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Won't work - XP mode requires a system with hardware-assisted virtualization. ("VT-x" on Intel)

Not anymore. MS lightened up the requirements for XP Mode a few months after 7 came out. I've seen it running on old Pentium 4's without any problems. Well, no problems besides being a little slow.

So anyone should, in theory, be able to run it inside of a virtual machine these day.
 
Funnily enough, it was VMware that forced a software vendor (Veeam) that offered an awesome backup product for protecting virtual machines to NOT support VMware's own free ESXi server product...

What you think is irrelevant to the EULA you agreed to. You will be in breach. It's not like Apple is going to sue you or anything over it, so all that's left is your conscience to deal with.
 
Would be interesting to see if I could run OSX on VMWare Workstation in the Wintel world...maybe there will be a hack to take a Fusion VM and bring it into VMWare Workstation 7.x or 8.x on Windows.
 
I did indeed, thanks for pointing that out though!

Still leaves us with how to interpret how to view the Apple branded computer thing (running a vm on a Mac is running it on an Apple branded computer vs it is running in a vm which isn't an Apple branded computer).

Given that both Parallels and VMware both removed this back in the Leopard and Snow Leopard (no way to get it to work in Tiger) on Apple’s request, makes me think that Apple believes that a VM is a different hardware derivative than your Mac itself. That’s why they make a exception in the server versions which explicitly mention Virtualization. Since Apple does not talk about it in the consumer versions (prior to Lion), it isn’t allowed.

Right now, I doubt that they care - the only way that you can do this is with retail copies (the grey system discs will not work) and those are no longer sold in most retail channels. You certainly won’t be able to run them on Windows VM boxes. And the OS virtuaization of OSX isn’t targeted toward toward the average user anyway. They won’t support it, but VMware is doing due diligence - they require that the consumer verify their license rights. Dell doesn’t get sued when consumers pirate windows on their hardware, neither should VMware. Of course they have to do this on the Windows side (that would be more overt)


Would be interesting to see if I could run OSX on VMWare Workstation in the Wintel world...maybe there will be a hack to take a Fusion VM and bring it into VMWare Workstation 7.x or 8.x on Windows.

You cannot do that. VMware will never support this since this is already forbidden on both Client and server thanks to the verbiage of Apple Branded hardware. It may be technically possible, but VMware isn’t going to make it easy - there is no support for anything Apple unlike fusion - they are different products.
 
An Apple representative confirms that the license for both 10.5 and 10.6 allows for virtualisation.

Apple asked VMware to block OS X Client.

I'm having trouble reconciling these two statements... other than to conclude that Appple has since changed their minds about what they tell devs they shouldn't do even though their software license allows it to be done in the first place.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

-K
 
Hmmm...having trouble

I'm trying to install Snow Leopard and it keeps on crashing at about the 28 minutes left point. Any suggestions? Is the 64-bit install ok? How many cores. How much disk? Thanks in advance!
 
I'm having trouble reconciling these two statements... other than to conclude that Appple has since changed their minds about what they tell devs they shouldn't do even though their software license allows it to be done in the first place.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

-K

The first statement misses the important language of the Server product - a different SKU item. OSX server can be virtualized legally on a Mac. The Client versions of Leopard and Snow Leopard cannot be legally virtualized legally at all. Because of this restriction, Apple asked VMware and Parallels to limit the Mac OS virtualization to the legal server products and to non Apple OS’s to protect their products.
 
AppleWorks

This app (PPC) runs fine on my Leopard Mac Pro (early 2008) about 99.94% of the time. I have not seen any reason to install Snow Leopard OR Lion. This VMWare Fusion makes no difference to what I have been running on my machine.

If anyone can tell me why I should upgrade, I'll be glad to spend the time reading your suggestions.
 
Not Working

Can anybody give me a hand with this, I have Lion working fine but SL won't install. Basically the 10.6 dmg is selected it initially picks it up brings up the apple logo and then after a minute shows the circle with a line through it as if the media is not correct. I have tried two different 10.6 dmg's. Also tried creating an iso and restoring back to dmg still nothing works. If I select to boot with LION EFI it boots up no problem. Please help
 
You cannot do that. VMware will never support this since this is already forbidden on both Client and server thanks to the verbiage of Apple Branded hardware. It may be technically possible, but VMware isn’t going to make it easy - there is no support for anything Apple unlike fusion - they are different products.

No...Fusion is a product of VMWare. Just like VMWare Workstation.

Moreover, according to the VMWare website, the VMs themselves are interchangeable between VMWare Fusion and VMWare Workstation.

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mi...nguage=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1002320

I am going to try it over the next few weeks but sounds pretty nice!
 
The point in this thread (you've read it, right?) is that no one can find where this is explicitly true.

Please show us.

-K

It was never true before. Nothing in the license has changed. Apple is the authority on their source and they say that you can only virtualize OSX Leopard Server, OSX Snow Leopard server and Lion Client and server. That’s it. Just because VM ware makes it technically possible doesn’t mean anything. They just say check the license. The license doesn’t grant you virtualization rights of old client OS’s. You do know why Apple explicitly mentions it in the server EULA’s right? So that you can legally do it!

And yes I have read this entire thread. Unless Apple explicitly allows for something, don’t imply that you have said right.


No...Fusion is a product of VMWare. Just like VMWare Workstation.

I know that. They are different products from the same company.

Moreover, according to the VMWare website, the VMs themselves are interchangeable between VMWare Fusion and VMWare Workstation.
Technically yes. That doesn’t mean that you can run any OS on any platform. Especially with different software products. VMware is not going to get themselves involved with what amounts to explicit hackintoshing. The Windows product isn’t going to support Mac Images. It will not work.
 
This is great news. Now I can upgrade to 10.7 and still run Xcode 3.2.6 :)

Uh... Xcode 3.2.6 works fine on 10.7 as long as you had it installed on 10.6 and simply upgraded to Lion.

I worked with it for a good 2 months after updating to Lion before I felt the need to grab Xcode 4.2.
 
Anybody install this update yet and see if it fixes the bloating Dock process issue? Many folks under VMWare Fusion 4.0.2 on Lion are finding their Dock process bloat to 400+ MB with many many file descriptors being left open if using the shared folders option.

VMWare has a work-around for it described in their forum, but was wondering if they fixed the issue entirely.

The issue is related to monitoring the host folders for changes and make them appear in the guest OS (Windows only?) without having to refresh the window.

Anyway, the work-around has been getting me by without slowing my wife's iMac to a halt. I can remove the work-around once they fix this.
 
Uh... Xcode 3.2.6 works fine on 10.7 as long as you had it installed on 10.6 and simply upgraded to Lion.

I worked with it for a good 2 months after updating to Lion before I felt the need to grab Xcode 4.2.

Yep aware of that, just want to run it in a more "supported" environment.
 
They just say check the license.
We did, and there's nothing there to explicitly exclude virtualization. Are we each supposed to wonder why they didn't specifically mention virtualization and then call Apple, Inc. to clarify?
The license doesn’t grant you virtualization rights of old client OS’s...Unless Apple explicitly allows for something, don’t imply that you have said right.
That, sir, is your opinion. I (and others here) think different. If you reread the license, it's chock full of both things you may do and things you may not do. In that setting, simply not listing a use is insufficient to exclude; they took the time to exclude a litany of other uses, but we're supposed to just figure they meant virtualization, too? Apple legal accidentally left that out?? That server licensees got specific language simply assuages the server market, but doesn't change the Client EULA. I'll sleep well at night, and that's coming from a guy who pays for all software, however miniscule, however donorware.

In any event, good debate here. That's part of what these boards are for! For my own part, I'm completely satisfied that the SL Client EULA, and most certainly the Family Pack, does not disallow virtualization, and I'm pleased that VMWare agrees.

-K
 
Technically yes. That doesn’t mean that you can run any OS on any platform. Especially with different software products. VMware is not going to get themselves involved with what amounts to explicit hackintoshing. The Windows product isn’t going to support Mac Images. It will not work.

What are you talking about hackintoshing?! Virtual Machines are Virtual Machines...they're INTENDED to run various "machines" (read: Operating Systems) on your host that supports VMWare Workstation. Period. And when did I say ANY OS would run inside a VM?! I never did. Jeeeeeez....

I have been using VMWare products since 2001...please don't tell us that VMWare is somehow afraid of Apple or providing the world with tools to hackintosh.

Apple finally approved the licensing (it was never a technical issue) to allow OSX version _____ to run on Fusion. Period. Apple likely saw the virtualization technology as 1)gee whiz, we're the only OS manufacturer on the planet that doesn't do VMWare and 2)ya know, if more people get exposed to OSX, even if it's a vm, that's good for Apple...will lead to more sales and 3)all the Mac fans out there have been screaming for virtualization for a decade now...how about we do it.

I don't think you have any experience with VMWare...your broad opinions about VMWare and Apple along with your statement proclaiming VMWare Workstation will not run Fusion images completely contradicts the VMWare Support website link I posted.
 
We did, and there's nothing there to explicitly exclude virtualization. Are we each supposed to wonder why they didn't specifically mention virtualization and then call Apple, Inc. to clarify?

There is nothing that says that it is allowed either. Rule of thumb is that anything not specifically spelled out should be treated very carefully. Apple has already said that you are only allowed to virtualize Lion and the server products. Those licenses allow for virtualization. That should tell you lots.

Simply put, unless you have clear permission, I wouldn’t do it. Virtualizing products without clear permission is a very shaky thing to do period. Why? There is a little clause in the contract that says that all rights are reserved unless explicitly stated. Unless Apple says yes, I wouldn’t assume anything...

Here is the closest answer that I can give:

An Apple representative told us that Apple's end-user license agreements "permit properly licensed copies of Mac OS X Lion, Snow Leopard Server and Leopard Server to be virtualized on Apple-branded hardware only."

Source: Macworld

It may not be explicitly spelled out in the SLA, but it doesn’t have to. Apple gets to make the call and I think they just did with that statement to Macworld.

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Apple finally approved the licensing (it was never a technical issue) to allow OSX version _____ to run on Fusion. Period.

Where did they do that? I quote Macworld quoting Apple:

An Apple representative told us that Apple's end-user license agreements "permit properly licensed copies of Mac OS X Lion, Snow Leopard Server and Leopard Server to be virtualized on Apple-branded hardware only."

I would say that you are wrong. You can only use VMware Fusion to run Apple approved OS’s on Apple Hardware period. Anything else would be a flagrant violation assuming that it is possible, and I will bet that it won’t even boot.
 
Can not install snow leopard in Fusion 4.1

I updated to Fusion 4.1 and I can select to install Mac OS X 10.6, however I receive an error that states "Mac OS X can't be install on this computer".

I have attached a screen shot showing the error.

Has anyone else encountered this?
 

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I updated to Fusion 4.1 and I can select to install Mac OS X 10.6, however I receive an error that states "Mac OS X can't be install on this computer".

I have attached a screen shot showing the error.

Has anyone else encountered this?

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/mi...ype=kc&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&externalId=1032864

This issue occurs when you use the Mac OS Install DVD that is shipped with a Mac to install the operating system in a virtual machine. Mac OS Install discs that ship with computers can only be used with the physical hardware that the disc comes with. A virtual machine uses virtual hardware and not the hardware expected by the disc.
 
Over what ? VMware are not the ones breaking the licensing by offering this. It's the user who installs the OS that does.

Yeah and file sharing services/networks have nothing to fear since they aren't the ones offering up copyrighted data, but the users on them.... :rolleyes:

IMO, big business largely controls both the laws and the interpretation of the laws anymore (some 'democracy' we have these days) and thus the stance of the courts seems to have turned into more or less if you know it's going on and do nothing about it, you're just as guilty as if you did it yourself or encouraged it for your own profit. Thus, if VMWare already demonstrated they could easily detect OS versions and only allow those versions authorized by Apple to run under virtualization and NOW purposely have removed those checks...well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they are purposely skirting the issue to increase their sales by making it easier for people to run older (i.e. PPC capable) versions of the OS. That's fine and dandy for the user, but I kind of doubt Apple will see it that way or they would have already given the OK for virtualization of older versions of the operating system. Therefore, I wouldn't be shocked if Apple orders a cease and desist.
 
I say booooooo

Worth quoting the full blog post here I think

VMware Fusion 4.1 was released late last week and includes many great improvements. One change was the introduction of a new license verification step for users to verify they are in compliance with the OS licensing terms.

When the license verification step was added in VMware Fusion 4.1 the server edition check was omitted. We are preparing an update.

Running Mac OS X client in a virtual machine continues to require Lion (purchased from the Mac App Store or a USB thumb drive.) Users should always ensure they remain in compliance with any applicable software license agreements.


Behind the scenes intervention by Apple?
 
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