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My time is not free. When I think about how much time it would cost me to shut down OS X, the boot up Windows, then shut down Windows, boot up OS X, just to use an app, the cost of more memory and a license for virtual machine software is minimal. I run Windows apps on my work desktop all day (an iMac). I wouldn't get anything done if I had to reboot to swap back and forth all day.

Now, some people might use Windows infrequently, or exclusively for long stretches enough to justify not using a virtual machine. But for others a vm is the only way to be productive.

Amen.
 
Very disappointed

I purchased VMWare Fusion 6 less than a week ago for over $60 AUS.

Today I discover they release a version 7, and offer an upgrade for almost the same expense as the original purchase price despite me only having the program 6 days, and using it 2 times.

To buy it outright is only $10 more.

Absolute joke, and I will be pulling my corporate order for the Health Department over 11,000 licenses as soon as I get to work tomorrow morning unless they rectify this issue immediately.

They have clearly been deceptive, and customer service is non-existent.
 
Now the big question is: did VMware manage to supersede Parallels once again in performance?

Once again? Parallels 9 was miles ahead in graphics performance compared to Fusion 6. I worked with both to see which one played better with my games (yes, I game on my VMs). Now I need to know if this year this trend breaks or it continues.
 
No one really wants to run Windows 8.anything on a PC, let alone on a Mac. Any Windows user or IT person I know either uses Win 7 Pro still or wishes they could.

incorrect. im a .NET dev, i run win81 and wish to.

so there ya go.
 
Is there any advantage to running Windows in bootcamp over Parallels/Fusion?

Folks seem to be having a problem with this Windows / Bootcamp / Fusion thing! The point is that Windows is running within MacOS under Fusion (or Parallels). It means you don't have to log out of MacOS and reboot into Windows. I run Fusion on both my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro and it means I can drop from one environment directly into the other - you can even have MacOS and Windows running in the same screen rather than a separate "virtual screen" but that can be confusing.

With a bit of careful drive mapping you can copy files between environments which can be useful when Mac Stuff doesn't quite work like Win stuff e.g. creation of PDF from a WORD document containing hyperlinks - for some reason Office for Mac WORD won't enable hyperlinks in the PDF.

The only drawbacks are:

(1) you need powerful machine as you need to allocate resources - memory and processor cores between MacOS and Win. I've got 16GB in both of my Macs which means my virtual Win environment is pretty powerful;

(2) Virtualisation isn't 100% native Windows - although I have say Fusion has got a lot closer since the days of version 2! If you need 100% native Windows that's when you need to use Bootcamp;

(3) Fusion uses the same "copy" of Windows in Bootcamp and Fusion. This sometimes gives the Windows genuine software check the hump when moving from Fusion to Bootcamp but (so far) this has been solved by simple reregistration;

(4) You will need to buy a separate copy of Windows 64 bit to run with Fusion but it works extraordinarily well and I rarely need 100% native windows.

NB: Office 365 membership allows you to install up to 5 copies of Office on your machines and that includes Office for Mac.:apple:
 
Why not VirtualBox?

I seldom need a PC environment except for a couple of PC-specific applications I need to do risk management. I've tried various solutions and for me the one that makes most sense is Oracle's VirtualBox. It's FREE, it's stable, and it works. It also was possible to export my VM to a second system so I could run applications on my laptop without having to rebuild the entire VM.

I highly recommend.
 
I purchased VMWare Fusion 6 less than a week ago for over $60 AUS.

Today I discover they release a version 7, and offer an upgrade for almost the same expense as the original purchase price despite me only having the program 6 days, and using it 2 times.

To buy it outright is only $10 more.

Absolute joke, and I will be pulling my corporate order for the Health Department over 11,000 licenses as soon as I get to work tomorrow morning unless they rectify this issue immediately.

They have clearly been deceptive, and customer service is non-existent.

Not sure about VMWare, but Parallels offers a free upgrade to Parallels 10 if you bought Parallels 9 and activate it between August 1 and October 15. I would be surprised if VMWare didn't have a similar program.
 
Try VirtualBox - It's FREE

I purchased VMWare Fusion 6 less than a week ago for over $60 AUS.

Today I discover they release a version 7, and offer an upgrade for almost the same expense as the original purchase price despite me only having the program 6 days, and using it 2 times.

To buy it outright is only $10 more.

Absolute joke, and I will be pulling my corporate order for the Health Department over 11,000 licenses as soon as I get to work tomorrow morning unless they rectify this issue immediately.

They have clearly been deceptive, and customer service is non-existent.

Oracle offers a free VM environment called VirtualBox that is a great product, works well, and did I mention ... It;s FREE.
 
Not sure about VMWare, but Parallels offers a free upgrade to Parallels 10 if you bought Parallels 9 and activate it between August 1 and October 15. I would be surprised if VMWare didn't have a similar program.

They do I think it goes back to Aug 1.
 
Can anyone give me just one reason, why to buy this if you want to run Windows on your Mac? We have Bootcamp and it's free - With VMware you have to pay for both Windows and VMware.

VMware must be slower than running a real install. And it costs you more.

I work supporting multiple businesses who run both Mac and Windows servers. I have to run both Windows and Mac OS at the same time. Just because you don't have the need to do something doesn't mean others also don't!
 
How does this one compare to Parallels 10?

Within about a week you'll have official comparisons on Anadtech and MacWorld.

Feature wise it seems less impressive than Parallels which integrates some of Continuitys features, but I don't use those. VMWare tends to be slightly slower than Parallels, but more stable with greater support.

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My time is not free. When I think about how much time it would cost me to shut down OS X, the boot up Windows, then shut down Windows, boot up OS X, just to use an app, the cost of more memory and a license for virtual machine software is minimal. I run Windows apps on my work desktop all day (an iMac). I wouldn't get anything done if I had to reboot to swap back and forth all day.

Now, some people might use Windows infrequently, or exclusively for long stretches enough to justify not using a virtual machine. But for others a vm is the only way to be productive.

Oh my gosh, yes. Especially when you are using Excel/Access throughout the day. I was not going to reboot 10+ a day.
 
Oracle offers a free VM environment called VirtualBox that is a great product, works well, and did I mention ... It;s FREE.

Its a good product,but if you need faster performance your better off with Parallels or Fusion. There's more functionality in these two than VirtualBox too.
 
I purchased VMWare Fusion 6 less than a week ago for over $60 AUS.

Today I discover they release a version 7, and offer an upgrade for almost the same expense as the original purchase price despite me only having the program 6 days, and using it 2 times.

To buy it outright is only $10 more.

Absolute joke, and I will be pulling my corporate order for the Health Department over 11,000 licenses as soon as I get to work tomorrow morning unless they rectify this issue immediately.

They have clearly been deceptive, and customer service is non-existent.

You get a free upgrade. Just wait a few days and they will email you the details on how to upgrade for free if you bought from them. If you bought from someone else just submit your license

https://www.vmware.com/support/fusion/faq/licensing

"Customers who purchased VMware Fusion 6 from August 1 through September 30, 2014 are covered by the Technology Guarantee Program for VMware Fusion and are eligible for a complimentary electronic upgrade to VMware Fusion 7: - See more at: https://www.vmware.com/support/fusion/faq/licensing#sthash.O6aHaPuT.dpuf"
 
Dual GPU support ? That's interesting. I wonder how they take advantage of this. We might be close to the day where graphics intensive apps/games will run faster inside a VM, than native.

My thoughts exactly. How can I get this super awesome GT750M to play PC games at a high level.

Does Boot Camp even have drivers for this? esp. PhysX?
 
Finally retina display support for unity mode. But sadly still smaller UI if you virtualize the Bootcamp Windows in Mac OS...

Wow! I didn't know that! That is huge for me. In VMW 6, if I try to use unity I get massively overblown windows.
 
My thoughts exactly. How can I get this super awesome GT750M to play PC games at a high level.

Does Boot Camp even have drivers for this? esp. PhysX?

It's not what it sounds like. It basically means you can use the Integrated or nVidia depending on your usage like running a 3D or running office. Except, regardless, its still a emulated video card in the VM.
 

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I don't suppose Fusion 7 has better drivers for Snow Leopard (Server) as a guest OS?! I'd love to see real Sound and better graphics support. These features would make it a must buy upgrade for us. (for the few apps we need/want Rosetta for)
 
My thoughts exactly. How can I get this super awesome GT750M to play PC games at a high level.

Does Boot Camp even have drivers for this? esp. PhysX?

Using the official drivers from nvidia, you should be able to use PhysX in bootcamp (as long as this card model supports it, which I bet it does).

It's not what it sounds like. It basically means you can use the Integrated or nVidia depending on your usage like running a 3D or running office. Except, regardless, its still a emulated video card in the VM.

Indeed, I've seen it at the vmware site later on. So it's not actually a dual gpu support, but the option to use the integrated one to save battery life.

Still, I think that would be a great goal to set for fusion or parallels; making use of the dual GPUs would give us great performance in VMs. Especially, as long as apple doesn't offer a real crossfire in OS X, that would be a killer feature for the virtual machines.
 
Fusion PRO is the professional product. Normal Fusion is marketed at home users and started cheap, but got more expensive with time. It's not like we talk about ESX here...

The sticker shock of today's Fusion 7 upgrade path gave me pause. I paid $48 for my upgrade to Fusion 6 Pro last December. Same price for when I did the Fusion 5 Pro upgrade in 2012. Now the Fusion 7 Pro upgrade is $80. A full $30 more jump.

It's a useful product. Not knocking that part. And I know costs go up. But I am being honest when I say that an upgrade cost of $59 would be a lot easier to swallow than $79.
 
They seem to have basically just gone to annual subscription model. They should just market it as such and avoid all of the negative that accompanies every new release of their product. This would avoid all the "what I have to pay again" threads every single year.
 
Unfortunately I don't think it means what you think. It sounds like if you have a MBP with 2 GPUs you can select which one to use.

"Dual GPU Optimization - For MacBook Pros with a discrete GPU as well as an integrated GPU, Fusion 7 Pro lets users choose which GPU to use for 3-D applications. Selecting the integrated GPU enables longer battery life, while selecting the discrete GPU offers high performance for 3-D applications in a virtual machine"

Hmmm, but if I have a Mac Pro with dual FirePro D500s, can I choose to dedicate one GPU to Fusion 7 while the other is dedicated to Yosemite?

I haven't heard that Yosemite is optimized yet for dual GPU usage (like Crossfire mode). From what I can see, one of my GPUs remains largely idle most of the time. If that's the case, I could run dedicate an entire GPU to Windows while the other supports OS X.

Thoughts?
 
They seem to have basically just gone to annual subscription model. They should just market it as such and avoid all of the negative that accompanies every new release of their product. This would avoid all the "what I have to pay again" threads every single year.

FTR, I don't mind "paying again" just not quite the increase they bumped it up to this year.
 
If you try to keep it online without anti-virus protection will become virused beyond usage within minutes. I did this with ALL windows versions since win '98 and NONE of them resisted more then 10-15 minutes before getting so many viruses that became useless.

Take your Apple tinted lenses off. You clearly do not know how to use a modern Windows operating system then. My W7 installation NEVER got 1 virus and this was just with Windows Defender (I only use it for games). This virus problem has been mitigated since XP.
 
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