Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

[Vanilla35]

The point is, they are both delayed until Feb., not June like the 15" processor, if that Chinese site's rumor is accurate.

Yes sir. This is an awkward situation for apple. I'm assuming they will try to mitigate that by having a blank refresh this year, then Broadwell as soon as possible, and Skylake early 2016. The 13" would be even more challenging because if they do a speed-bump now it would be a very small refresh, and then they would also have to have a significant refresh in Feb. for the Broadwell processor.

 

[Sifinity]

Yes sir. This is an awkward situation for apple. I'm assuming they will try to mitigate that by having a blank refresh this year, then Broadwell as soon as possible, and Skylake early 2016. The 13" would be even more challenging because if they do a speed-bump now it would be a very small refresh, and then they would also have to have a significant refresh in Feb. for the Broadwell processor.

that would actually make the most sense since from now(July) to February is around 240 days an average apple cycle

 

[Vanilla35]

that would actually make the most sense since from now(July) to February is around 240 days an average apple cycle

Another thing to throw into the mix is whether the delay of Broadwell will cast a delay on Skylake itself. There have been mixed reports about whether that would occur or not. My guess is it would just for simple reasons such as product cycles, higher focus on getting the troubling Broadwell out to market, etc.

 

[Sifinity]

Another thing to throw into the mix is whether the delay of Broadwell will cast a delay on Skylake itself. There have been mixed reports about whether that would occur or not. My guess is it would just for simple reasons such as product cycles, higher focus on getting the troubling Broadwell out to market, etc.

id assume skylake would be released late 2015/early 2016 if broadwell is that delayed

 

[Vanilla35]

id assume skylake would be released late 2015/early 2016 if broadwell is that delayed

I mean that was the normal release date. If Broadwell hadn't been delayed it would have been ~1 year after, but instead it'll be ~6 months after, which seems short, especially if Apple plans on on "innovating" for 2 models in a 6 month period. If it comes to that, seems to me like one of those two models is going to be gimped of features. Or maybe one get features, while the other gets a redesign.

 

[joecool99]

860m vs. 750m

Major increase in processing power:
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-860M-vs-GeForce-GT-750M

 

[andrewtm]

So is the verdict just to buy one now? Or wait until a possible spec bump in the fall? Or is it worth it to wait entirely til next year for Broadwell?

 

[imm22]

July 13 was one of the dates rumored for the launch of a speed bump rMBP. We are on the day 13 and the apple store doesn't show anything new until now.

I will wait until the end of the day, if by then nothing appears, we will have to wait until October for one of the longest update cycles of a MacBook Pro from at least the last ten years as I can remember.

 

[GoneDrinkin]

It is not 100% fact at all. I also don't know why you keep saying they will update between now and October. It could easily be updated in November-December too, or January-February, as they have done in the past.

The thing that apple really needs to decide is what features they are planning on adding to the next refresh model, and whether it is worth it to put for instance, an IGZO display in this next (potentially minor speed-bump refresh) model if the larger Broadwell refresh is to occur a mere 6 months from that update.

I also find it hard to believe that Apple will do 3 refreshes within a 12 month period. My guess would be that if they are indeed forced to have Broadwell in Q3 2015, with Skylake coming in Q4 2015, that they will do the bare minimum for this refresh, have a redesign for the Broadwell model, and then a normal (feature added) refresh for Skylake in Q4.

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They are both U-series processors but they are not the same. The MBA's processor is a 15 W, while the 13" rMBP's is a 28 W processor.

Edit: You're right, the distinction hasn't garnered a delay between the two processors

They've never gone over a year without updating their MacBooks. To do that would cost them sales because nobody is going to pay that price for 2013 hardware.

We get an early, late or mid updates, and MacBooks get updated twice a year, usually. It's actually unusual we'll only get one in all of 2014.

If they update this summer, then there won't be another update until early 2015, some goes for an October update.

But one this is fact and that's that there's gonna be an update this year.

 

[Alfonsomac]

July 13 was one of the dates rumored for the launch of a speed bump rMBP. We are on the day 13 and the apple store doesn't show anything new until now.

I will wait until the end of the day, if by then nothing appears, we will have to wait until October for one of the longest update cycles of a MacBook Pro from at least the last ten years as I can remember.

Apple has never released a Macbook Pro in July.
Always during the month of February, March, April, June and October.
So, i guess we just have to wait another couple of months.

 

[PBP]

July 13 was one of the dates rumored for the launch of a speed bump rMBP. We are on the day 13 and the apple store doesn't show anything new until now.

I will wait until the end of the day, if by then nothing appears, we will have to wait until October for one of the longest update cycles of a MacBook Pro from at least the last ten years as I can remember.

Releasing a product (even a spec-bump) on Sunday is not gonna happen.

 

[Sifinity]

July 13 was one of the dates rumored for the launch of a speed bump rMBP. We are on the day 13 and the apple store doesn't show anything new until now.

I will wait until the end of the day, if by then nothing appears, we will have to wait until October for one of the longest update cycles of a MacBook Pro from at least the last ten years as I can remember.

if they do release a spec bump its going to be tomorrow not today

 

[OzyOly]

if they do release a spec bump its going to be tomorrow not today

And that has not happened either.

 

[imm22]

Waiting for Broadwell MBP Thread

 

[Sifinity]

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wait till september , i think there going to release refresh with iPhone 6

 

[macbook123]

And that has not happened either.

Wouldn't we see tightening supplies of the current versions before something like this happens?

My ****** situation is that I'm going abroad for 5 weeks starting next week and need a new RMBP. If it gets upgraded while I'm gone I won't be able to return the one I get because I'll get back more than 2/4 weeks after I leave (purchase it).

 

[Sifinity]

Wouldn't we see tightening supplies of the current versions before something like this happens?

My ****** situation is that I'm going abroad for 5 weeks starting next week and need a new RMBP. If it gets upgraded while I'm gone I won't be able to return the one I get because I'll get back more than 2/4 weeks after I leave (purchase it).

which version are you wanting to get? like 13 or 15? and which model

 

[OzyOly]

Wouldn't we see tightening supplies of the current versions before something like this happens?

My ****** situation is that I'm going abroad for 5 weeks starting next week and need a new RMBP. If it gets upgraded while I'm gone I won't be able to return the one I get because I'll get back more than 2/4 weeks after I leave (purchase it).

It is going to be a small update. The only advantage of waiting is the resell value of it being the 2014 model. If you need it go for it now. I have to get one by the second week of September, whether there is an update or not as I'm also away on business.

 

[macbook123]

which version are you wanting to get? like 13 or 15? and which model

High end 15.4" version.

 

[Sifinity]

High end 15.4" version.

then it would make sense to wait , but if you can't the one right now isn't bad either and will last a while

 

[Vanilla35]

I just can't believe that we're going to get stuck with some crap 0.1 MHz speed bump for the 15" rMBP, and then waiting until July for the real release. I'll be ready to buy in Sept-Oct.

 

[johnnylarue]

I just can't believe that we're going to get stuck with some crap 0.1 MHz speed bump for the 15" rMBP, and then waiting until July for the real release. I'll be ready to buy in Sept-Oct.

The real kicker here is that the Haswell machines--especially the 15"--weren't even a huge improvement on the original 2012 rMBPs.

I have no regrets about buying when I did back in October 2013, since my computer is still 'king of the heap' by default, but there's no denying this is kind of an unprecedented lag in overall performance improvements in the modern laptop market.

All the while I'm picturing Ray Kurzweil at his drawing table, angrily revising the timeline to his "Singularity" prophecy, while his custom algorithms feverishly generate and send millions of unique hate mail messages to Intel.

 

[Fraser28]

So what do we think the chances are that Apple will include the GeForce GTX 860M or 850M to replace the 750M?

That would be an important improvement for me, personally.

 

[Quu]

So what do we think the chances are that Apple will include the GeForce GTX 860M or 850M to replace the 750M?

That would be an important improvement for me, personally.

I think 100% it will receive upgraded graphics either the 850m or 860m. I'd lean towards the 850m only because they've used that category twice before with the 650m and 750m it seems to offer the performance to power consumption that Apple are after.

 

[Fraser28]

I think 100% it will receive upgraded graphics either the 850m or 860m. I'd lean towards the 850m only because they've used that category twice before with the 650m and 750m it seems to offer the performance to power consumption that Apple are after.

Great, happy to see your confidence. I use my MBP to play games, and currently have a 2010 MBP (with a Nvidia GeForce 350M card). I'm really counting on upgrading this fall to a 15" rMBP. So while I'm quite disappointed that Broadwell won't make it, an upgrade in the graphics card to 850M would be awesome.

How big of a difference do you guys think I would notice in running games going from 350M to 850M? My current card fails to run high-demanding/new games respectably (such as Bioshock Infinite or The Witcher 2). I would love to run The Witcher 3, and would consider medium settings at 900p/30FPS acceptable when it releases. Seem doable?