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I've used vmware since the first version. It was fast for awhile, but the last couple versions had been horribly slow for me (like you said - 5 minutes to boot, then nearly unusable).

Installing today's update makes it run very fast again. Boots xp in around a minute (and that's with me having a lot of junk that runs at start-up). Very useable once it comes up.

I have to agree with you. Fusion took some steps back in the last few releases. I'm pleasantly surprise with this update. It's seems to load and react faster than previous versions.

I used to use Parallels as well. I stop using it merely because my machine would occasionally lock up with their software.
 
That's funny, because for both my girlfriend and I it takes 5 minutes to boot, and then it runs so slowly it is basically unusable.

I'm starting to think that anyone who says it's fast is just a shill for VMware.

:confused: Guess i'm a shill too. It isn't our fault we have SSDs in raid and lean and tuned OS X configurations. If I launch my boot camp partition in a seperate space, full screened, people will think i'm running it native :p

Anyway this is certianly interesting. I was gearing up to use Office 2008/2011 yet again but if the performance gains are this good I might just uninstall office on the mac side completely and run office 2007/2010 in unity.....
 
Pros: Doesn't KP my Hackie like Parallels does. Definite performance boost.
Cons: Games may run better, but they still don't run well enough for me to stop dual booting.
 
Though gaming performance is still fairly terrible, there's a noticeable overall performance improvement.

Also, it lets you configure it to stop asking for your admin password every time you start from the Boot Camp partition, which is very convenient.
 
That's funny, because for both my girlfriend and I it takes 5 minutes to boot, and then it runs so slowly it is basically unusable.

I'm starting to think that anyone who says it's fast is just a shill for VMware.

You NEED to install the Fusion drivers. They reduce CPU usage.
 
:confused: Guess i'm a shill too. It isn't our fault we have SSDs in raid and lean and tuned OS X configurations. If I launch my boot camp partition in a seperate space, full screened, people will think i'm running it native :p

Anyway this is certianly interesting. I was gearing up to use Office 2008/2011 yet again but if the performance gains are this good I might just uninstall office on the mac side completely and run office 2007/2010 in unity.....

How can I have a "lean and tuned" OS X?

Am downloading update now...
 
Hmm, might've been; my receipt doesn't say one way or the other (just the total price of $39.99).

I believe $40 was the price for pre-ordering Fusion 1, after which the price went up to $80. I don't believe prices have ever increased.
 
I've been using Fusion + WinXP for a while now (.NET Developer) and the experience is really good. I have a early 2010 Macbook PRO 2.26 and 4GB.

I decided to try Parallels since everybody says it's much better. The experience wasn't as good. I gave 1.5GB to Win7 and Parallels takes this amount even if I'm not using. I might be wrong, but Fusion doesn't do that... it takes what it needs and when it needs.

So as soon as I open Parallels, I lose 1.5GB from my main RAM and it slowed down my Mac.

Considering I'm in the middle of a big project and I running out of time I gave up on that. I need to test more... but I don't know... Upgrading my Fusion and let's see what I get.
 
I've been using Fusion + WinXP for a while now (.NET Developer) and the experience is really good. I have a early 2010 Macbook PRO 2.26 and 4GB.

I decided to try Parallels since everybody says it's much better. The experience wasn't as good. I gave 1.5GB to Win7 and Parallels takes this amount even if I'm not using. I might be wrong, but Fusion doesn't do that... it takes what it needs and when it needs.

So as soon as I open Parallels, I lose 1.5GB from my main RAM and it slowed down my Mac.

Considering I'm in the middle of a big project and I running out of time I gave up on that. I need to test more... but I don't know... Upgrading my Fusion and let's see what I get.

Let us know how it goes.

I've used Parallels 5 and its alright - I'm annoyed at USB handling when upgrading firmware on my BB it gets dropped. If Fusion can resolve this - even if assigned to the VM then I'm set on Fusion. I'll have to purchase tomorrow.

Got a feeling we're hear Parallels 5 gets a slight update shortly.
 
I just upgraded and the update is noticeable. The first thing I notice is the two finger scrolling is as smooth as Mac apps now which is awesome. I had a 60,000 row Excel (Windows version) open and scrolling was smooth as silk.

With regards to speed it's always been very good. It is noticeably faster now resuming. I do think 4 gig of ram is the minimum. It's almost magically good with 8 gig though. :D

Speed is also affected by how much resources you have dedicated. For example mine ran awesome (as good as a windows native box) for Microsoft products but when I installed a Windows version of Quickbooks Pro 10.0 it took at least a minute to open my company file. I doubled the RAM I dedicated to the VM and it loads within seconds now.

Mike
 
I just upgraded and the update is noticeable. The first thing I notice is the two finger scrolling is as smooth as Mac apps now which is awesome. I had a 60,000 row Excel (Windows version) open and scrolling was smooth as silk.

With regards to speed it's always been very good. It is noticeably faster now resuming. I do think 4 gig of ram is the minimum. It's almost magically good with 8 gig though. :D

Speed is also affected by how much resources you have dedicated. For example mine ran awesome (as good as a windows native box) for Microsoft products but when I installed a Windows version of Quickbooks Pro 10.0 it took at least a minute to open my company file. I doubled the RAM I dedicated to the VM and it loads within seconds now.

Mike

Two finger scrolling? are you saying that scrolling sideways works or even that the magic mouse functions work in a VM? I have windows 7 and the scrolling hasnt changed for me?
 
It's great. Runs much, much better with Windows7 than 3.0. Now when I resume a virtual machine, it's responsive immediately rather than after 10 minutes. And blazing fast overall, too. Most of that is because Fusion now uses buffered I/O, so the VM disk performance is improved greatly.

Went back to 1 CPU core and 1.5GB of RAM (out of 4GB total), that works best. 2GB made OS X swap like crazy, and then everything grinded to a halt.
 
Under 3.0.1, I couldn't use "suspend" when running Fusion with XP on my MBP . . . every time it resumed from suspend, VMWare Tools would crash and I'd have to turn off XP and Fusion and then restart the lot again.

Hoping 3.1 has fixed this.
 
My one-hour impression of the update is quite positive -- much faster boot times, suspend/resume times, and general responsiveness. I'll probably do some more Fusion game testing later but Silent Hill 3 ran silky smooth at native resolution when I tried it on my i7 iMac. Much better than before.
 
Just upgraded both my i7 iMac and my 1st-gen Macbook Air. Performance improvements are quite impressive.

WindowsXP runs starts up and runs quite a bit faster.

It also resolved a few issues I had when running Windows 7x64. There is still the annoying graphics quirkiness in Win7x64 when resizing the window but other than that, performance has definitely improved.

The only hiccup is Ubuntu. I'm having issues with upgrading the VMware tools. I will deal with that later as it's late. But it still works as is.

I give this upgrade my total approval. Couldn't find anything wrong (yet). Will keep you posted but I did put it through the ringer. The performance improvement alone is worth the upgrade, especially considering that it's free to current v3.x users.
 
Looks like VMWare has improve it such much, but im using right now parallels 5.0.93 and it's blazing fast and user friendly. Which one is better? :confused:


VMWare is the MUCH better choice when you also want/need to virtualize other operating systems than those from the Microsoft world. The BSD Unixes and 64-Bit Linux flavors run great in VMWare, but Parallels has always sucked here and that was one of the reasons why I switched from Parallels to VMWare.

Also, VMWare has always offered more fine tuning options for their VMs and their products are generally much better supported than those from Parallels. Parallels basically just throws its products over the fence and that's it. They don't communicate well with their customers and if you are waiting for a bugfix, you usually have to wait for the next pay-for-upgrade. Fusion 3 was the -first- pay-for upgrade in that product line, and they've released quite a few updates and upgrades in the meantime.

I've bought both and I've also used other virtualization utilities (Sun/Oracle VirtualBox, Q, VMWare ESXi). I feel most comfortable with VMWare products. VMWare pioneered this technology and their products are very mature, robust, well supported and battle-tested.
 
That's funny, because for both my girlfriend and I it takes 5 minutes to boot, and then it runs so slowly it is basically unusable.

I'm starting to think that anyone who says it's fast is just a shill for VMware.

If you put it that way, then I'm starting to think that your VMWare installation probably is not configured at all, you do not have the VMWare drivers installed in your VM and your Mac probably is completely underpowered to run any virtualization product well.

To get an acceptable user experience with something like Windows Vista or 7 in a VM, you need to assign it at least 2 CPU cores and a bare minimum of 2 GB RAM - and that is not what VMWare defaults to and if you only have a dual core Mac with 1 or 2 GB RAM, that configuration will kill your system's performance.

With Windows XP or Ubuntu Server you would get away with a single core CPU configuration and 512 MB RAM (but of course not for heavy usage).

If you really NEED a virtualization product, then you minimum Mac should have a Quad Core CPU and at least 8 GB RAM.

And why is this? Because to obtain acceptable performance, you need to give your guest OS the very same hardware resources that the guest OS would need on a dedicated physical machine. Just think of it as splitting your computer in half when you launch a virtual machine.

If your host computer has just enough resources to run its own operating system and applications, the performance of the VM cannot be any good. Virtualization makes only sense on powerful host systems - there's a reason why data centers buy those expensive blade servers.

If you have one of the lower end Mac configurations (Dual Core CPU, 1 or 2 GB RAM), then stick with Windows XP or do not use virtualization at all and use Boot Camp instead.
 
Based on the picture I would assume that assigning more virtual cores is something new in VMWare fusion. Just like to point out that Parallels has had this for a while. In fact I have two Win7 parallels machines running right now with 3D graphics and its amazingly fast for virtualization.
Based on what picture? The introduction and the changelog clearly state it is an increase, not a new feature. For about 99% of the people it's a useless feature anyway as you need to have twice the amount of physical cores in your machine. This would mean that only the Mac Pro, quad core iMac and Xserve qualify. All other machines only have 2 physical cores (no the hyperthreading stuff does not count!). The feature was actually added in Fusion 2 iirc so it has been there for quite a while.

Yikes, that's a bit of a price hike! It only cost $40 to buy Fusion 1 (with a free upgrade to 2) in the first place.
No it didn't. Fusion has had the same price since the first edition: $79. They also had quite a lot of periods with discounts. With the very first first release of Fusion 1.0 they had a preorder discount that made the price drop to something like $39. If you order at launchday you had to pay $79 again. They did something similar with the private beta for Fusion 3.0, people who did that got a 25% discount.

No price hike, it was always like that :) And just like always there are quite a lot of discount possibilities if you buy from sites like Amazon.

Really hope this helps me successfully import my parallels VM. Have been trying (with the help of VMWare tech support) for over a week now. Sigh!
Make sure the guest additions (of whatever it's called) are uninstalled and the vm is properly shutdown. This goes for importing any kind of vm format in any kind of virtualisation software.

It's BS. They always throw out crazy numbers.
Then how do you explain all the posts in the 3.1 beta forum telling the speed has increased a lot since Fusion 3.0. Mind you, Fusion 3.0 has had quite a lot of problems in this area. It seems they have addressed this properly in 3.1. People that have had performance problems in 3.0 report that the problems in 3.1 are gone. Other people never experienced performance problems in Fusion 3.0 (I never did). There is quite a noticeable speed increase regarding suspending and resuming vm's.

As another poster mentioned, increasing the RAM on your system will make a world of difference. With RAM so cheap these days, it's a no-brained upgrade.
With virtualisation there two things that are very important: I/O and memory. You'll see performance increases when using things like a lot of RAM and a ssd. You will notice a big difference when you've got a virusscanner installed and upgrade to an ssd. Suddenly the vm becomes usable. In other words, virusscanners are really bad for I/O performance and a main cause for hogging the system. Microsoft Security Essentials is a great virusscanner that is very easy on the vm's resources and I/O. Virusscanners like AVG however, are the exact opposite (ditch it and get something proper).

Two finger scrolling? are you saying that scrolling sideways works or even that the magic mouse functions work in a VM? I have windows 7 and the scrolling hasnt changed for me?
Parallels 5 supports those features, Fusion 3.0 and 3.1 do not. They're looking into it for a new big release of Fusion though. I don't really care for the multitouch functions, the only thing I'd like is horizontal scrolling. Most operating systems I use don't even support a mouse but I also use Windows and Ubuntu where it comes in handy.

I actually quite like 3.1 but I wish we had all this with 3.0 in the first place. They now need to work on the features to get it on par with Parallels. Parallels has a big advantage in the 3D gaming area, OpenGL in Linux (I'd like to have basic desktop effects in Ubuntu) and with their unity implementation (less buggy).

To get an acceptable user experience with something like Windows Vista or 7 in a VM, you need to assign it at least 2 CPU cores and a bare minimum of 2 GB RAM - and that is not what VMWare defaults to and if you only have a dual core Mac with 1 or 2 GB RAM, that configuration will kill your system's performance.
That's absolutely not true at all. Every Intel Mac is able to run virtualisation decently. My MacBook with 2 GB of ram from 2006 will run Windows without a problem. Running it with less than 2 GB of ram is suicide, things can grind to a halt. In the end it really depends on what you're running in the vm. Visual Studio on such a machine is not recommended and it is obvious why if you take a look at the system requirements.

If you really NEED a virtualization product, then you minimum Mac should have a Quad Core CPU and at least 8 GB RAM.
If you really need virtualisation you need some knowledge which is something you seem to lack. There is absolutely no need for a quad core or for 8 GB of ram. In most cases appointing more than 2 GB of ram will cause performance issues with the vm. A lot of people experienced that using 2 GB for Win7 makes the vm a lot faster than using 4 GB even if they have 8 GB of ram in their Mac. What hardware you need really depends on your virtualisation needs. If you want to run Windows for a couple of simple Windows software that do not run on your Mac and that don't have OS X alternatives it's quite pointless in having a quad core with 8 GB of ram. You'll never ever use it. I have a Mac mini early 2009 with a 2 GHz Core 2 Duo cpu and I never saw that machine go beyond the 120% cpu usage. That means I have 80% left which is quite a lot. I was running 2 vm's (Windows XP and Ubuntu) at the same time.

And why is this? Because to obtain acceptable performance, you need to give your guest OS the very same hardware resources that the guest OS would need on a dedicated physical machine. Just think of it as splitting your computer in half when you launch a virtual machine.
No you don't. You need to give the guest vm whatever it needs. For most people this is not much.

If your host computer has just enough resources to run its own operating system and applications, the performance of the VM cannot be any good. Virtualization makes only sense on powerful host systems - there's a reason why data centers buy those expensive blade servers.
While it's true that when your machine is running on its toes it's not suited for virtualisation, it is not true that this is the very same reason why data centres buy expensive blade servers. In some data centres you can't use those blade servers because they need too much power. It can exceed the power you can get for 1 rack. In cases like that it's a better idea to use several servers instead of a blade. Same goes for things like not wanting a single point of failure.

If you have one of the lower end Mac configurations (Dual Core CPU, 1 or 2 GB RAM), then stick with Windows XP or do not use virtualization at all and use Boot Camp instead.
As I told earlier most people use these systems and are able to use virtualisation without any problems. Windows XP and 7 will run fine. Again this all depends on what you want to run in the vm. If you need visual studio, you'll need more cpu power and more memory and better I/O performance.

Apart from this there is a known problem with Fusion 3.0 and performance degradation of the vm after some time. For some people this happens after 5 minutes, for others it can take 30 to 60 or even more minutes. This is something 3.1 should fix. When you've got performance issues check out things like virusscanners and system resources in both the vm and OS X. The problem might be caused by something else such as a virusscanner (AVG is known for this).
 
Parallels 5 supports those features, Fusion 3.0 and 3.1 do not. They're looking into it for a new big release of Fusion though. I don't really care for the multitouch functions, the only thing I'd like is horizontal scrolling. Most operating systems I use don't even support a mouse but I also use Windows and Ubuntu where it comes in handy.

Totally agree with you, all I would like is Horizontal scrolling for the excel sheets I work with, going to the bottom of the screen is a pain :)
 
Meh, I'll stick to VirtualBox. It's free, it runs any guest OS I've ever thrown at it, it has 3D support, and it works just fine.
 
VMWare is the MUCH better choice when you also want/need to virtualize other operating systems than those from the Microsoft world. The BSD Unixes and 64-Bit Linux flavors run great in VMWare, but Parallels has always sucked here and that was one of the reasons why I switched from Parallels to VMWare.

Also, VMWare has always offered more fine tuning options for their VMs and their products are generally much better supported than those from Parallels. Parallels basically just throws its products over the fence and that's it. They don't communicate well with their customers and if you are waiting for a bugfix, you usually have to wait for the next pay-for-upgrade. Fusion 3 was the -first- pay-for upgrade in that product line, and they've released quite a few updates and upgrades in the meantime.

I've bought both and I've also used other virtualization utilities (Sun/Oracle VirtualBox, Q, VMWare ESXi). I feel most comfortable with VMWare products. VMWare pioneered this technology and their products are very mature, robust, well supported and battle-tested.

vmware does have the enterprise market side of things to- we use thousands of them at work, so they are very good at getting it done right clearly.

personally, i use parallels 5 to run my 24/7 OSX Server 10.6 VM, my 2008, 2003, xp VMs at times as well. it handles them with ease (apart from when i have no RAM of course ;)).

my experience with a consumer of vmware has been much worse then with parallels - so i will stick with parallels 5 for now.

i wonder how the benchmarks compare now after these updates.
 
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