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VO2 Max in Watch OS4
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In another thread you posted basically that you ran a 7:15 mile and you considered 10 minute miles leisurely. So I'm guessing that over distances you are probably about an 8 minute/mile runnier. There are many other variables like age, sex, hight, weight, etc to account for but a VO2 Max of 40 sounds like it may be low for your stated performance level. Of course you say you only have a sample of 1 and since it is an estimate you should have many samples to average and get a better estimate. Here are a few charts so you can see your approximate VO2 Max range for your age/sex.
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/norms/vo2max.htm
http://harristrainingsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/VO2Max-Norms-Chart.pdf
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Watch is a GREAT overall health tracking device but is NOT a great (or even very good) running tracker. If really interested you should add a Garmin (or other detected running) watch for runs.
In another thread you posted basically that you ran a 7:15 mile and you considered 10 minute miles leisurely. So I'm guessing that over distances you are probably about an 8 minute/mile runnier. There are many other variables like age, sex, hight, weight, etc to account for but a VO2 Max of 40 sounds like it may be low for your stated performance level. Of course you say you only have a sample of 1 and since it is an estimate you should have many samples to average and get a better estimate. Here are a few charts so you can see your approximate VO2 Max range for your age/sex.
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/norms/vo2max.htm
http://harristrainingsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/VO2Max-Norms-Chart.pdf
Also the
I agree with you that Garmin is definitely a superior running watch. However, the average person doesn't need to know the details of their cadence and all the other running dynamics. Speed, pace, time and distance are plenty for most people.
My lactate threshold and VO2 MAX from treadmill testing compare very closely with my Garmin Fenix 3 figures. Definitely not just froth on the coffee.
That's good, my experience with estimates is this; they help the user plan, track and help those of us with a budget and can't afford a real time session. Just don't confuse estimates with real data.
You are also confirming what the other poster mentioned about their Garmin device.
I have found that Apple Watch cycling calorie estimates are at minimum about 25% higher than real time wattage data collected from on bike devices.
The real goal is to use this data to improve both performance and health. I think some may not understand what knowing their VO2 max really means.
Mad Mac Maniac
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I just discovered that watchOS 4 shows VO2 max. That's great! But th fact that apple didn't announce it on stage worries me a little bit that it might be removed and only be a series 3 feature. Is it still showing up in the betas?
I haven't seen VO2max on the my AW2, but the calculated data are hidden in the Health app under iOS 11.
Mad Mac Maniac
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Yeah, I find it a little odd that Apple would enable something like this but hide it away (also not even mention it).
The Apple Watch calculates a LOT more than people think. I run and walk with my AW2 and sometimes Garmin 735XT multiple times daily and have had it track my VO2 max for the last few months. If you import running, walking, paddling or swimming data into an app like RunGap, you'll find that the watch is calculating cadence (with the accelerometer) as well as paddle strokes , stroke distance, etc. Along with VO2 max, it covers many of the same features that my Garmin 735 does. Now Apple's software implementation leaves a LOT to be desired, whether we are talking the oversimplified Activity app, or the better in IOS11 but still confusing Health App. The good news is that other Apps can read all the data now when they update. So someone can build an app that can pull all that info, including VO2 max, cadence, workout routes, etc. and show us some useful information and charts. Because apples version of that will always be less than what we want. The Tempo app is a good start, and hopefully they'll update their app for IOS 11 soon. Just my two cents.
Mad Mac Maniac
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This is definitely good news. If Apple isn't going to make good use of this data, surely others will. This is the first I've heard about all the other stuff (like cadence). Just keeps getting better and better. Now if only it could accurately show HRV (Heart Rate Variability)....
No. It shows up in the HR app in watchOS 4 on my Series 2: current, resting HR, walking HR, workout HR data, HR recovery data, all with little graphs.
I'm seeing it now, but I'm pretty certain I didn't have it in the most recent beta, whatever the last dev beta was. I tried clicking and swiping and scrolling and nothing came up..nor was there that top left text to click back to the overview page.
Is it new just to the latest build and essentially GM 4.0?
I must say, I like being able to see the VO2Max data. Still on my S0, but plan to upgrade to the Nike S3 when it’s released.
I did two NRC runs, but I think it calculated it from my second that was was started on my Apple Watch and not the iPhone. I will test it out tomorrow to see which the data came from.
I did two NRC runs, but I think it calculated it from my second that was was started on my Apple Watch and not the iPhone. I will test it out tomorrow to see which the data came from.
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Mad Mac Maniac
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Oh that's interesting... I never considered that using Nike+ to find VO2 max could vary depending on starting from watch or phone. I always start from my phone because (unless I'm doing something wrong or the app has been changed) it only uses GPS when started from the phone. Plus from my tests (granted a year ago) it was more reliable starting from the phone.
After testing today, it does indeed show IF you start the run on the Apple Watch but not on the iPhone which kind of sucks. With Watch OS 4, when you start your run on your iPhone and have a playlist selected, now when you glance at your watch, your screen shows the music playing instead of your run stats! Then if you have a S0 and you start your run on your Apple Watch, you don’t get a location graph of run, which is odd. I understand no GPS, but why doesn’t NRC when started from the watch just tether to the iPhone to show a map? Plus no music or audio cues sounded off when my run started from my watch...but hey at least I know how to see my VO2MAX!
I get VO2 Max when I start the run on my phone. As a matter of habit I start the run from the phone because I found that it has been more liable. I would love to start from the watch but I still have some reliability concerns.
My VO2 max was pretty consistent, usually I’m around 44 but yesterday I did a 5k run with around 2,400 people and my VO2 max was 47 I ran again today and it was back down to 44. So not sure if the Apple Watch 3 didn’t track properly yesterday or not.