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VMWare Fusion Now Allows Virtualization of Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard [Updated]
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CNet is also reporting this was "accidental" and that the check will be added back.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_...n-snow-leopard-client-virtualization-updated/
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You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
Just don't upgrade!
That was a great line by Ian Richardson in a great mini series (House of Cards).
I doubt it. The feature was never advertised in the first place. Its very possible that they merely overhauled the verification checking system and they neglected the code to enforce the check on the system as it always has been (its possible that one hand didn’t think about another hand here) and they didn’t think of limiting the client OS versions to products that are valid for virtualizing.
I am willing to bet that someone who was heading the Fusion team saw what was going on and realized that the OS check was not working the way they wanted to. Apple could have said something to VMWare, but I doubt that it went farther than “say that new update that you posted is probably not validating operating systems properly. Maybe Apple was getting people expecting support since they felt that VMWare supported it officially. Apple wanted to make it clear that, no, there are limits.
Their blog post doesn’t seem to be all that confident that it will work. Don’t be surprised if it doesn’t.
I tried that with ESXI - I seem to recall that the software console on Windows wouldnt run that way. I may have done something wrong, but I doubt that it will work
Why is this even a legal issue at all?
If you own the copy of the operating system, and it is licensed to run on that hardware, what difference does it make legally if it's running on the bare metal or in a VM? Does Apple really have any grounds to harass VMWare about it?
And on top of that, shouldn't this issue only affect the end-user? Why does VMWare need to enforce Apple's Copyright? They ship no actual Apple code.
I'm just trying to get my head around why virtualizing Snow Leopard on Lion is a problem.
If you own the copy of the operating system, and it is licensed to run on that hardware, what difference does it make legally if it's running on the bare metal or in a VM? Does Apple really have any grounds to harass VMWare about it?
And on top of that, shouldn't this issue only affect the end-user? Why does VMWare need to enforce Apple's Copyright? They ship no actual Apple code.
I'm just trying to get my head around why virtualizing Snow Leopard on Lion is a problem.
Box vs Fusion
If people are going to compare Fusion with VMBox and put the knock the former , let it be said that it requires a lot less technical know-how to use Fusion. If nothing else, Fusion comes particularly well-equipped with Wizards, video tutorials and documentation. Some of the contributors to this site have the tech know-how to get Box up and running, but plenty dont. And those who are more advanced have no business in the world looking down their noses at those who arent. Thats one of the crummiest forms of snobbery one can imagine.
If people are going to compare Fusion with VMBox and put the knock the former , let it be said that it requires a lot less technical know-how to use Fusion. If nothing else, Fusion comes particularly well-equipped with Wizards, video tutorials and documentation. Some of the contributors to this site have the tech know-how to get Box up and running, but plenty dont. And those who are more advanced have no business in the world looking down their noses at those who arent. Thats one of the crummiest forms of snobbery one can imagine.
That about sums it up. Nowhere is there a law that says a contract (like an EULA) has to make sense 100% of the time. It pretty much has to be in compliance with commerce and contract law and not be outright illegal. Apple doesnt have to provide any virtualization support at all period.
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The ability to virtualize an OS is not some right that Apple has no degree of control. If you install the OS you have to abide by Apples rules surrounding them. And that means that unless you have a Server version or Lion Client that means that you cannot create a VM out of an install. It doesnt matter if its technically possible. Apple doesnt want to do it and its their right under copyright to restrict it under law. VMs in Apple world are allowed when they want it to.
I posted this query in the Applications section of the forums but I thought I'd post it here to see if anyone can help:
I Just installed Snow Leopard on VMWare 4.1 in Lion on a 2008 Mac Pro.
I have two problems.
1 The sound doesn't work and there's no sound output option in the system preferences on the VM. Even when I add a device in the VM settings and chose sound card.
2 The resolution is stuck at 1024 x 768 and that's the only option I have in system preferences on the VM. Could it be something to do with the fact that my GPU is a flashed ATI 4870 (reference design)?
Can anybody help?
Many thanks
I Just installed Snow Leopard on VMWare 4.1 in Lion on a 2008 Mac Pro.
I have two problems.
1 The sound doesn't work and there's no sound output option in the system preferences on the VM. Even when I add a device in the VM settings and chose sound card.
2 The resolution is stuck at 1024 x 768 and that's the only option I have in system preferences on the VM. Could it be something to do with the fact that my GPU is a flashed ATI 4870 (reference design)?
Can anybody help?
Many thanks
I have the same problem with sound not working in a Snow Leopard VM. I have yet to find a fix. As for your graphics issue... you installed VMware Tools, right?
Got the sound working after I found this post on the VMWare forums and followed the links & Intructions:
http://communities.vmware.com/message/1867693
Good luck!
http://communities.vmware.com/message/1867693
Good luck!
It's not really copyright law (you already have the copy legally when you purchased it and installing is part of the normal usage). It's the EULA agreement that controls potentially every aspect of your behavior from afar. They can tell you that you agree to only use the software on Sundays from 2-4PM and if you don't agree, you can't use the software since they will not license its use to you otherwise. They can make the EULA 2 million pages long if they wish. You are expected to read every single word of it. Almost no one does? Too bad. Don't like the system? Good luck changing it. Most of the modern world has been corrupted by the corporations and ultra-rich that really pull the strings of government. The idea that representatives actually "represent" your interests as constituents is utterly LAUGHABLE and most people know it all too well. But they vote one guy out only to get the next guy in who serves the same basic people. There is no real change what-so-ever. The only thing that changes is who gets the bribe money. Make too many waves in government and you suddenly find yourself in the middle of a scandal or worse yet, a car accident. Companies making BILLIONS don't take lightly to someone trying to cut them off. Ask the Mexican government. It's a little more visible down there than the shadow government problem we have here.
Well, looks like I have the answer to my question about whether a non-server SL VM would run after the update:
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2009990
Short answer: No.
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2009990
Short answer: No.
Installing 10.6.3 in VMware Fusion 4.1.0 not working
Hi,
I am running Lion on my Mac. As a software developer, I need to run 10.6 for testing. I had kept a copy of Fusion 4.1.0 just for this situation.
But now, when I try to install SL from a 10.6.3 dmg with Fusion 4.1.0, the install process fails:
In Fusion, everything looks fine - I am asked to verify that I have a license, and eventually VMware starts my "10.6 64 bit" VM up and loads the OS from the installer image. But then, after about a minute showing the gray screen with the Mac and the spinner below it, it shows a "(\)" symbol instead of the Mac, with the spinner still animated below it. And that's it. Nothing else happens.
Does anyone have an idea why this wouldn't work? It's supposed to work with 4.1.0, as many here have confirmed. Is 10.6.3 too old, perhaps?
Hi,
I am running Lion on my Mac. As a software developer, I need to run 10.6 for testing. I had kept a copy of Fusion 4.1.0 just for this situation.
But now, when I try to install SL from a 10.6.3 dmg with Fusion 4.1.0, the install process fails:
In Fusion, everything looks fine - I am asked to verify that I have a license, and eventually VMware starts my "10.6 64 bit" VM up and loads the OS from the installer image. But then, after about a minute showing the gray screen with the Mac and the spinner below it, it shows a "(\)" symbol instead of the Mac, with the spinner still animated below it. And that's it. Nothing else happens.
Does anyone have an idea why this wouldn't work? It's supposed to work with 4.1.0, as many here have confirmed. Is 10.6.3 too old, perhaps?
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Can't install them anymore. Best thing is to buy SL Server from Apple for $20 and install it.
So long as you do not update v4.10 it should install Snow Leopard client.
However, it is really moot now that the Apple Store has started reselling Snow Leopard Server for a 95% reduction in price, $19.99 + sales tax & shipping: 1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753) - Apple Part Number: MC588Z/A (telephone orders only).
Here is Adobe Creative Suite 2 (CS2) Photoshop running in Snow Leopard Server in Parallels 8, now available for 3 more days at a 40% discount: March 2013 10 App MacUpdate
If you MUST virtualize Snow Leopard client for your programming needs, follow these instructions to install it into Parallels (and I have been told that it will similarly work in VMWare Fusion, too).
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