Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[toneLA]

I did graduate studies at the University of Paris 1 Pantheon-Sorbonne. My French is sufficient to read the article. The author of the article speculates that the Haswell rMBP will get the 755M, but most certainly does not claim that the drivers in Mavericks so indicate. The author doesn't make any claim to support that belief other than saying that the 755M is the successor to the Nvidia chip in the current rMBP.

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The CPU and surrounding chips communicate by setting the voltage on interconnecting lines to 0V (to represent a zero) and 1.2V (to represent a one). All, yes all, of the energy needed to do this eventually dissipates as heat. Regardless, the energy consumed by these interconnect lines is a tiny tiny fraction of 1% of the energy consumed by and dissipated by the chips themselves.

I'm sorry to contradict you, I'm a French native. Even though I've lived in the States for too long to keep counting the years, my French is not rusty, they clearly make the assumption that there's going to be a dGPU in the future iteration of the 15-inch.

Let me translate if for you.

'Le 15 pouces est également doté d’une puce graphique de NVIDIA et le nouveau modèle attendu pour l’automne devrait intégrer la GeForce GT 755M, successeur de la puce actuelle.'

> The 15-inch is also equipped with an NVIDIA dGPU and the upcoming model expected in the fall should include the GeForce GT 755M, successor of the actual chipset.

Before the actual model is released, we can only speculate indeed. But the author's speculation here is based on the codes found in Mavericks. It's the title of the article after all : Mavericks, indiscreet about the embedded graphic chipsets in future Macs.

Food for thoughts.

 

[GSPice]

Discussing power engineering and French linguistics to speculate on an upcoming product?

Macrumors just reached a new level of awesome. We all need to get together to party after this thing is released.

 

[polymersayb]

French site Macgeneration says nvidia 755M GT In rmbp 15, from some code found in Mavericks...

You mean this article?
http://www.macg.co/news/voir/260977/os-x-10.9-indiscret-sur-les-cartes-graphiques-des-futurs-mac

It doesn't say that. It says that the current 15" rMBP uses an Nvidia chip in addition to the integrated graphics and that the successor to the Nvidia chip in the current 15" rMBP is the 755M. The paragraph that talks about the graphics drivers in Mavericks only mentions the Intel 4000 and 5000 series HD integrated graphics.

Actually, it says pretty plainly that the 15" rMBP "should" get the 755M. That is their opinion of course, but that's what it says.

"The 15-inch also has a graphics chip from NVIDIA and the new model expected to fall should include the GeForce GT 755m , the successor to the current chip." (Google translation)

Unless you know french or something and this has been translated wrong, the article says that they think the successor will come with the 755M.

It says the 15" will have the 755M this fall...

Dans l’un des fichiers de ce système, Pierre Dandumont a noté l’ajout de plusieurs références qui pourraient indiquer quelles cartes graphiques seront présentes dans les futurs Mac. Le passage à Haswell mené avant l’été sur les MacBook Air devrait également concerner les MacBook Pro Retina le mois prochain (lire : Les MacBook Pro Haswell sortiraient en septembre). Cette nouvelle architecture Intel intègre la puce graphique Intel HD 5000 qui succède à la Intel HD 4000, le modèle qui équipe les modèles actuels.

Apple pourrait opter pour une déclinaison plus puissante, l’Intel Iris Pro, même s’il pourrait y avoir une différence entre le MBPR 13 pouces et le 15 pouces concernant le modèle précis (Iris Pro 5100 ou 5200), comme on l’expliquait le mois dernier (lire : Quelles puces pour les MacBook Pro Haswell ?). Le document utilisé par le blogueur ne permet pas d’en savoir plus sur ce point. Le 15 pouces est également doté d’une puce graphique de NVIDIA et le nouveau modèle attendu pour l’automne devrait intégrer la GeForce GT 755M, successeur de la puce actuelle. Cette nouvelle puce graphique est assez proche de l’ancienne, mais plus puissante, grâce à sa fréquence supérieure (980 MHz contre 775 MHz).

My translation:

In a system file, Pierre Dandumont noted several references that may indicate the graphics cards that will be present in future Macs. The switch to Haswell in the Macbook Airs from earlier this summer should occur in the rMBP next month. This new architecture uses Intel HD5000 graphics, the successor to HD4000 found in the current models.

Apple could opt for a more powerful option, Iris Pro, though the model might be different between the 13" and 15" (5100 vs 5200), as we explained last month. The document used by the blogger does not allow us to know more at this point. The 15" currently has an NVIDIA graphics card and the new model expected this fall should [in this context should is speculation] have the 755M, the successor to the current chip. This GPU is relatively similar to the old one, but more powerful, thanks to its higher clockspeed (980 vs 775 MHz).

The rest of the article talks about the Mini and iMac.

They're purely speculating.

Edit. Perhaps the bolded part means they can't distinguish between 5100 and 5200. The original blogpost claims there are references to a GT 755M, which could be used for the 15" rMBP or the iMac. You can search through the screenshot here.

Edit2. I circled the 755M for you guys. (fixed, it used to have the 775 circled)

 

[mcarling]

the author's speculation here is based on the codes found in Mavericks. It's the title of the article after all : Mavericks, indiscreet about the embedded graphic chipsets in future Macs.

Food for thoughts.

It would be unusual if the title were written by the author. Titles are normally written by editors and are often sensationalist in ways that make authors uncomfortable.

Food for thought.

 

[warplane95]

I'm sorry to contradict you, I'm a French native. Even though I've lived in the States for too long to keep counting the years, my French is not rusty, they clearly make the assumption that there's going to be a dGPU in the future iteration of the 15-inch.

Let me translate if for you.

'Le 15 pouces est également doté d’une puce graphique de NVIDIA et le nouveau modèle attendu pour l’automne devrait intégrer la GeForce GT 755M, successeur de la puce actuelle.'

> The 15-inch is also equipped with an NVIDIA dGPU and the upcoming model expected in the fall should include the GeForce GT 755M, successor of the actual chipset.

Before the actual model is released, we can only speculate indeed. But the author's speculation here is based on the codes found in Mavericks. It's the title of the article after all : Mavericks, indiscreet about the embedded graphic chipsets in future Macs.

Food for thoughts.

I dont talk alot on this forum because i can only read english, no writing. But in french the verb should is "devrais" and the verb will have is "vas avoir"

Vanillacracker have the good answer

 

[GSPice]

It would be unusual if the title were written by the author. Titles are normally written by editors and are often sensationalist in ways that make authors uncomfortable.

Food for thought.

Now we need to figure the "tabloid level" of this article, because I can't imagine editors' magazines lasting very long if they bank on misleading to get respectable readers..

 

[ajumbaje]

anyone have a ballpark figure on how much the new haswells will cost?

I'm looking at the 15" 2.7 ghz model with 16gb ram and 768 gb ssd.

that with apple care and a mini display port to vga adapter is 3306$ before tax after education discount.

Hoping the prices drop a little...

is 220$ for a bump from 2.7 to 2.8 worth that much???

well if the new mbps have nvidia 755m in them, i will wait lol

 

[Millionaire2K]

Discussing power engineering and French linguistics to speculate on an upcoming product?

Macrumors just reached a new level of awesome. We all need to get together to party after this thing is released.

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What this guy says

 

[sofianito]

I did graduate studies at the University of Paris 1 Pantheon-Sorbonne. My French is sufficient to read the article. The author of the article speculates that the Haswell rMBP will get the 755M, but most certainly does not claim that the drivers in Mavericks so indicate. The author doesn't make any claim to support that belief other than saying that the 755M is the successor to the Nvidia chip in the current rMBP.

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The CPU and surrounding chips communicate by setting the voltage on interconnecting lines to 0V (to represent a zero) and 1.2V (to represent a one). All, yes all, of the energy needed to do this eventually dissipates as heat. Regardless, the energy consumed by these interconnect lines is a tiny tiny fraction of 1% of the energy consumed by and dissipated by the chips themselves.

Bravo Monsieur, tu parles alors couramment français. Combine de temps t'es resté à Paris? Oú est-ce que se trouve le quartier latin? Surtout ne triches pas avec le traducteur mon grand...

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I'm sorry to contradict you, I'm a French native. Even though I've lived in the States for too long to keep counting the years, my French is not rusty, they clearly make the assumption that there's going to be a dGPU in the future iteration of the 15-inch.

Let me translate if for you.

'Le 15 pouces est également doté d’une puce graphique de NVIDIA et le nouveau modèle attendu pour l’automne devrait intégrer la GeForce GT 755M, successeur de la puce actuelle.'

> The 15-inch is also equipped with an NVIDIA dGPU and the upcoming model expected in the fall should include the GeForce GT 755M, successor of the actual chipset.

Before the actual model is released, we can only speculate indeed. But the author's speculation here is based on the codes found in Mavericks. It's the title of the article after all : Mavericks, indiscreet about the embedded graphic chipsets in future Macs.

Food for thoughts.

Salut, tu manges tes patates avec de la mayo ou du ketchup? Les crèpes c'est mieux ...

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Discussing power engineering and French linguistics to speculate on an upcoming product?

Macrumors just reached a new level of awesome. We all need to get together to party after this thing is released.

American people love French and Paris, the romantic and love city... They feel la crème de la crème when they speak or/and understand French...

 

[Vanilla35]

Perhaps the bolded means they can't distinguish between 5100 and 5200.

I think based on what your translation said it means the two could differentiate meaning that the 13" would have the 5100, while the 15" would have the 5200, which is unlike previous (the current) models.

The claims there are references to a GT 755M, which could be used for the 15" rMBP or the iMac.

The question is what references are they talking about, because a 755M seems reallyyy unlikely for an iMac. I looked at the URL on my phone and it just looks like a bunch of random potential cards.

 

[Blaine]

Blah I wish we just had answers. I think I'm going crazy!!! vdrfsckhtsxv

-eats own power cord-

 

[mcarling]

I wish we just had answers.

The improvements we've seen to Haswell MBAs like 802.11ac and PCIe SSD will surely be found in the Haswell MBPs. I don't expect to see much in the way of other improvements, just minor incremental updates. For some users, one or two of the incremental improvements may be very important. Most users won't notice a difference.

 

[Watabou]

This is good, people talking about dGPUs. I thought everyone lost hope about that.

Well uni started last week and being a CS major with a broken screen is really tough so I'm using by brother's old thinkpad t500 temporarily. I was actually in the verge of buying the 16GB/512 rMBP but I just decided to wait because it's probably less than a month away if it does arrive on September.

I gotta say, everyone seems to love Thinkpads but really, I can't see why. It's really heavy, the display sucks, the trackpad especially sucks since it's way too small. I'm used to having a large trackpad and I miss two finger scrolling. They keyboard is okay but there's way too many buttons and the whole think feels really clunky. Instead of having keyboard backlight, the geniuses at Lenovo thought that why not put a bright flash light on the display to light down the keyboard?! I suppose they really wanted the thinkpad water proof. I never bring any drinks near my laptop, or allow anyone else to though so I don't have that problem.

The faster Apple releases the rMBP, the faster I can ditch this thing.

 

[benjones]

That file also contains references to a load of other mobile GPUs. Looks like a generic file provided by Nvidia.

 

[blueTattoo]

That file also contains references to a load of other mobile GPUs.

Including Iris Pro, which I wonder where exactly should go, if rMBP is to get 755m.
Maybe these are actually for the IMac, but when was the last time Apple use multiple dgpu providers? It is possible, but considering they'll go with AMD for the Mac Pro, I found it highly unlikely.

 

[ValSalva]

I gotta say, everyone seems to love Thinkpads but really, I can't see why. It's really heavy, the display sucks, the trackpad especially sucks since it's way too small. I'm used to having a large trackpad and I miss two finger scrolling. They keyboard is okay but there's way too many buttons and the whole think feels really clunky. Instead of having keyboard backlight, the geniuses at Lenovo thought that why not put a bright flash light on the display to light down the keyboard?! I suppose they really wanted the thinkpad water proof. I never bring any drinks near my laptop, or allow anyone else to though so I don't have that problem.

The faster Apple releases the rMBP, the faster I can ditch this thing.

And Lenovo is considered the best of what is left of the PC makers

 

[JayDH]

I currently have an early-2011 15" MBP (2.2GHz quad-core Core i7-2720QM, 4GB of RAM, and AMD Radeon HD 6750M).

It's still chugging along fairly well and I just had the battery replaced by Apple so it's in good shape too.

But. I really want a rMBP. I don't do any gaming and use the machine mostly for photo editing and Office. The retina display is just gorgeous and I love the lighter, thinner design.

Are there any problems with the current generation rMBP that might be solved with the Haswell model? It looks like Apple is offering the early-2013 model I want (2.7/16/512) refurb at a nice discount. Since I won't be pushing this machine to the limits, it might be a good deal for me but I don't want to be disappointed when the Haswell model is announced soon if it fixes problems I might be annoyed with.

Thanks for the help everyone!

 

[mcarling]

Are there any problems with the current generation rMBP that might be solved with the Haswell model? It looks like Apple is offering the early-2013 model I want (2.7/16/512) refurb at a nice discount. Since I won't be pushing this machine to the limits, it might be a good deal for me but I don't want to be disappointed when the Haswell model is announced soon if it fixes problems I might be annoyed with.

It sounds like you'd be fine with the current rMBP.

 

[Koulie]

That EMSOne report has really snowballed into the media - as shown by a Google news search.
It's like WWDC all over again; articles reporting rumors as facts

I guess it is making the 'Great Wait' (August) a little less depressing. Heck, it has even got me excited!

I'd just like to add that it has been 306 days since the rMBP got released. Historically, Macs on average, are on a 340 day life-cycle (excluding the minor bumps). So the day count (approx 323 days) comes very close to that day count, but so does October.
Still on the fence with this one! Don't want another disappointment...

PS Macs have also historically had a 90+/- day variance, just using it as a semi-reliable benchmark.

 

[GSPice]

That EMSOne report has really snowballed into the media - as shown by a Google news search.
It's like WWDC all over again; articles reporting rumors as facts

I guess it is making the 'Great Wait' (August) a little less depressing. Heck, it has even got me excited!

I'd just like to add that it has been 306 days since the rMBP got released. Historically, Macs on average, are on a 340 day life-cycle (excluding the minor bumps). So the day count (approx 323 days) comes very close to that day count, but so does October.
Still on the fence with this one! Don't want another disappointment...

PS Macs have also historically had a 90+/- day variance, just using it as a semi-reliable benchmark.

I'm hoping for a sept 10 announcement but if its not announced that day I won't be nearly as disappointed as when they didn't announce it at WWDC.,

 

[ValSalva]

That EMSOne report has really snowballed into the media - as shown by a Google news search.
It's like WWDC all over again; articles reporting rumors as facts

I guess it is making the 'Great Wait' (August) a little less depressing. Heck, it has even got me excited!

I'd just like to add that it has been 306 days since the rMBP got released. Historically, Macs on average, are on a 340 day life-cycle (excluding the minor bumps). So the day count (approx 323 days) comes very close to that day count, but so does October.
Still on the fence with this one! Don't want another disappointment...

PS Macs have also historically had a 90+/- day variance, just using it as a semi-reliable benchmark.

It's even longer than that. The 15" rMBP was released in June at the 2012 WWDC. It had a mid-cycle processor update (same Ivy Bridge family) in February 2013. The 13" rMBP was released in October 2012 and had the same processor update this February. It must be 306 days since the 13" rMBP was originally released. It's been a long wait no matter how one counts it.

 

[PDFierro]

I'm hoping for a sept 10 announcement but if its not announced that day I won't be nearly as disappointed as when they didn't announce it at WWDC.,

Agreed. I think we were all expecting it to come out at WWDC, and then when it didn't we knew it probably would not come out until September.

If no new rMBP at the iPhone event, then we only have 1 month maximum to wait.

 

[GSPice]

Oh and we need someone to come and set this thread straight! People are actually hoping for a dGPU again?!

 

[JayDH]

It sounds like you'd be fine with the current rMBP.

Thanks! I went ahead and ordered the current model refurbished this morning at a $420 discount! Seems like a great deal for a machine that will last me for quite some time.

 

[GSPice]

Thanks! I went ahead and ordered the current model refurbished this morning at a $420 discount! Seems like a great deal for a machine that will last me for quite some time.

Why you little... get over to the "I just ordered.." thread..

Congrats