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Vista Impressions (and comparison to OSX) (56k warning)
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If he googled XP he'd have the same thing ..and a lot more resultsgoogle is very helpful,
though vista is now catching up to osx as far as performance and production, it still has one feature thet osx dosen't (no not clippy
PAINT! were the eff is our paint? yeah i know there are 3rd party apps but come on. apple is all about creating and sharing, so why do we not have an idraw, or added functionality to preview? What do you do with a done stock mac if you want to circle a part of a picture or post a note of just doodle dammit
apple has the tech in place with the core technologies, but when will we see this feature built in
seriously; a paint app would be perfect, and it took me awhile to find seashore (I used Graphic Converter on my old mac, but it wasn't that great). Apple goes on and on about making its computers fun and practical, but no idraw or anything. Maybe it'll be the 'one more thing' at MWSF
I did post it, look on Page 4 I think.
But to save you the trip here is the image anyways:
You may think it looks good, but I think that the partially transparent window title bars look HORRIBLE. The whole screen ends up looking like a smudgy mess. Like its done in water color and some little kid put his wet hands over everything and erased half the characters.
It strains my eyes. I keep trying to make out what it says. I much prefer the OSX version.
Since everything is an option in Windows, I would hope that you can change the transparency to remove or at least reduce the smudge effect.
I also think the 3d Windows panes as the equivalent of Exposé is really weak. Maximum flash for least usefulness. I saw a demo of someone actually trying to use it. it was really hard to remember where you are in a loop of lots of windows. There's no meaning to the order. Easy to keep going around in circles. Timemachine is a much better use of the same effect where the order has meaning as you move back in time. Likewise Exposé looks much nicer in that it gives you a clue for where the windows really are and just spreads them out a little. Much more natural a concept.
YMMV. Overall I'm sure Windows folks will like it and think Mac OS X copied Vista. I think the biggest nail in Vista's coffin is that security is still horrendous. There's nothing Microsoft can do about it until they start running virtual machines to limit the damage from legacy applications.
It strains my eyes. I keep trying to make out what it says. I much prefer the OSX version.
Since everything is an option in Windows, I would hope that you can change the transparency to remove or at least reduce the smudge effect.
I also think the 3d Windows panes as the equivalent of Exposé is really weak. Maximum flash for least usefulness. I saw a demo of someone actually trying to use it. it was really hard to remember where you are in a loop of lots of windows. There's no meaning to the order. Easy to keep going around in circles. Timemachine is a much better use of the same effect where the order has meaning as you move back in time. Likewise Exposé looks much nicer in that it gives you a clue for where the windows really are and just spreads them out a little. Much more natural a concept.
YMMV. Overall I'm sure Windows folks will like it and think Mac OS X copied Vista. I think the biggest nail in Vista's coffin is that security is still horrendous. There's nothing Microsoft can do about it until they start running virtual machines to limit the damage from legacy applications.
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Thanks for that. Dont know about you but i think this looks a little like OS X as well...
I'm an ex PC user and to me it is all about what is better. I respect quality and innovation and I want to use the best computer that I can get. And I chose Apple.
Thus I have some problems with your post. You are coming from a windows centric perspective. Everything you see is filtered throughout he eyes of a true blue windows user. And that's fine. I just feel it should be brought to your attention.
From a Mac user's perspective, Windows doesn't want to play nice with OS X. Many of the "features" of windows networking come from the fact that windows has a sloppy file permissions system.
You speak of how OS X can't support software from the 80's... Is that really a bad thing. OS X is about innovation. Out with the old in with the new. Would it really have been a good idea to just try to make OS 9 work. I liek that Apple isn't a scared company sitting on their entrentched market share. Apple takes risk.
The thing that truly keeps me away from windows is that they windows will be doing the same asinine behaviors because its legacy support. The legacy support is for Microsoft's own sake as well as the user. The Legacy is designed to keep their monopoly stable. Microsoft isn't being a philanthropist by supporting Dos apps from the 80s.
I hated Macs before OS 10.3.3. But now that I've been on OS X for 3 years... I just don't see the appeal of Vista.
There are some things that I liked in XP. How you can assign icons to folders, print from selection, and the level up button in exploer. But their is nothing that I miss. I honestly don't think Vista will change this.
Huh? If anything icon customization is a million percent better in OS X, unless you're talking about something else. But I agree with the rest of your post. Apple had the opportunity to make OS X as good as it is because they scrapped backwards compatibility (though Classic did a decent job until the move to Intel). I think MS at some point is going to have to do the same, and I'll applaud them when they do.
I still hate Windows font rendering, not matter how good a typeface (re: Frutiger/Segoe scandal) they chose to rip off. Actually I'm not sure if the Vista system font is Segoe, it looks exactly like whatever font they use in XP to me, can anyone tell?
Vista looks kind of cool, it's nice. Don't know if it's as intuitive as OS X and don't think it necessarily looks "better"!
However the downer is licensing. One license - one PC - one transfer (and new components can count as a transfer - it can detect changes). No virtualisation use unless volume or business license.
I guess if you have a near monopoly you can lay down the law but I think this will work against them in the long run.
They obviously see Apple growing with the help of Boot camp and Virtualisation and ain't standing for it!
However the downer is licensing. One license - one PC - one transfer (and new components can count as a transfer - it can detect changes). No virtualisation use unless volume or business license.
I guess if you have a near monopoly you can lay down the law but I think this will work against them in the long run.
They obviously see Apple growing with the help of Boot camp and Virtualisation and ain't standing for it!
MS still does not get it!
I agree that Vista looks 'nice' now because it has brand new interface and all. However, looking at the snapshots, Vista is nowhere near the quality of OS X interface. Vista still lacks of coolness and simplicity of OS X. While there are areas where OS X can be better, OS X is still by far the most elegant, coolest, and 'cutest' operating system in the world.
I get headache looking at those Vista snapshots. To me, they just look horribly crowded, confusing, and unorganized. It is like somebody is trying to wear too much gold and diamonds to impress somebody. Well, the result, not so impressive. It is more like embarrassing.
I agree that Vista looks 'nice' now because it has brand new interface and all. However, looking at the snapshots, Vista is nowhere near the quality of OS X interface. Vista still lacks of coolness and simplicity of OS X. While there are areas where OS X can be better, OS X is still by far the most elegant, coolest, and 'cutest' operating system in the world.
I get headache looking at those Vista snapshots. To me, they just look horribly crowded, confusing, and unorganized. It is like somebody is trying to wear too much gold and diamonds to impress somebody. Well, the result, not so impressive. It is more like embarrassing.
While vista does like nice, like everything microsoft does, it's overly complicated. "Microsoft has no tast!... I don't mean that in a small way, I mean it in a big way" -Steve Jobs
i think you should look at this video. it looks kinda cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndylA9g9c18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndylA9g9c18
Talk about being narrow-minded...
Nobody is arguing that OSX is perfect, however its far better then anything Microsoft can produce. OSX having errors has nothing to do with Windows having 50 times the problems. And honestly, you may hate to admit it, but almost everything Apple makes, IS the best thing ever. There's a reason they're copied left and right.
Talk about being narrow-minded...
In some way you're right, I shouldn't have that point of view. But I feel Microsoft's work has been limited to trying to extend a not-so-good OS. I have lost a lot of time getting frustrated with Windows problems.
Anyway I don't remember saying OSX doesn't have problems or something similar
I am sure the time to blame on Apple will come, but now it is Microsoft's
In some way you're right, I shouldn't have that point of view. But I feel Microsoft's work has been limited to trying to extend a not-so-good OS. I have lost a lot of time getting frustrated with Windows problems.
Anyway I don't remember saying OSX doesn't have problems or something similar
Yeah I've felt that way too but Microsoft has been putting out some very impressive software lately and their whole "Live" theme is very well done, I've never been excited about a new Windows OS but I am very excited about Vista, so I think thats something.
I installed Vista on my MBP and its great stuff, Vista is fast on my crap PC but its blazingly fast on my MBP and WAY faster than XP on the same MBP, so its more than cosmetic changes, its funny how Mac haters use the very same arguments you guys do like "its all an eyecandy-ish GUI and nothing else, etc"
Its not so absurd right now to think that Microsoft might trash Apple one day in the software game... which is only a good thing because Apple will come up with something better and so on and so forth.
By the way the system font is indeed Segoe UI or at least its not what XP used.
P.D: Just installed Photoshop CS2, works like a charm under Vista.