only question we should be asking is: Does Vista look better than XP? Yes, oui, da, ja!

So basically Vista is better looking in my opinion. Who cares about performance when it is running on a Mac right? :rolleyes:
 
I also want to add that for someone that owns XP, there is no real reason to upgrade. Nothing is really new or can't be done with extra software. Vista has really no value at all!
 
just remember this guys.....if you post this same question on a Windows forum, OSX will be torn to shreds and the only plus point worth mentioning would be that its spyware and virus free as well as the hardware looks cooler.

so for all you guys that are getting a swollen head thinking OSX is superior needs to realize that there are Vista lovers out there too.

its all personal preference.

i have had OSX hang on me more times in one week than Vista in one whole month.

again i like choice and and that is why i like Vista better than OSX.

and i also did the Vista Beta certification exam which introduced alot of hidden Vista features which i can't really discuss cause it may not be the same in the release version.

OSX doesn't just work.......it too has tons of flaws.
 
MacVault said:
I hate hearing that argument. It's totally LAME! Competition is good. Take, for example, personal finance managers. OS X has only 1 "real" personal finance manager, Quicken, AND IT TOTALLY SUCKS, and Intuit appears to intentionally make it SUCK! Windows, on the other hand, has two options: Quicken, and Microsoft Money. They are both lightyears ahead of the only OS X option, and the Windows user at least has the option to choose between Quicken or MS Money.
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That unaffects me personally because I don't use personal finance managers. If it's really that bad, don't use it. Simple as that.
 
MacVault said:
I hate hearing that argument. It's totally LAME! Competition is good. Take, for example, personal finance managers. OS X has only 1 "real" personal finance manager, Quicken, AND IT TOTALLY SUCKS, and Intuit appears to intentionally make it SUCK! Windows, on the other hand, has two options: Quicken, and Microsoft Money. They are both lightyears ahead of the only OS X option, and the Windows user at least has the option to choose between Quicken or MS Money.
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That has got to be one of the only examples ever where you can apply your argument. And even here I think things will change in time. There are a couple in development.

But anyway, normally the argument, that OS X has an app that can do the job the same way or better, applies.

Besides, there is always Parallels. I wouldn't give OS X up for one app that Windows may have over OS X, when the majority of the apps for OS X kick Windows apps across the room when it comes to usability.
 
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