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vista ultimate better- reason for leopard delay
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The only noticeable feature of Vista over XP is Aero, now granted I have only used Home Premium but still it's not a great OS.
To the OP how much RAM did you have in the Macbook? You really need 1-2GB RAM for both OS X and Vista.
To the OP how much RAM did you have in the Macbook? You really need 1-2GB RAM for both OS X and Vista.
I actually didn't know but it makes sense because Steve wasn't even at Apple from 85-97.
My brother goes to Belmont University in Tennessee, and they sent an email out to all students saying that no one is allowed to upgrade to Vista or Office '07, that it is considered an unstable operating system.
They even went as far as establishing a network-wide block that blocks Windows Vista from accessing the school network.
Oh well, 93% of the campus students (including my brother) use Macs.
Amen. Here's my Vista usability story:
3 of us in a Prague hotel last week, excited as hell that we have free Internet (after having paid $13/hour for it in our Munich hotel).
Only problem is, it's wired (CAT5), and there's only one jack in the room. Not good with three laptops (2 OS X + 1 Vista) all wanting to get on.
So then I rememberd that OS X can do Internet Connection Sharing, so I plugged my MBP into the jack, and never having used that feature before, I had everything setup in less than a minute.
Next day the roommate wants to use his Vista machine to do the same thing (Internet Connection Sharing). It took us over 10 minutes (and wading thru Windows Help hyperlink after hyperlink) to get it figured out. And the best part was when he turned it off, Vista didn't have the courtesy of setting his WiFi settings back up like they were before he shared (i.e. remove the static IP and switch it back to DHCP), so for the next two days, he was unable to connect to any other WiFi network.
I guess my point is that some things in Vista are just as convoluted as they were in XP and 2000. Tasks that should be easy (like Internet Connection Sharing) require multiple steps to be done in different areas of the OS and are absolutely unintuitive.
I just got back from my sisters house where I upgraded her laptop from XP to Vista. Completely un-user friendly 1.) It took 4 hours to do the install 2.) there were very long periods of time that it was just a black screen. Awful experience. Next time i have to do this (I am family IT support) i will just wipe the drive an install everything new will take easily less than half the time.
The end result an operating system that has no advantages to my sister who uses it for Word documents + internet. I showed her the windows flip 3D thing her response "that is far too confusing for me" shows how pointless the upgrade was for her. (I did advise her that it was pointless for her but she wanted it anyway as she had the disks)
The end result an operating system that has no advantages to my sister who uses it for Word documents + internet. I showed her the windows flip 3D thing her response "that is far too confusing for me" shows how pointless the upgrade was for her. (I did advise her that it was pointless for her but she wanted it anyway as she had the disks)
Yup, too much eye candy rots your eyes out. Just imagine the dentist's drill heading for your eye.
I've had very limited exposure to Vista to date, though I have a box of Vista Business to play with once iTunes is fully Vista happy.
My issues with Vista are similar to those I encountered moving from 2K to XP, just magnified by the fact that XP was around for so long... There are so many things they have moved in the UI, "just because". The Control Panel changes so much from version to version you can hardly find anything close to where it was in the last version.
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Didn't they just fix this see here for the patch + kb article
Like the personalise option for changing the display options rather than one window you now get multiple.
What, no wizard? I bet there was a wizard. In Windows, there's always a wizard. I'd almost be disappointed if Microsoft figured out how to make their OS do basic stuff in a logical enough way that the wizards could be banished to the dungeon, never to be seen again.
Wait, I just realized: The wizards must serve all that eye candy. Maybe that's what makes Windows users minds rot.
I'm waiting for the next version of iTunes from Apple, there still seem to be some lingering issues with the recent patches. Of course, by then I might replace the Dell with yet another Mac.
That's exactly what I'm referring to. What happened to: right click on the desktop, display properties.
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I think that Vista is a definite improvement over XP in a lot of areas, and certain areas that Apple certainly could do with having a look at themselves (i.e ReadyBoost)
However, one thing that has really kept Vista back, and turned me off is it's legacy code. The default icons look great, and are finally nice to look at, but dig anywhere below the surface and you'll find mismatches and icons still left over from Win 95. The BIGGEST thing that Windows has wrong with it is the registry. Why on earth would you have ALL your settings and variables in one place to be easily corrupted? Anything wrong with the registry and you're p.c refuses to work.
Anybody remember Windows Longhorn? When it first was announced? Brand new code, brand new underlying architecture. The sidebar was actually an extension of the taskbar, and not just full of gadgets. WinFS - basically eliminating the need for indexing, giving instant searches, getting rid of the hierarchical file stuctures, making everything you wanted right at your fingertips? And FINALLY getting rid of all that excess driver luggage?
But then Dell and everybody else forced them back into what became Windows Vista, all because the new Windows Longhorn would have NOTHING to do with the old Windows. Just kinda proves that Microsoft isn't all that powerful. They still rely on sales, just as Apple does, just as the rest of the industry does.
Now, Vista has been a large contributing factor to me switching, but thats not to say it's evil, or bad, it's got some pretty good features that Mac OS X could learn off (and please lets stop this whole YOU COPIED US - you have to copy if you want to improve, isn't that what competition is based on?) It's a shame Microsoft missed their chance to make a brand new OS, not just a evolution of one dating back from 1994.
However, one thing that has really kept Vista back, and turned me off is it's legacy code. The default icons look great, and are finally nice to look at, but dig anywhere below the surface and you'll find mismatches and icons still left over from Win 95. The BIGGEST thing that Windows has wrong with it is the registry. Why on earth would you have ALL your settings and variables in one place to be easily corrupted? Anything wrong with the registry and you're p.c refuses to work.
Anybody remember Windows Longhorn? When it first was announced? Brand new code, brand new underlying architecture. The sidebar was actually an extension of the taskbar, and not just full of gadgets. WinFS - basically eliminating the need for indexing, giving instant searches, getting rid of the hierarchical file stuctures, making everything you wanted right at your fingertips? And FINALLY getting rid of all that excess driver luggage?
But then Dell and everybody else forced them back into what became Windows Vista, all because the new Windows Longhorn would have NOTHING to do with the old Windows. Just kinda proves that Microsoft isn't all that powerful. They still rely on sales, just as Apple does, just as the rest of the industry does.
Now, Vista has been a large contributing factor to me switching, but thats not to say it's evil, or bad, it's got some pretty good features that Mac OS X could learn off (and please lets stop this whole YOU COPIED US - you have to copy if you want to improve, isn't that what competition is based on?) It's a shame Microsoft missed their chance to make a brand new OS, not just a evolution of one dating back from 1994.
In response to the OP, how about this for a plausible excuse for the Leopard delay: Vista is such a lame improvement over XP, Apple felt no compulsion to rush out and launch Leopard as Tiger is more than a match for it. At any rate, only Steve and Avie know for sure and they're not about to tell us.
2gb ram,
it wasn't that office 2004 was slow. it was just the random fan thing was very irritating.
after powerpoint gave me a nice embarassing full on fan lift off during a presentation at uni, i decided enough is enough and sold my macbook,
my friend has a macbook with similar issues, so i don't think i got a lemon
in all fairness, my brother has an imac and doesn't have these issues, so perhaps it is just a macbook related problem.
i like tiger and apple software in general but I think apple's hardware quality control is very shoddy.
i had 3 replacement macbooks before i got one that was working according to its specs.
yes, vista has eye candy. but after the glamor and wow wears off, what do you have left? i would prefer a OS that had good, core changes. the original longhorn sounded kick ass, to the point that it could rival the mac OS. now, it is just a very pretty XP. try changing the visual settings to classic or w/e. its xp. WOW... nothin like make up to change my user experience. of course, Leopard should put this speculation behind us, because once the full version out i think the 2+ year wait we're on will be worth it.
Sloppy programming?! You obviously dont know what you're talking about. To make a PPC appication run seamlessly on an entire;y different processor architecture is an incredibly hard task. To make it run at only about 1.7x slower than it could have (if it was native) is even harder.
You sould be grateful that it runs at all and blame M$ for not making an UB version of it's Office.
Apple has done an amazing job with making PPC apps run on Intel-based Macs.
totaly agree with that. it is a feat. even though im still on the PPC, i think that the way that apple has handled the transition is the best in the industry. by far. they didnt bloat at all. so, the only thing to blame for your misforune is MS because of thier lack of intrest in the mac industry.
Yes it is. You haven't used it yet. Either that or you don't know how the black hats are 0WNing you.astranovus said:
This sounds expensive. Apps that are or should be self-explanatory and people need training? Where do you work? LOLastranovus said:
No it's not. It's true. Maybe you never turn your glorious box on? That's the only way any product from M$ will ever be secure anyway.astranovus said:
You possess that quality?astranovus said:
So you're astroturfing for M$? What do they pay you anyway? LOLastranovus said:
Oh HORSE PUCKEY. This poster is an intruder. An intruder and a troll.astranovus said:
Facts. Jobs wanted Sculley out and Sculley wanted Jobs out. Jobs wasn't "sidelined" - he was BOOTED.flopticalcube said:
Also: he didn't return until 1997. The ink dried on the contract in December 1996 but nothing took place until after the new year. Also: Jobs didn't really come back to Apple until July 1997.
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No it's not. It's the same thing as Aqua but implemented in the Microsoft way (tm). It requires four times the hardware and doesn't do half the job and it's a clumsy rip-off of an idea that the Microsofties didn't even understand.
M$ still use pixel graphics and integer screen coordinates. NeXTSTEP and now OS X have been using vector graphics and floating point coordinates for almost twenty freaking years. Plus they have their alpha channels for 'shared pixels' and transparency. All M$ have done is try to copy that. Sad but true. But then again you can accuse Bill Gates of a lot of things but one thing you can never accuse him of is being original.
Perhaps you misunderstand what Rosetta (and to a lesser extent Classic before it) do?No it's not. Where do you get that from?
How many programs have YOU ported?
Think bochs, not "porting", and if you've ever run anything under emulation liek bochs, you'd know how it's easy to get it working, but NOT as fast as Rosetta.
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If your getting kernal panics on a windows machine then that would be a big deal, so as long as I'm here I have never had a blue screen of death when using OS 10.4, does that mean OSX is better then windows? oh thats right windows Vista doesn't get kernal panics.
Just joshin' ya.
But, no the leopard delay is not because of Vista. All the new features that Vista has came from OS X for the most part. sorry...
Just joshin' ya.
But, no the leopard delay is not because of Vista. All the new features that Vista has came from OS X for the most part. sorry...