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Vista is certainly a copy of OS X. Everybody knows that!

Its logical to copy features from other OSes. I don't blame Microsoft for that. I blame Microsoft for its inability the last 20 years to innovate!
They spend 4 billion Dollars a year in research and haven't made a single innovation!!!
Microsof lives by copying the others and implementing the copied features in their own way...

Vista is just a slightly better XP. It has a nicer front end. Its not a new interface! When the user finds his way through this front-end, the same old dialogues appear! There are no interface concepts, nothing...

If someone would like to make a list of all the features Microsoft copied this time then:

  • Windows Search ---- Spotlight
  • Windows Explorer ------ Finder
  • Gadgets ----- Widgets
  • Flip 3d ------- Expose
  • Windows Calendar ----- iCal
  • Windows Mail ------ Mail

Make no mistake, behind this front-end, there are still Dlls, the Registry and the same old i386 architecture design!

NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED!

There are some nice features but that doesnt make for the 6 years of waiting

Please don't also forget that the 64bit version of Vista is pretty much unusable! Just read Paul Thurrots Review!!!

If someone still doesn't see OS X in advantage, then he/she has a real problem!

I'm sorry, but this post is just plain out ridiculous. I really hope you aren't serious. The Vista kernel is completely new, i'd say that's a fairly significant change. Yes, they are still using the registry, but why is that such a bad thing? People quickly jump on the bandwagon and pick on features they have no understanding of. FWIW, there are those in the Linux community who have been crying out for a registry for years. Now i'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't, but don't diss a piece of technology just because it's popular to do so.

If you want to talk about copying features, i'm sure there are plenty that Windows could claim over OS X. One example is Time Machine, one of the big *exciting* features of Leopard has been available in Windows for YEARS (Volume Shadow Copy).

Oh and I know plenty of people who are running Vista x64 without a problem.

I agree with the other posters, why not tone down the fanboy-ism, it really doesn't help.

Damo
 
Copy? Windows Search is not a copy, similar technology (from microsoft and google) existed way before Spotlight and even then, you could say Apple copied the Quicksilver guys, who provided a similar feature for Jaguar... Apple does not own the credit to indexed searching.

Ask anyone and they will tell you the Finder in OSX sucks and Windows Explorer (especially in Vista) is much better, plain and simple, even Windows XP's explorer is better then OSX finder and you know what? They hardly have anything in common...

For the record, widgets are hardly an original idea, Konfabulator had them way before Tiger and Dashboard is suspiciously rather similar looking to Konfabulator, why don't you call out rip off there as well? Besides, Vista does Gadgets WAY better than Tiger ever will.

Don't throw out stupid comments please and stop being such a mac drone, its not like Apple doesn't "borrow" ideas as well, prime examples are spotlight and dashboard and even the new virtual workspaces feature... I'm not criticizing Apple for doing that (its not even copying) because its great but if you are going to bash Microsoft for the same thing and praise Apple... well I think you can figure out what you are.

And Vista's UI is not just a front end... and I really hope you have used the system because otherwise I'll lose all my faith in mac drones...

And please tell me, why is OS X so superior? Why do I have a real problem when I use Windows? Do you think OSX is flawless? Do you think OSX was not once an incredibly CRAPPY system (did you ever use 10.0?), do you think OSX never crashes and never misbehaves? Do you think that in my 6 years of OSX experience I've never had to troubleshoot and reinstall the OS?

I'm sick of hearing all this anti-windows and pro-osx crap, at least be objective, seriously some of your comments just scream "mac fanboy", yeah yeah, the microsoft copy jokes are fun and all but some of your borderline on absolute stupidity and ignorance, I do all my work in Windows, why? Because many apps are either not available in OSX or just run faster in Windows.

There is this negativity on Microsoft and fanboyism on Apple that has just GOT to STOP!, why is Apple such a genious at creating fanboys not fans? I'm a diehard mac user and lover but hell, I'm not going to be an ass about anything non-apple like some of you guys are.

Honestly, you sound just as bad as the 12 year olds who discuss consoles, you have no idea how childish and downright stupid and ignorant some of you guys sound. This is macrumors.com, not macdrones.com and if you are going to give an opinion on an operating system... at least make sure you use it for ore than 5 minutes (or hey, at least USE it).

You really have a problem reading and understanding at the same time. I can't help you, I am sorry.


I said I blame Microsoft for not innovating. Of course everybody copies ideas and tries to implement them in a different way, Microsoft DOES ONLY THAT.

I have used Vista since Beta 1 and I resend your comments about stupidity and ignorance.

If you don't see why MAC OS X is much better than Windows I am sorry for you...
If you don't know what DLL Hell is or what the Registry is then you better buy yourself a book and start reading.

Who told you that Windows is bad? I am just claiming that MAC OS X is better.


MAC OS X is more stable, has an intuitive user interface and application installation is a dream for windows users.

Of course Windows has its advantages. I was a fan of Microsoft for many years but I stopped being one when I saw what Microsoft really is. I worked for Microsoft you know! I have seen many things that I cannot publicize...

I talk regularly with my ex Microsoft colleagues which themselves don't know why someone should bother installing Vista!

I am sure that for a Windows user, Vista is an improvement, if he/she has the appropriate hardware.


If you want some MAC OS X advantages then just read:

* Intuitive Interface that saves the user from cluttered windows. Expose is really one of the best features found in a client OS.
* Application Installation doesn't mess with the OS. Uninstallation is usually done by deleting the app folder and the App Support app folder.
* The built-in applications are great to use: iLife 06 provides a unique out of the box experience
* MAC OS is safer as an OS
* MAC OS is more stable


If that's not enough for you then I am wondering what you are doing in a Macintosh forum.
 
I'm sorry, but this post is just plain out ridiculous. I really hope you aren't serious. The Vista kernel is completely new, i'd say that's a fairly significant change. Yes, they are still using the registry, but why is that such a bad thing? People quickly jump on the bandwagon and pick on features they have no understanding of. FWIW, there are those in the Linux community who have been crying out for a registry for years. Now i'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't, but don't diss a piece of technology just because it's popular to do so.

If you want to talk about copying features, i'm sure there are plenty that Windows could claim over OS X. One example is Time Machine, one of the big *exciting* features of Leopard has been available in Windows for YEARS (Volume Shadow Copy).

Oh and I know plenty of people who are running Vista x64 without a problem.

I agree with the other posters, why not tone down the fanboy-ism, it really doesn't help.

Damo
I don't know how old you are, but you should start respecting the others here.
Just read my post again and you will see that I said I dont blame Microsoft for copying! Everybody copies! It's just that this time they tried to make many things similar to MAC OS X.

I also use Windows and as a consultant I recommend Windows as a business client. MAC OS is far better as a consumer OS, as business OS it certainly has a lot to learn from Windows.

Vista doesn't have a new kernel! It has some kernel improvements that were needed in order to support faster boot times and support for the new multicore cpus but it doesn't have a new kernel! In fact the kernel of most OSes has many similarities and that would surprise a lot of people!
If you really think I am a fanboy then you should really start apologising because there are always some limits and if someone crosses them, then its time for the lawyers to contact you or anybody else that behaves likes that. Internet is great but in such an unmoderated Forum many of you cross the line and behave like small kids. I hate people that behave disrespectfully.
If you have an opinion about sth I will respect it even if I disagree. I won't call you stupid or fanboy...
 
I'd say the Windows people are going to be very happy and very satisfied...

Thanks for the review. However it compares to Mac OS X, more important is how it compares to WinXP & Win2K.

Many of us are forced to use Windows everyday (at work) and so a lot of us will benefit from any improvements in Vista. I like the pleasing look, and hopefully it will be easier to mange having lots of open windows than it currently is (my biggest gripe about windows--I have my task bar stacked 3 high and I still fill it up when doing several things at once).
 
Oh, I forgot something about Volume Shadow copy. This feature first appeared with Windows Server 2003 and up until now it needed a server plus the "previous versions client" in order to work. It was of use only in networked environments. The consumer couldn't ever possible use it.

With Vista this is now possible.

Yes, MAC OS X Leopard provides a very similar feature, the difference is the implementation. The user interface makes it possible for the average user to use with no difficulties.
VSS is a snapshot technology, Time Machine is a backup method! They do similar stuff but they are different technologically.
 
The Windows Registry started as a replacement of Win.ini and system.ini and unfortunately inherited many of their flaws. Its structure is cumbersome and complex and there is no clear line in how and where information is being stored. That makes the whole thing really bad.

I am an expert in Windows Registry, I do a lot of troubleshooting and solve issues by editing the registry, so I know what I am talking about.

The idea of a central repository is certainly a very good one, Microsoft needs to rewrite the registry but that would cause serious incompatibility problems. I think many times that Microsoft is a slave of its own success.
 
I don't know how old you are, but you should start respecting the others here.
Just read my post again and you will see that I said I dont blame Microsoft for copying! Everybody copies! It's just that this time they tried to make many things similar to MAC OS X.

I also use Windows and as a consultant I recommend Windows as a business client. MAC OS is far better as a consumer OS, as business OS it certainly has a lot to learn from Windows.

Vista doesn't have a new kernel! It has some kernel improvements that were needed in order to support faster boot times and support for the new multicore cpus but it doesn't have a new kernel! In fact the kernel of most OSes has many similarities and that would surprise a lot of people!
If you really think I am a fanboy then you should really start apologising because there are always some limits and if someone crosses them, then its time for the lawyers to contact you or anybody else that behaves likes that. Internet is great but in such an unmoderated Forum many of you cross the line and behave like small kids. I hate people that behave disrespectfully.
If you have an opinion about sth I will respect it even if I disagree. I won't call you stupid or fanboy...

First of all, what has my age got to do with anything? It certainly doesn't affect the amount of respect I have for people here, just as I assume yours doesn't.

What does affect my respect for people is when the make broad generalisations that are without foundation. You say things like OS X is more stable. Well, that may be true for some people, but it isn't for others. My own experience with OS X is that it crashes for me more often than, say Vista. Now this is just how it is for me, i'm sure everyone has different stories to tell. Also, you claim that Microsoft spends 4billion per year, yet they haven't innovated? C'mon, are you serious? That's the sort've comment that makes you sound like a fanboy (BTW I never called you stupid, you may wish to look up the definition of fanboy also).

I think you lack respect for others, why else would you say that anyone who can't see the OS X advantage has a real problem. I see advantages is both Mac and Windows land, does that mean I have a problem? You said that if I have an opinion about something, you'll respect that - sorry, doesn't sound like it from here! Shall I call my lawyers now too? (Of course I won't, that's just a joke).

If you don't blame Microsoft for copying, why was 1/2 your post devoted to it? And if you don't blame them, why not list the parts the OS X copies too, since it's clearly not a problem!

At the end of the day, this thread is just looking at Vista. Some people will like it, some people won't. I use it every day, just as I use OS X every day. And I happen to like them both.

Damo
 
If you want some MAC OS X advantages then just read:

* Intuitive Interface that saves the user from cluttered windows. Expose is really one of the best features found in a client OS.
* Application Installation doesn't mess with the OS. Uninstallation is usually done by deleting the app folder and the App Support app folder.
* The built-in applications are great to use: iLife 06 provides a unique out of the box experience
* MAC OS is safer as an OS

Now on all these points, I agree with you. I love Expose, it is the best feature on the Mac. I love how easy it is to install applications also, MS could learn a LOT here. Out of interest, how does large scale application deployment work in OS X land? What I mean by this is, if I want an application deployed automatically to 1000's of users, how would I do that? In Windows, you'd use something like SMS or an Altiris product. Is there something like this for OS X?

I also enjoy running a home computer WITHOUT anti-virus :D

Damo
 
First of all, what has my age got to do with anything? It certainly doesn't affect the amount of respect I have for people here, just as I assume yours doesn't.

What does affect my respect for people is when the make broad generalisations that are without foundation. You say things like OS X is more stable. Well, that may be true for some people, but it isn't for others. My own experience with OS X is that it crashes for me more often than, say Vista. Now this is just how it is for me, i'm sure everyone has different stories to tell. Also, you claim that Microsoft spends 4billion per year, yet they haven't innovated? C'mon, are you serious? That's the sort've comment that makes you sound like a fanboy (BTW I never called you stupid, you may wish to look up the definition of fanboy also).

I think you lack respect for others, why else would you say that anyone who can't see the OS X advantage has a real problem. I see advantages is both Mac and Windows land, does that mean I have a problem? You said that if I have an opinion about something, you'll respect that - sorry, doesn't sound like it from here! Shall I call my lawyers now too? (Of course I won't, that's just a joke).

If you don't blame Microsoft for copying, why was 1/2 your post devoted to it? And if you don't blame them, why not list the parts the OS X copies too, since it's clearly not a problem!

At the end of the day, this thread is just looking at Vista. Some people will like it, some people won't. I use it every day, just as I use OS X every day. And I happen to like them both.

Damo

My comment that if someone doesnt see the superiority of MAC OS X has a problem, was wrong and I take it back. I am sorry about it.
Of course there are advantages in both OSes, it is just sad to see someone trying to "borrow" ideas so often! Thats why I devoted half my post to that! Apple copies too but not on that grade.

The Microsoft Research is a department that tries to develop revolutionary technologies but up until now they have failed to bring sth on the market. Maybe in the future, who knows...
 
the transparency in the titles will make Vista hell for those who use glasses. Heck, I have 20/20 vision and it managed to freak me out a little, making me think I needed +2 in each eye :rolleyes:
 
Now on all these points, I agree with you. I love Expose, it is the best feature on the Mac. I love how easy it is to install applications also, MS could learn a LOT here. Out of interest, how does large scale application deployment work in OS X land? What I mean by this is, if I want an application deployed automatically to 1000's of users, how would I do that? In Windows, you'd use something like SMS or an Altiris product. Is there something like this for OS X?

I also enjoy running a home computer WITHOUT anti-virus :D

Damo

The overall out of the box experience is superior in MAC OS X. Everything just works. Its not a commercial, its the truth. Of course nothing is perfect!

Well, MAC OS X is more a consumer OS, so I don't think you will find many tools that do that kind of large scale deployments. Apple's Remote Desktop supports Automated Application Installation.

The truth is that Active Directory and Group Policies make Windows XP/Vista almost ideal for a company that wants to manage its desktop environment. Of course Windows XP/Vista needs that kind of control but still there are many things that you can do with policies that I don't think they are available anywhere else! I guess that someone with good Unix skills would be able to do sth similar on the Mac platform, but I don't think it would be so easy.
 
The Windows Registry started as a replacement of Win.ini and system.ini and unfortunately inherited many of their flaws. Its structure is cumbersome and complex and there is no clear line in how and where information is being stored. That makes the whole thing really bad.

I am an expert in Windows Registry, I do a lot of troubleshooting and solve issues by editing the registry, so I know what I am talking about.

The idea of a central repository is certainly a very good one, Microsoft needs to rewrite the registry but that would cause serious incompatibility problems. I think many times that Microsoft is a slave of its own success.

For sure, the registry has it's problems. I was hoping they'd do something amazing in Vista to remove it, but that never happened. They have made some improvements, through Registry virtualisation in some contexts. It could be improved, but the central repository idea is still a good one.

Application isolation will be the *next big thing* in Windows land. The idea is that the registry and local file system will be protected from changes when an application is installed. Applications will exist in a bubble (of sorts) with no impact on the local machine's files. The best thing about this is that existing applications can be used in this way (once the correct backend infrastructure is in place).

Damo
 
I unfortunately dont recall where I read this but I had read that vista is still vulnerable to over 90% of viruses that prior versions of windows were and still are. Dont know weather its the same for the adware, malware and other exploits.

When I eventually get a new quad core mac I will eventaully get vista as well to dual boot so that I can play Direct X 10 games like Crysis, but I will sure as hell disable the network card under vista and make sure that vista does not connect to anything especially the internet. Sure you could go and load up some 3rd pary anti virus and firewall package, which is so annoying when you get some pop up of some warning messege about some application or service trying to connect to where ever or what ever when your in the middle of playing a game, but why bother when you can have perfectly good security under OS X, and no annoying popup's of any sort
 
I have to play ignorant here, but what implementation besides a sort of Registry use Mac OS X? It's the registry so bad? Really don't know. And one other thing: Why OS X is not a dll hell? It's because the bundles in the .app? :confused:
 
I also want to add that for someone that owns XP, there is no real reason to upgrade. Nothing is really new or can't be done with extra software. Vista has really no value at all!

Ok, ok, let's calm down a little here. You can't seriously said that. I'm not windows fan, but i can see one thing that will make my life easier: saved searches. I always tag everything in iTunes, and i always wanted to do that in Windows, like you can in Tiger. With Vista I finally can.
And talking about Aero, if you don't liked, you can just turn it off. I never liked that crappy panel in Explorer (XP) with the related items in the left of every windows (it's a waste of screen space). So i just turn it off and that was the end of it. It's not really such a big deal, at least in my opinion. ;)
 
I have to play ignorant here, but what implementation besides a sort of Registry use Mac OS X? It's the registry so bad? Really don't know.

OSX uses XML files in a configuration directory, usually per user. In general this makes it easier to find what an application is storing (since the files are named after the application), easier to clean (delete the file), and less likely for corruption to affect the whole system.

And one other thing: Why OS X is not a dll hell? It's because the bundles in the .app? :confused:

Several reasons here, two of the bigger are:

1) OSX provides a far richer set of interfaces then Windows by default. The vast majority of system wide functions are provided by the OS, so there are fewer "system" libraries installed by applications

2) Owing to the unix background, multiple versions of the same library can co-exist, so one library being installed doesn't overwrite the older versions -- so application A can use library version 4.5.2, then application B can install and use library version 4.6.1, without affecting A's ability to use its preferred version.

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Another reason that often gets missed -- programming habits.

Owing to the original Macs with the toolbox in ROM, Mac developers are already in the habit of using the system provided libraries.

Windows, with the way it evolved, was much later providing that kind of toolbox, so many windows developers are still in the habit of rolling their own. One really obvious example of that has always been anything developed with Borland tools that even use their own buttons!

That is also one of the reasons why MS has more trouble implementing security models and providing backwards compatibility - long standing habits of their developer base that keep going "around" the API and doing things directly.

Before the arguing starts -- I'm not claiming mac developers are "better" or "worse" -- this is simply a culture that has come about based on the different evolution paths of the systems.
 
Ok, ok, let's calm down a little here. You can't seriously said that. I'm not windows fan, but i can see one thing that will make my life easier: saved searches. I always tag everything in iTunes, and i always wanted to do that in Windows, like you can in Tiger. With Vista I finally can.
And talking about Aero, if you don't liked, you can just turn it off. I never liked that crappy panel in Explorer (XP) with the related items in the left of every windows (it's a waste of screen space). So i just turn it off and that was the end of it. It's not really such a big deal, at least in my opinion. ;)

If you believe that after 6 years of development, the saved searches is a reason to upgrade, then go for it! Everybody needs to think about what a new OS really offers and act accordingly. I mostly see it from a business point of view, because of my job. As an MS Consultant I have to justify why a company should upgrade to Vista. Before someone here explodes, please dont give me the "feature list" that Microsoft provides. This is just marketing hype.

Of course Vista is better than Windows XP. Who said the contrary? I am just saying that for most people and companies the reasons to upgrade are very few.

Actually the only reason I can find is the need to have the newest OS available.
In a couple of years most of the Windows users will be definitely running Vista, most of them they will wait though till they need to get a new machine. I don't believe that many users will actually upgrade their systems.

I have also read how good Vista is for a laptop. The following is an email I got yesterday from Mark Minasi (Windows IT Pro Magazine):

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Aero Glass: One "Hot" Interface?
by Mark Minasi, senior contributing editor, help@minasi.com


I spent the vast majority of 2006 working 12 hours a day to pick apart, explore, and, often, enjoy Windows Vista's inner workings. I must admit, however, that I didn't spend much time with its Macintosh-inspired "Aero Glass" interface until the final product appeared in mid-November. After Vista's release to manufacturing (RTM), I thought, "What the heck," and put it on my Acer Ferrari 4000 laptop. After all, the laptop met Aero Glass's fussy requirements, and I'd seen several Microsoft speakers at this summer's TechEd run Aero Glass on Ferraris.

Aero Glass exploits a notion in video hardware called "3D." That descriptor doesn't mean that the video card can instantly render a full-motion animation of the DeathStar, texture and all (although some can); instead, it means that so-called 3D cards understand that even though your video screen presents a 2D face to the world, the Windows GUI has always been built on a bit more than two dimensions--call it 2.1 dimensions.

Ever since Windows 2.0, the OS has used overlapping windows--program windows that sit on top and obscure the windows "underneath" them. Thus, if you have Microsoft Word open and filling most of the screen and you open a Notepad window that overlays some of the Word window, then Windows must perform a bit of computation. It must draw the Word window and the Notepad window, then determine which Word pixels sit below the Notepad pixels and therefore shouldn't show up on the screen. Even if you've never thought about this GUI reality, you've seen the effects of making your already overworked CPU figure out which pixels overlay other pixels, a process technically called "clipping." Try to open a small window that's running an animation or video, then drag that window around your desktop. You'll see it leave unsightly "skid marks" behind. Those are an example of bad clipping.

Aero Glass puts an end to bad clipping by requiring a separate chip in your PC, a graphical processing unit (GPU), that handles the clipping for your GUI. The GPU makes for smooth click-n-dragging, and I guess that's not a bad thing. However, most GPUs also perform other functions such as fading, translucency, and shrinking--all lightning-fast. Microsoft decided to let Aero Glass showcase all those features, which leads to silly time-wasting features such as the tiny iconic representations of running programs that you see when you press Alt + Tab in Aero Glass, the silly Venetian-blind effect the interface offers, and the "lights up!" look when your desktop appears. I realize, it's all a symptom of Mac envy, but it seems silly to me. But, I thought at first, just silly.

But after I'd run Aero Glass for a few days, it dawned on me that the interface was more than just silly; it was bad for my PC. My Ferrari is equipped with a 2GHz Turion processor, which AMD rates to run at--believe it or not--up to 95 degrees Celsius. But most of the time, it ticks along in the high 50s or mid-60s. (I use the free utility Speedfan to monitor its temperature.) When running Vista with Aero Glass, however, my system immediately cranked itself up to 91 degrees C ... and stayed there. My response? Simple: I shifted Vista over to its excellent and flexible vanilla SVGA driver. The Ferrari idled back into the 50s and my blood pressure abated.

Look, I don't have enough systems to make any general statements about the effects of running Aero Glass on all Vista-ready laptops. But others have told me similar stories about their systems, and there's no way I'm going to run an OS that keeps my laptop nearly hot enough to boil water. Vista's pretty neat, particularly if the word "security" has significant meaning in your organization, but baking laptops just plays hell on that total cost of ownership (TCO) thing. So let me offer a suggestion to folks testing Vista for a corporate rollout: If you're thinking Aero Glass is the way to go, before you roll it out, do a temperature check on your system.

Happy Holidays!
 
I agree Petvas that there really isn't a compelling reason to upgrade to Vista right now... but what OS has ever accomplished that feat? The original X 10.0 certainly didn't do that (that was even a loss loss situation), and the new cat releases don't transmit that feeling (not that they don't bring significant improvements) either but you have to upgrade eventually.

I'd say the only real reason right now is stability and security, everyone jumps on me when I claim XP is a very secure OS, you just need to have the patience and will to set it up properly (though I do agree that doing this is not exactly intuitive or easy and yes I also agree XP is very vulnerable), Vista improves on this by providing an extremely secure system right out of the box with no configuration needed (I've checked my defender and avast logs... they haven't stopped ANYTHING so I might as well turn them off and would still be malware-free). I think that alone is reason enough to upgrade to Vista, especially considering how many users have trouble keeping XP safe. Vista introduces tons of high and low level security measures.

For me though, XP was safe enough and performed excellent, right now I'm using Vista because some of its features do make everyday life easier, but its not a dramatic change and I am having some compatibility and performance issues...
 
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I also want to add that for someone that owns XP, there is no real reason to upgrade. Nothing is really new or can't be done with extra software. Vista has really no value at all!
Ok, ok, let's calm down a little here. You can't seriously said that. I'm not windows fan, but i can see one thing that will make my life easier: saved searches. I always tag everything in iTunes, and i always wanted to do that in Windows, like you can in Tiger. With Vista I finally can.
And talking about Aero, if you don't liked, you can just turn it off. I never liked that crappy panel in Explorer (XP) with the related items in the left of every windows (it's a waste of screen space). So i just turn it off and that was the end of it. It's not really such a big deal, at least in my opinion.

I think he has a point at that Vista can be imitated in Windos XP, also from this comment I am thinking (Just guessing since I never touched Vista)
but from overall friends (pros and novices PC users) that Windows is the Windows ME to Windows XP just like Windows ME was just a polished version of Windows 98.
This is my guess but from overall feedback i seen not just here this OS seems to appear to be that.


Can i still use the beta? I dont know how everyone gets betas.
 
I think he has a point at that Vista can be imitated in Windos XP, also from this comment I am thinking (Just guessing since I never touched Vista)
but from overall friends (pros and novices PC users) that Windows is the Windows ME to Windows XP just like Windows ME was just a polished version of Windows 98.
This is my guess but from overall feedback i seen not just here this OS seems to appear to be that.


Can i still use the beta? I dont know how everyone gets betas.

By that reasoning, hell you can imitate OSX on XP and I'm sure you will all agree it still won't be the same.

I have used vista transformation packs on XP (for comparison's sake), they sure as hell are not the same as real Vista.
 
I am not talking about immitating Vista. I am talking about real features that Vista doesnt have that would really change a user's life, in comparison to Windows XP.
I don't think that the user interface is really new. I believe that it looks nice, especially for a novice user, but for the most advanced is really terrible. Most of them will completely turn it off and use Windows classic.

Now please someone tell me, if I turn off the interface, whats really the difference with XP?
 
I am not talking about immitating Vista. I am talking about real features that Vista doesnt have that would really change a user's life, in comparison to Windows XP.
I don't think that the user interface is really new. I believe that it looks nice, especially for a novice user, but for the most advanced is really terrible. Most of them will completely turn it off and use Windows classic.

Now please someone tell me, if I turn off the interface, whats really the difference with XP?

Apart from the basic end user features like search, sidebar, explorer, ie7 and all the out of the box software and overall the improvement of the ease of use of the OS.

There the redesigned network architecture thats easier to set up and improves performance. The graphic and overall performance optimizations and some high level features like SuperFetch and ReadyBoost.

And then there is all the security related features (which all by themselves are a big deal)

And thats just some stuff, for example, Vista does audio differently than XP, its more stable as it doesn't run on a kernel level which means you can update drivers without restarting and has some cool features like the mixer which allows you to set different volumes for every apps, its those minor improvements all around that when added up really make a difference.
 
Well I tried a game in Vista today, The Sims 2 and all of its expansiones, the game installed very easy, games explorer recognized the games just fine and performance wise I didn't notice a difference from XP, the game runs flawlessly under Vista, launches in a snap, works well when minimizing and maximizing back again and everything.

Well its all good here in Vista land thus far, here is a screenshot as always and this around I turned off trasparence and put the color to black to satisfy the "glass haters" :p

vistagame.jpg
 
Actually, its closer to Server 2003 in terms of the codebase and features than to XP.

Hmmm...

Old kernels:
Windows 5.0 = Windows 2000
Windows 5.1 = Windows XP
Windows 5.2 = Windows Server 2003
new "2003 based" kernel :
Windows 6.0 = Windows Visa

They're all the same codebase really. MS was writing a totally new OS (the original Longhorn) but then did a code reset, and completely started over using Windows 5.2 as the base. Longhorn (the 2002 build) was superb; it looked MUCH better than Vista does right now, and was far superior to OS X in my opinion. However, the hardware requirements were crazy and I think this is one reason MS abandoned it and went back to something they knew (the Windows 2003 kernel). In reality, the Vista we see today is only 2 and a bit years old.

Personally I really liked Vista (while I had it installed) and it will shortly be a bootcamp boot on my Mac Pro; I think I prefer the stability of OS X though. Vista is a little more pretty, but still suffers from driver issues and to be honest is fairly untested in the consumer market. I wouldn't suggest anyone uses it in anger until is has been around long enough to kill off ropey drivers and other bugs.
 
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