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I’ve been considering ducking the entire issue of VM on an M1 machine by using a setup with either a Mini or iMac M1 machine as my main system and have a System76 Meerkat headless box for Linux that I would access from the M1 machine either via ssh or something like NoMachine for a GUI connection. Has anyone tried NoMachine on an M1 system?
 
I made a serious mistake of acquiring M1 hardware without thoroughly checking its compatibility with my work. When M1 first came out I immediately got myself a Mac Mini only to find out VMware doesn't have a Fusion version that would work with it. Main part of my work is using a CentOS8 VM on Fusion and that's not gonna work.

I had no choice but to continue using my previous Mac. The M1 Mini has beeing sitting on my desk collecting dust the whole time. I do switch to it once in a while for various browsing activities but the old one would do just fine with those activities.

I'm glad VMware has finally come around. I look forward very much to getting Fusion on M1.
Or you could have run Parallels since the beginning of 2021 on you M1 Mac.
 
I want an M1 badly, but I can't really switch until I can virtualize windows. That is a huge thing for me. Maybe that will force me to wait until a M2 or M2X and get the benefit of 2nd gen apple silicon & avoid first adopter woes, but id like it now lol.
And you can do this now and have been able to for months. What’s the holdup?
 
VMWare Horizon works well on M1s right? I have to use Horizon for my WFH job and my current 2013 iMac is barely hanging in there ... don't want to have to jump into Windows for my home PC for this.
 
Nope, it is very useful. Developers often need to virtualise Linux as that is where our code is going and it can be via Docker, VM's or a VM then running Docker. Windows doesn't do anything you couldn't replace by just buying a Xbox.
You just said docker, who uses a full VM for DevOps? Use containers.
 
This will make it a real dilemma when the M2/M1X 16"MBP comes out. I use a Windows VM for a select few tasks based on some legacy software and I also MS Project a few times per year. It is nothing critical, but it beats schlepping across the house to fire up my old Windows laptop.

To my knowledge there are no viable Mac alternative to Project. Smartsheet is great - but I don't want to pay monthly for something that I use 5-6 times a year at most and, well, subscribing/canceling is a pain.

I get that my use case is pretty rare though.
Use Remote Desktop to a datacenter with windows server instead.
 
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I want an M1 badly, but I can't really switch until I can virtualize windows. That is a huge thing for me. Maybe that will force me to wait until a M2 or M2X and get the benefit of 2nd gen apple silicon & avoid first adopter woes, but id like it now lol.
I understand but Parallels runs Windows 10 ARM great!
 
It's looking more and more likely that I've purchased my last (personal) Mac, unfortunately. I could live without x86 backwards compatibility (although I'd lose access to some beloved old games); but too much of my wife's sewing software is Windows only. It works just fine on our existing 2017 iMac, but once that dies I'll have to come up with an x86-based replacement.

I won't personally be moving my primary OS to Windows... Linux Mint is certainly ready for prime-time. I'll probably try to get my wife to try it as well, but she may just say "screw it, just put me on Windows".
Expectations: [insert Linux distro] is certainly ready for prime-time.

Reality: OGM this sucks so hard! I can’t believe Linux experience is that bad.
 
It's odd that VMWare is leaving money on the table when it comes to x86 emulation on Apple Silicon, yeah? They are apparently content to let Parallels have all that money since v17 can run x86 on M1. I guess the market must not be big enough ($$$) for their troubles?
 
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Been running Windows 10 and recently upgraded to Windows 11 on M1 Mini for months using Parallels. They are way behind the game.
 
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Expectations: [insert Linux distro] is certainly ready for prime-time.

Reality: OGM this sucks so hard! I can’t believe Linux experience is that bad.
Speaking as someone whose job requires extensive work in Linux (and has also done the “desktop Linux” thing a fair bit as well), I have to respectfully disagree with you.

i will say it can be more work to get everything exactly as you want it, though.
 
Way to sell your selves there VMWare.

All VMWARE has to say is “we will not be supporting Windows Arm at this time on M1 Macs and depending on MS official releases”

Why should I get VMWare and not stick with Parallels?

I sometimes actually get competing products and software so I can be covered with features one has over the other, but VMWare looks so limited, its hard to see it as even a back up alternative in case my main software fails in some way.
 
It's odd that VMWare is leaving money on the table when it comes to x86 emulation on Apple Silicon, yeah? They are apparently content to let Parallels have all that money since v17 can run x86 on M1. I guess the market must not be big enough ($$$) for their troubles?
v17 can _not_ run x86 operating systems.
FWIW, our multi-billion dollar bread and butter comes from vSphere and our other Enterprise products, not out little 'ol Fusion and Workstation desktop apps ;)

These products are _not_ revenue-drivers for us. Sure they make bank, but it's more about community and ecosystem than money.

In their best light, the desktop products help us build vSphere and our other big solutions. Literally, every code checkin that goes to ESXi has to pass the test of successfully running in a VM on Workstation. Changes we do to Workstation often are proof-of-concept for things that later end up in ESXi, since all 3 (Fusion, Workstation, ESXi) share basically the same hypervisor code.

The competitor... well they don't have another business like we do. They're focused on subscription revenue returns and that's fine and dandy.

We on the other hand get to take the best parts of the enterprise hypervisor and make it available to everyday users, so our motivations and goals are bit different.
 
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It's odd that VMWare is leaving money on the table when it comes to x86 emulation on Apple Silicon, yeah? They are apparently content to let Parallels have all that money since v17 can run x86 on M1. I guess the market must not be big enough ($$$) for their troubles?
Where did you read v17 can do this? Only qemu can do this AFAIK.
 
Where’s the old Connectix programmers? :rolleyes:
LOL!

Microsoft acquired Connectix back in 2003. Ostensibly, Connectix's VirtualPC became what Microsoft now calls Hyper-V.

Albeit, despite having had decades of virtualization experience, the most interesting story I have about Hyper-V is that running Ubuntu in a Hyper-V VM was approximately 4X faster than the Windows Subsystem for Linux when I last ran benchmarks. Albeit, WSL is still better than Cygwin DLL hells, but the entire OS just feels as if it is a steaming pile of bitrot foisted on gamers and those who never learned to compile code from source.

As for me, I long since migrated away from VMWare in personal and professional use preferring FreeBSD's bhyve (and rarely: the macOS port xhyve) and to a lesser extent OpenBSD's vmm. It is with much admonition that I have observed many of my contemporaries gravitate instead towards Docker, and AWS (be it KVM or its previous Xen iteration) rather than run bare metal hardware in their own offices or rented rack space in datacenters for significantly less operating cost. Hardware is really inexpensive now! Don't get lured into recurring subscription cost SAAS fallacies!

Everyone I have known at VMWare, long since left and that they were this slow on the uptake behind Parallels for Apple Silicon/M1 adoption, I read as a sign that they've slipped behind even further and have been coasting on their laurels that have long since been supplanted by libre/free open source software alternatives.

The last time I bothered with much in the way of running a hypervisor on a Mac was with a maxed out 2014 rMBP with its at the time, decent quad cores and 16GB of RAM. It was still a far cry from the hundreds of gigs of RAM in server blades I had access to, but for unusual local test cases was still sort of useful, sometimes, albeit really rarely in practice.

Last year, I sold a laptop which could be kitted up with 64GB of RAM and dual MXM GPUs running in SLI and had a pretty significant amount of CPU cores too, dual power supplies were even an option! It was veritably, about as close to a luggable server as I have ever owned.

Turns out: I never want to lug a server. I want them racked in a datacenter with faster uplinks than I can ever find when I have a portable device.

Thin and light seems to be where it is at for portable devices, and for everything else there's VNC or RDP tunneled over a VPN to beefier hardware in a datacenter (as the laptop sticker jokes: "My other computer is a datacenter.").

I think the most dumbfounding thing I read was that VMWare doesn't officially support ESXi on the current generation of Mac Pros. At least those can be kitted up with 1.5TB of RAM (still a far cry from the 24+TB of RAM my contemporaries are running in servers these days) and can, in theory, run macOS without violating Apple's EULA. Albeit, I last administered such deployments circa 2015 when I was a Senior System Administrator for Sauce Labs. At the time, the biggest pain was that the vintage Mac Pros we were using, could not be rack mounted. The present 2019 revision of Mac Pros do have a rack mount kit, but if VMWare hasn't even been offering ESXi on those? What a waste. A complete failure to grasp their dwindling user base.

Everyone else, moved onto other hypervisors, long ago.
 
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