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Even at 32 cores, the epyc processors have slow clocks per core.
Dual socket processors :
Base clock = 2.2 GHz
Boost clock ( upto 12 cores ) = 3.2 GHz
All core boost clock = 2.7 GHz

Single socket is even slower for operations that favour raw single core performance.

Unless AMD pulls out 24/32 core threadrippers that operate around the current 16 core frequencies, the single core operation may take a hit.

I am all for the water cooled parts.

They should support at least 512 GB for the ram though.
 
I am with Aiden on this, I highly doubt Apple will leave Intel. Even with Intel allowing others to use thunderbolt, Apple has been their biggest thunderbolt supporter. I highly doubt Apple will just abandon them.

If I am wrong then I am wrong. We will see.
i thought an Apple exec spoke this year of their relationship with Intel.. saying it's a good/strong relationship which will be lasting into the future.

something like that.. i didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it.
does anybody remember what i'm talking about (even if my exact info is wrong)?

or am i just imagining something that didn't happen?
 
I don't buy DarkNetGuy's specs. First, doubtful Apple would move away from Intel (they'll want to leverage iMac Pro work.)

Second, three GPUs makes absolutely no sense. macOS is still optimized for one compute, one display. A two GPU option makes sense. Three does not.

Two Thunderbolt 3 ports running at Thunderbolt 2 speeds also does not sound anything like Apple.

I'm also pretty sure there is no solid prototype right now.

Could be wrong, but nothing really adds up in that rumor.

(Also I don't think the name "Macintosh" is making a comeback. That makes no sense either.)
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Please Read my previous post about DNG leak, it changes everything, while i dont give him full thrust, at least has some hits on record, as the TouchBar, the iMac Pro etc.

While I don't buy his leak, it specifically says no PCIe GPUs. It changes nothing about what I said. I don't know whether Apple will use PCIe or not but it totally acknowledges the problem.

About your comment, worth to say, Gigabyte a major PC MB manufacturer is selling X399 (amd) and X299(intel) both having on board TB3 (yes the AMD MB too) both having a separate pin header for dGPU feeding TB3 chipset, the only bad thing is to date those TB3 are disabled and Gigabyte do not mention when bios enable and which GPUs will be compatible with this pin header.

An internal header might be acceptable to Apple but an external pass through cable is never going to happen.

Like you noted, I've never seen a GPU with an internal header and apparently Gigabyte has not either. Unless those catch on, that means you won't see a wide range of third party upgrade cards options.

Also I'd like to mention Intel's NUC SkullCanyon has TB3 on board and few mini-PC from Zotac also have TB3, both fully capables to drive 5K 60p HDR displays.

From iGPU which I specifically said is a no-go on a pro machine that doesn't even have an iGPU.

Yes, if you have an iGPU or a dGPU soldered to the motherboard Thunderbolt 3 gets really easy. This is exactly why the can Mac Pro didn't have swappable cards.
 
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I found an image of one :

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That's more or less how the 13" touchbar Macbook Pro does things, at least for the 2016 version, iirc.

Was it so big of a difference ? I remember reading that the right port is slower than the left (or vice versa), but is the speed difference TB2 vs TB3 ?
 
Also pin the Name (this may be not a leak, just forum reading, as I noted Craig named it will proudly be named Macintosh at April's mea culpa talk)
(Also I don't think the name "Macintosh" is making a comeback. That makes no sense either.)

These are the exact words Craig said: "So the team certainly has been spending a lot of time with customers to understand what better would fit most workflows, to take the time to do something great, and something inspired and that we’re proud to put the name Macintosh on."

That is the only mention of the word "Macintosh" - everywhere else (including earlier in the paragraph above), he referred to the "Mac".

So I am with goMac - this will be the Mac Pro, not Macintosh Pro.
 
These are the exact words Craig said: "So the team certainly has been spending a lot of time with customers to understand what better would fit most workflows, to take the time to do something great, and something inspired and that we’re proud to put the name Macintosh on."

That is the only mention of the word "Macintosh" - everywhere else (including earlier in the paragraph above), he referred to the "Mac".

So I am with goMac - this will be the Mac Pro, not Macintosh Pro.

Craig's been around long enough to think of it as a Macintosh. Lot's of engineers use that word for a Mac.
 
First, doubtful Apple would move away from Intel (they'll want to leverage iMac Pro work.)

AMD previously Had no CPU competitive agains Intel's, Now AMD offers more PCIe lines Better IPC and Lower Cost, plus AMD's Ryzen has lift a lot of attention last months from enthusiasts, even its the Best CPU for Monero Mining (monero's cryptonote algorithm is ASIC/FPGA proof, its economically feasible to mine monero with AMD CPUs not just its GPUs.

I bet not just the Macintosh Pro, also the Mac mini (or Macintosh Mini) will be Full-AMD.

Second, three GPUs makes absolutely no sense. macOS is still optimized for one compute, one display. A two GPU option makes sense. Three does not.

One GPU for Display is enough, but Core-ML is natively enabled for as many GPU you can plug to the Mac, dGPU,iGPU, eGPU, that renders moot your argument against three GPUs, I buy this from DNG.

Two Thunderbolt 3 ports running at Thunderbolt 2 speeds also does not sound anything like Apple.

This time I'm on your side, I dont buy the Macintosh pro having two underrated TB3 ports, but remenber the current e17 MBP15 has two full speed TB3 (4x) and 2 half speed TB3 (2x)

(Also I don't think the name "Macintosh" is making a comeback. That makes no sense either.)

So I am with goMac - this will be the Mac Pro, not Macintosh Pro.

I bet on Macintosh Pro.
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What I dont buy from last DNG's predictions/leaks:

Case: Glass on the case, at least not in the way it have been popular by past two years, Apple dont follow trends, Apple makes trends.

3rd TB3 header at half speed, even the McPro should include 4 headers (8 ports), also a PCIe x4 slot for legacy cards.

another I dont buy is only 2 SSDs, with 128 PCIe lines and plenty real state for two more NVMe will put the McPro in the same leage as HP Z ws.

Size: I've doing some maths based on AMD's gpu heath sink size (a good metter for a Mezzanine GPU card), and with 3 GPU and a Epyc CPU plus 4-8 DIMM + 2-4 NVMe(dimms maybe on the motherboard's back as the SSDs) requires at least 12"x15" all with at least 8 Inch in depth for cooling pipes. 2-3 radiators on top and the rest on the back has more sense, and the front fully clossed, with as much a discrete .power button on it (since it is too dept to being powered from the Back as the rest).

And cost, it could star cheap at 2500$ but should pass 11,000 Mark (not considering Vega 20 option, much more expensive)
 
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Check This, comes from our old Friend DarkNetGuy: now he describes the Macintosh Pro -new (old) MP7.1 name-.

  • 3 AMD Vega 64/ Vega20 GPUs later , Mezzanine Form Factor with liquid cooling, independent cooler/radiator for each GPU.
  • Singe Socket AMD CPU 8 to 32 Cores Liquid cooled also.
  • 128 GB ecc/non-ecc ram
  • 2 NVMe PCIe X4
  • 4 Thunderbolt 3
  • 2 Thunderbolt 3 at Tb2 speed
  • 8 USB 3.1 G2
  • 2 10GB Lan
  • Size: about 10x12x8 inches (pretty small for such powerful rig)

now the interesting part that worth to pin this 'prediction/leak':

Aluminum/Glass chassis, glass on the sides, aluminum on the frames/grill, 2 radiators in front 2 (DNG do not specify how many on top or front) on top, PSU (1200W) on the floor, the front and top resembles the cheese grater but on black aluminum no slots, just an power on switch like a pencil's eraser. The Glass Panels on the sides Shown a Giant Apple Logo. (no backlit logo, sorry)

Also pin the Name (this may be not a leak, just forum reading, as I noted Craig named it will proudly be named Macintosh at April's mea culpa talk)

(may someone imagine it on 3D Studio ? at least look interesting very cool).

Modular? Yes for Apple production lines, no one could replace a **** on this as expected.

To be priced from 2500 to 9000$ 8-32 cores 16-128gb ram, 512-4TB SSD. Sinlge Vega 56 (12GB) to triple Vega 64(16GB).

Vega 20 Compute Gpu Option Available later post WWDC, Availability April or August 2018.

Full Loaded the Macintosh Pro (~10,000$) to offer 128 GB Ram, 3x Vega 64 GPU, 32 Cores CPU, 4TB SSD. (who said: take may money ?)
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Please Read my previous post about DNG leak, it changes everything, while i dont give him full thrust, at least has some hits on record, as the TouchBar, the iMac Pro etc.

About your comment, worth to say, Gigabyte a major PC MB manufacturer is selling X399 (amd) and X299(intel) both having on board TB3 (yes the AMD MB too) both having a separate pin header for dGPU feeding TB3 chipset, the only bad thing is to date those TB3 are disabled and Gigabyte do not mention when bios enable and which GPUs will be compatible with this pin header.

Also I'd like to mention Intel's NUC SkullCanyon has TB3 on board and few mini-PC from Zotac also have TB3, both fully capables to drive 5K 60p HDR displays.
Sounds decent apart from AMD CPU and 128GB RAM limit. Also no reason to not just go 100% TB3. Apple is not going to support any legacy ports on this. Would be surprised to see plain old USB plugs.

I believe it will absolutely be a tiny package for how powerful it is. I also wouldn't rule out liquid cooling or the name Macintosh being resurrected. I expect the companion expansion chassis (which it would be practically crying out for) to be called Lisa.
 
Sounds decent apart from AMD CPU and 128GB RAM limit. Also no reason to not just go 100% TB3. Apple is not going to support any legacy ports on this. Would be surprised to see plain old USB plugs.

They still have USB-A on the new iMac and they will also be on the iMac Pro. So that's pretty much a guarantee we'll see them on the Mac Pro - my guess is 4 each USB-C/TB3 and USB-A or 4 USB-C/TB-3 and 6 USB-A.
 
One GPU for Display is enough, but Core-ML is natively enabled for as many GPU you can plug to the Mac, dGPU,iGPU, eGPU, that renders moot your argument against three GPUs, I buy this from DNG.

I could buy 3 PCIe slots that can have three GPUs. If there are no PCIe slots, I don't really see Apple doing that. Especially with eGPU.

As the glass case has been mentioned, that really makes no sense to me either.

Enough here sounds wrong that even if there are reasonable bits it casts doubt on the whole rumor. If we're having to take apart what sounds made up and what sounds real, why trust the whole thing at all?

Also: Keep in mind AMD's CPUs do not currently support Thunderbolt. Apple would be in a position to fix that, but it's one more thing to remember.

My guess is that the next Mac Pro will end up being an upgrade on top of the iMac Pro design. Apple has no reason to put the iMac Pro on Intel and the Mac Pro on AMD.

The name Macintosh died in 1998, it just is a very odd detail. It doesn't fit the rest of the line. It's calling back to nostalgia that not many people were part of. And critically: Usually those marketing decisions are made at the last minute, not now. So it's an odd detail to be included at all.

I could be totally wrong, and he's had accurate info in the past, but it doesn't pass the smell test to me.

I'm also not saying this means PCIe but: Apple clearly meant modular for customers. Not just modular for their assembly line. So that doesn't check out either.

Edit: I forgot to mention, on your CoreML comment... CoreML doesn't do training? I'm not sure classification happens on multiple GPUs, but even if it did, that's not a strong triple GPU use case.
 
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Also: Keep in mind AMD's CPUs do not currently support Thunderbolt.

Thunderbolt only requires 4 PCIe3 lines, so even ARM cpus could support TB3, TB its like USB its just a media not a chipset interface, even Gigabyte Includes now TB3 in its X399 AMD Threadripper MoBo, only it seems dont want to pay Intel royalties coz its disabled in bios (Intel declared TB3 Royalty free since jan 1'18). check it by your self http://techreport.com/news/32572/gigabyte-x399-designare-ex-adds-thunderbolt-to-threadripper

I personally give a very high probability score to a full AMD Mac Pro and Mini, even at least for the Mac Pro it will be marketed as Macintosh Pro.

I bet The McPro will be modular for Apple assembly lines having flexibility for 8-32 cores, single mid range GPU and triple compute GPU, but barely user upgradeable, also should come in a quiet liquid cooled shinny case, in what ever shape except cylindrical.
 
I don't buy it.

They know they screwed up (sort of, I think they were over-optimistic about what would be possible in the future) with the 6,1. They're not going to just....do the same thing again. That would be very silly.

I don't see them moving to AMD CPUs when the iMac Pro is using Intel. I don't see them going 1S when people have been clamoring for 2S. Given that, I sure as hell don't see the RAM limit being 128 gb. That would just be laughable and I'm sure they know that. I don't see them kneecapping 2 of the 6 TB ports on their flagship bleeding-edge workstation. I don't see how it could possibly be that size either.

I could be all wrong, I do like the idea of that sort of case, at least, I do like multi-GPUs and I think logic dictates the GPU lineup we see will be something like that. I like the 1.2 kW power supply, I like the liquid cooling. At the least, I think that "leak" should be modified by replacing AMD with Xeon, x2 or x4 the max RAM, and all TB ports being full speed. That's the bare minimum that would be acceptable, all else staying the same.

I really doubt they've been hard at work for years only to shoot themselves in the foot again.

There sure as hell is plenty of reason to have 3 GPUs in a system, it's not all about playing games and rendering the display...if they're AMD then I guess no CUDA but OpenCL and other applications for ML certainly want as much GPU power as they can get ahold of. Also, why are we saying what it "should" have based on things that we're doing right now? The Mac Pro is a machine you buy for future workloads, not just current workloads.
 
Another utterly unsupported set of "specs" that are transparently ridiculous - it's not even "rumor" quality. It's so annoying that I'm going to break my NDA a little:

Apple has two prototypes under design and evaluation now. I've only seen one.

The smaller one - the one I've seen - is almost finished. It is code-named "Monolith." It's a Space Gray aluminum slab mounted vertically on a polished black solid aluminum pedestal. It's beautiful (really gorgeous!), and it would look good on top of a desk or beside one.

It's opened like a clamshell, with the entire top and front coming off after pressing a single cleverly hidden button on the back. A clear polycarbonate shield partially covers much of the guts while opened. Under the shield is a cage containing containing two cards, mounted close, back to back, with heat sinks extending outward from the two cards. The system is air cooled by two fans from the bottom.

One card is a single CPU processor board. It is not intended to be user replaceable (that's the plan so far, it seems), but it looks easy to do. Indeed, it was mounted on rails, and had little grips at the top for pulling it out (think PDP-8 modules). I wasn't allowed to know what processor family will be used (not even Intel vs. AMD), but I do know it has 8 RAM slots, which are accessed through gaps in the polycarbonate shield.

A second, single, graphics board adheres to the PCI standard electrically, but uses a non-standard physical form-factor that matches the size and shape of the CPU card. It's also slid in on rails from the top and is definitely intended to be user-replaceable. Again, I wasn't told which company the GPU is from or whether both AMD and Nvidia would be supported. People were non-nonchalant about it and hence I assumed it would be AMD only, but given that it's fundamentally a PCI card, I could imagine possibilities.

Another set of rails allows user-insertion of four M.2 flash cards via small "sleds." One small thumb screw is used to hold the M.2 cards into the sleds, and the design looks really easy to use. I was told that all 4-drive RAID modalities are supported. All four were loaded in the test mule I saw, and wow, it was fast! Sorry, though, there is no provision for 2.5" or other form-factors - it's M.2 only. I couldn't tell if they were normal M.2 or Apple-proprietary.

At the back are the usual set of ports, looking about the same as what the iMac Pro has, but I didn't really pay much attention to them.

I was told the other prototype is larger, which I took to mean "dual processor and/or dual GPU's and/or multiple 2.5" drives." I was told it is more in flux at the moment, yet it will be finished before a final decision is made. The people showing this one were really proud, though, and eager to get it approved.

I liked it! Totally drool-worthy! Be nice and maybe I'll tell you about the monitor! :)
 
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Another utterly unsupported set of "specs" that are transparently ridiculous - it's not even "rumor" quality. It's so annoying that I'm going to break my NDA a little:

Apple has two prototypes under design and evaluation now. I've only seen one.

The smaller one - the one I've seen - is almost finished. It is code-named "Monolith." It's a Space Gray aluminum slab mounted vertically on a polished black solid aluminum pedestal. It's beautiful (really gorgeous!), and it would look good on top of a desk or beside one.

It's opened like a clamshell, with the entire top and front coming off after pressing a single cleverly hidden button on the back. A clear polycarbonate shield partially covers much of the guts while opened. Under the shield is a cage containing containing two cards, mounted close, back to back, with heat sinks extending outward from the two cards. The system is air cooled by two fans from the bottom.

One card is a single CPU processor board. It is not intended to be user replaceable (that's the plan so far, it seems), but it looks easy to do. Indeed, it was mounted on rails, and had little grips at the top for pulling it out (think PDP-8 modules). I wasn't allowed to know what processor family will be used (not even Intel vs. AMD), but I do know it has 8 RAM slots, which are accessed through gaps in the polycarbonate shield.

A second, single, graphics board adheres to the PCI standard electrically, but uses a non-standard physical form-factor that matches the size and shape of the CPU card. It's also slid in on rails from the top and is definitely intended to be user-replaceable. Again, I wasn't told which company the GPU is from or whether both AMD and Nvidia would be supported. People were non-nonchalant about it and hence I assumed it would be AMD only, but given that it's fundamentally a PCI card, I could imagine possibilities.

Another set of rails allows user-insertion of four M.2 flash cards via small "sleds." One small thumb screw is used to hold the M.2 cards into the sleds, and the design looks really easy to use. I was told that all 4-drive RAID modalities are supported. All four were loaded in the test mule I saw, and wow, it was fast! Sorry, though, there is no provision for 2.5" or other form-factors - it's M.2 only.I couldn't tell if they were normal M.2 or Apple-proprietary.

At the back are the usual set of ports, looking about the same as what the iMac Pro has, but I didn't really pay much attention to them.

I was told the other prototype is larger, which I took to mean "dual processor and/or dual GPU's and/or multiple 2.5" drives." I was told it is more in flux at the moment, yet it will be finished before a final decision is made. The people showing this one were really proud, though, and eager to get it approved.

I liked it! Totally drool-worthy! Be nice and maybe I'll tell you about the monitor! :)

Apple , please don’t make the same mistake again by giving similar specs as the previous ‘innovation’

Go for the bigger one.
 
It's opened like a clamshell, with the entire top and front coming off after pressing a single cleverly hidden button on the back. A clear polycarbonate shield partially covers much of the guts while opened.
Gotcha, an actual Leak Confirmed. I keep DNGs mentioned the clamshell and front open (like some old european car's hood), so his rumor has some basis or actual insider.

Recap: DNGs Mentions Apple choose on Multiple GPU and Mezzanine form factor (or mezzanine-like no STD PCIe slots as tcMP) and ALL AMD.

More from DNG leak (the big mac): two boards, main holds GPUs and CPUs on same side, and RAM SSD on the user accessible side, likely 8 modules (I think), no specific description on where the fans are located, I assume should be very close to the GPUs radiators, the other board on the back holds all I/O connected thru ribbon-like cables to the main board, PSU at bottom, PSU has no fans. DNG names a Single Socket AMD CPU, no specific type but three GPUs requires more than 60+4 PCIe lines, SSDs to be exactly the same part used at the iMac/iMac pro, DNG stands two radiators on top, top on the front, the smaller one at the front cools the CPU, it can be factor configured from single to 3 gpu, (maybe -here is my personal speculation-) liquid cooling is only for RxVega64, baseline Vega56/64 maybe air cooled, also the main CPU maybe actualy being air cooled, it depends on what he saw, DNG stands the McPro looks inspired by the new iPhones made on Glass and aluminum frames.
 
A second, single, graphics board adheres to the PCI standard electrically, but uses a non-standard physical form-factor that matches the size and shape of the CPU card. It's also slid in on rails from the top and is definitely intended to be user-replaceable.
Gag. A standard PC's PCIe video card design would be much preferred. Apple needs to consider that the HP Z8 series workstation would much better fit the hardware design preferences of many of those waiting on a new "Mac Pro" machine. And: it's likely easily Hackintoshible, as well.
Or: simply license HP to offer a Z8 workstation with macOS factory installed (and a Mac friendly UEFI bios to go with it), and forget any kind of proprietary video card solution, as well as "old european car's hood" tomfoolery.
 
Another set of rails allows user-insertion of four M.2 flash cards via small "sleds." One small thumb screw is used to hold the M.2 cards into the sleds, and the design looks really easy to use. I was told that all 4-drive RAID modalities are supported. All four were loaded in the test mule I saw, and wow, it was fast! Sorry, though, there is no provision for 2.5" or other form-factors - it's M.2 only. I couldn't tell if they were normal M.2 or Apple-proprietary.

Along with the user-accessible memory slots, this is the best news, assuming they will use generic M.2 and not lock us into something proprietary.
Extortionate memory and storage upgrade prices are among my biggest gripes with Apple.
 
Apple has two prototypes under design and evaluation now. I've only seen one.

A MacProMini and a MacPro ... can't say I would mind those options, as long as the big one isn't another trashcan iteration.
 
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