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GeekBench is a synthetic benchmark so real-world results on software optimized for as many cores as it can get could show real difference between a 4-core (8700K), 8-core (W-2140B) and 10-core (W2150B).

6-core (8700K), 8-core (W-2140B) and 10-core (W2150B)

The 8700K is also two generations ahead of the Skylake W. The 6 core is also clocked substantially higher than these slow pokes. Its just comical that Apple is cramming these $1000-$2500 140W processors in there and then down clocking them so substantially due to their form factor. This iMac Pro is going to be a joke.
 
6-core (8700K), 8-core (W-2140B) and 10-core (W2150B)

The 8700K is also two generations ahead of the Skylake W. The 6 core is also clocked substantially higher than these slow pokes. Its just comical that Apple is cramming these $1000-$2500 140W processors in there and then down clocking them so substantially due to their form factor. This iMac Pro is going to be a joke.
What will they do with the new mac pro?? mid tower or full tower? bigger cube? Super mini? cpu + video cards (over an Tb3 pci-e x4 link in there own add on box?)
 
What will they do with the new mac pro?? mid tower or full tower? bigger cube? Super mini? cpu + video cards (over an Tb3 pci-e x4 link in there own add on box?)

I am guessing a kind of single socket mid tower with some sort of modular-ness for eGPUs and an optional interconnect to string a bunch of mid towers together. Starting at like $8K for a 12 core.
 
I doubt it'll happen, but I'm hoping that we get some kind of steer from Apple about what's coming so that when the iMac Pro launches in a couple of months users can take a view on which machine will best meet their needs and price point.

For me the iMac Pro screen size is too small so I'd rather keep using my large true 4K display with a new (headless) Mac Pro when it ships, however if the mMP is ridiculously expensive (even more so than the very expensive iMac Pro) then I may end up sacrificing my larger screen for what could be a reasonable compromise unit.

Despite Apple's vague attempts to keep us all "in the loop" about the Mac Pro, I fear that they'll keep completely silent now until the mMP is nearly ready, which could still be many many months away.
 
I can't see eGPU becoming a thing. It would be nice if Apple could make it work and have it perform like native hardware, which would spur the non-Apple market into making it a standard over time.
 
I am guessing a kind of single socket mid tower with some sort of modular-ness for eGPUs and an optional interconnect to string a bunch of mid towers together. Starting at like $8K for a 12 core.

I think people are taking the word "modular" way too far.

Apple meant it in a few ways:
- That they could put new models into production at the factory without having to redesign the whole machine (Modular for them)
- Users could bring their own display
- Possibly users could install their own upgrades

Basically when Apple says "modular", they mean something roughly like the cMP design. That's "modular" to them.

I've heard they're being pushed on PCIe slots from the outside but even that's kind of iffy. Even without PCIe slots Apple would probably still consider the machine modular.

Apple will put their own design spin on it, as always, whatever it ends up being, but I wouldn't get carried away that they're going to design some new paradigm for the workstation market. It'll be a nice looking Mac workstation, that if we're lucky, is put in a case that doesn't restrict power and heat dissipation.

They're got about a year to design the thing, maybe year and a half. That means no time for fancy interconnect multi-tower modular mumbo jumbo.

(I'd also guess a starting price between $3k-$4k.)
 
I think people are taking the word "modular" way too far.

Apple meant it in a few ways:
- That they could put new models into production at the factory without having to redesign the whole machine (Modular for them)
- Users could bring their own display
- Possibly users could install their own upgrades

Basically when Apple says "modular", they mean something roughly like the cMP design. That's "modular" to them.

I've heard they're being pushed on PCIe slots from the outside but even that's kind of iffy. Even without PCIe slots Apple would probably still consider the machine modular.

Apple will put their own design spin on it, as always, whatever it ends up being, but I wouldn't get carried away that they're going to design some new paradigm for the workstation market. It'll be a nice looking Mac workstation, that if we're lucky, is put in a case that doesn't restrict power and heat dissipation.

They're got about a year to design the thing, maybe year and a half. That means no time for fancy interconnect multi-tower modular mumbo jumbo.

(I'd also guess a starting price between $3k-$4k.)

This is about the most sensible (and most probable) summary of what's likely to be coming that I've read so far.
 
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- Possibly users could install their own upgrades

Basically when Apple says "modular", they mean something roughly like the cMP design. That's "modular" to them.

A talk radio guest recently commented on the trouble he had getting a 2013 tcMP serviced at an Apple store in Hawaii.
After 8 days of them doing nothing, they then made the owner remove the memory & SSD upgrades that he'd installed, and return the machine to factory condition before even beginning to work on troubleshooting it.
I think it actually ended up being: one of the video cards going bad.
 
A talk radio guest recently commented on the trouble he had getting a 2013 tcMP serviced at an Apple store in Hawaii.
After 8 days of them doing nothing, they then made the owner remove the memory & SSD upgrades that he'd installed, and return the machine to factory condition before even beginning to work on troubleshooting it.
I think it actually ended up being: one of the video cards going bad.
:D:D:D
 
I think people are taking the word "modular" way too far.

Apple meant it in a few ways:
- That they could put new models into production at the factory without having to redesign the whole machine (Modular for them)
- Users could bring their own display
- Possibly users could install their own upgrades

Basically when Apple says "modular", they mean something roughly like the cMP design. That's "modular" to them.

I've heard they're being pushed on PCIe slots from the outside but even that's kind of iffy. Even without PCIe slots Apple would probably still consider the machine modular.

Apple will put their own design spin on it, as always, whatever it ends up being, but I wouldn't get carried away that they're going to design some new paradigm for the workstation market. It'll be a nice looking Mac workstation, that if we're lucky, is put in a case that doesn't restrict power and heat dissipation.

They're got about a year to design the thing, maybe year and a half. That means no time for fancy interconnect multi-tower modular mumbo jumbo.

(I'd also guess a starting price between $3k-$4k.)
If that were it, we'd have it by now. Something is taking them this long to bake.
 
Do people realise how long it actually takes to tool up and setup a production line for something like this. Even a cMP copy would need to be started from scratch.

I would imagine all the tooling from that era has long since been scrapped.
 
Do people realise how long it actually takes to tool up and setup a production line for something like this. Even a cMP copy would need to be started from scratch.

I would imagine all the tooling from that era has long since been scrapped.

I remember reading that back in the Jobs days, people would regularly be sent to work on projects that would end up being nothing or scrapped. Somewhere in the Apple Vault there is probably a mostly finished Mac Pro that they could work from.
 
I remember reading that back in the Jobs days, people would regularly be sent to work on projects that would end up being nothing or scrapped. Somewhere in the Apple Vault there is probably a mostly finished Mac Pro that they could work from.

Prototypes are one thing. Establishing a brand new production line is a very different scenario. I work in engineering. Projects don't go from design to production in 5 minutes.
 
Prototypes are one thing. Establishing a brand new production line is a very different scenario. I work in engineering. Projects don't go from design to production in 5 minutes.

True that! And 5 months would be fast.

I think if Apple were to announce and ship a new Mac Pro at WWDC 2018, the design work would need to be done by the end of this year (at the latest) to allow for the production line to be designed, engineered, constructed, debugged, and begin production.
 
If that were it, we'd have it by now. Something is taking them this long to bake.

We'd have it by now? Dude they started six months ago. How long do you think it takes Apple to do a computer? It usually takes a few years.

The last Mac Pro design was at least a few years.

It took them about a year and a half alone to decide if the iPhone X was going to get a fingerprint reader.
 
I dont think people realise just how long projects take. When a new product comes out whether its a computer or a shoe, that has been in the design phase for a long long time, a lot of things go into development well in advance.

Things we think are brand new and state of the art today have been in development for years, there are things today that were probably being messed around with in research labs over 5 years ago.

Its like the new year model cars, which in reality were in development a few years before they were even in production.

There are things in the world being designed and developed today by various companies that won't see a release date this side of the 2020's.

As far as the new mac pro goes, Apple stating it is in development in 2017 and saying it will be for next year is not at all an outrageous timeline.
 
:( The sad thing is most of the actual Mac lineup has been stagnant way too long... what have they been doing. I don’t think it’s realistic stick to expect a turnaround in 6 months or even a year or so, but we’re looking at both the mini and the pro, just sitting stagnant-resting on their laurels so to say. Yet development on iPhone X has been 3+ years in the making- - -

My point really is as soon as project ‘theta’- generation x is sent off to the production line, why isn’t a team working on generation y (if not already)?

Seriously phones aren’t going to be king forever, and some argue have already plateaued.
 
Whatever their plans they need to start providing information to their customers. Gone are the days for the need for secrecy. It's approaching a complete four years since the 6,1 Mac Pro was released. With the plethora of new processors announced / released by Intel and AMD there's a lot of performance to be had.
 
Whatever their plans they need to start providing information to their customers. Gone are the days for the need for secrecy. It's approaching a complete four years since the 6,1 Mac Pro was released. With the plethora of new processors announced / released by Intel and AMD there's a lot of performance to be had.

Anyone else think we'll get more information on the Mac Pro when the iMac Pro is dropped? Only about 2 months away now, if its on schedule.
 
I dont think people realise just how long projects take. When a new product comes out whether its a computer or a shoe, that has been in the design phase for a long long time, a lot of things go into development well in advance.

True enough (and FWIW, I'm also in Engineering).

However, let's not forget that there has been a long history in the PC industry of being agile and quite fast-to-market for things like new CPUs. Similarly, Apple's history with the "Yikes!" PowerMac was a ~6 month development to shelf.

Things we think are brand new and state of the art today have been in development for years, there are things today that were probably being messed around with in research labs over 5 years ago.

True, but his also invokes the question of just how much 'real' innovation is needed here. For example, if the scope of the effort is defined as designing a new motherboard arpund a new CPU and slamming into a cheesegrater case, this is a much simpler & faster { development -and- transition-into-production } cycle than what the Trash Can required.

And overall, the envelope of the next-MP will immediately inform us by how much it diverges from being a brutally straightforward "Truck" for how much Apple chose to push out their own delivery schedule to the right by squandering on superfluous, non-core functions.

Its like the new year model cars, which in reality were in development a few years before they were even in production.

Sure, although it really depends on just how much of a design is changing and by how big of a change that is to one's production lines. Thus, upgrading from a 1TB to a 2TB HDD is s trivial "drop in" that takes but one week after the procurement dept has the new deliveries arriving to transition the line. In contrast, the tcMP threw out the old cheesegrater production line and had to schedule to fab & test out an entirely new manufacturing line.

KISS summary here is that you only take the schedule hit for those things you choose to include. A design which has additional in-house complexity will take longer (naturally), even if it isn't really a necessary (from customer viewpoint) design attribute (yeah, I'm looking at you ... again! Trashcan Mac)

There are things in the world being designed and developed today by various companies that won't see a release date this side of the 2020's.

Sure, but the question here is how much is "development" versus "applied development": the timelines for things like CPUs isn't Apple's but is Intel's; Apple is predominantly buying those components "off the shelf" with the only real schedule constraints being for production quantities at target price points - that doesn't obstruct Foundry samples to fab demonstrators, nor does a PC assembly line have to know what CPU is on the motherboard that gets dropped in; as such there's a lot of parallelism.

As far as the new mac pro goes, Apple stating it is in development in 2017 and saying it will be for next year is not at all an outrageous timeline.

True, it wouldn't be ... **if** it is true that Apple did nothing for 2014-2016 and didn't even kick off the effort until April 2017. However, for this provision, it is appropriate to be outraged that utterly nothing was getting done in 2016 (at the very least), which would have collapsed the timeline down into "overdue today". Overall, any delay that's more than (date that "Selected-CPU" became available in quantity) + (45 days) is an Apple management failure. Even if they went over the waterfalls again with a weird cylinder, etc.


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I dont think people realise just how long projects take. When a new product comes out whether its a computer or a shoe, that has been in the design phase for a long long time, a lot of things go into development well in advance.

Well when you consider that what they want is an HP Z-series with the "hp" logo replaced with an :apple: and Windows replaced with macOS, you can kind of understand why they think signing a deal with HP to make it and do just that should be something Apple could do in an afternoon. :p

Folks like us who understand Apple will do nothing of the sort also understand this will take a fair bit longer to bring to market. :D
 
After seeing a couple of companies go through product changes and watch as stuff related to previous products gets scrapped (sure these companies are tiny compared to Apple) I would imagine everything related to older Mac Pro's is long gone in Apples factories.

Absolutely nothing related to the trash can Mac Pro would be usable in the new Mac Pro.

I really believe that this is a start from scratch scenario. As for when they started development vs date of product delivery. It's a pointless argument. We have zero control of apples timeline. Whether they started 5 months ago or 5 years ago. Neither can positively determine the delivery date.

All we can argue about is when they should have started and when they should release it. Which is also pointless as we can't change the past we have no control. Dwelling on the past just poisons the present. All we can do is learn from the past and apply it to the now and the tomorrow.

It's pointless getting mad and upset about things beyond our own control.
 
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After seeing a couple of companies go through product changes and watch as stuff related to previous products gets scrapped (sure these companies are tiny compared to Apple) I would imagine everything related to older Mac Pro's is long gone in Apples factories.

Absolutely nothing related to the trash can Mac Pro would be usable in the new Mac Pro.

I really believe that this is a start from scratch scenario. As for when they started development vs date of product delivery. It's a pointless argument. We have zero control of apples timeline. Whether they started 5 months ago or 5 years ago. Neither can positively determine the delivery date.

All we can argue about is when they should have started and when they should release it. Which is also pointless as we can't change the past we have no control. Dwelling on the past just poisons the present. All we can do is learn from the past and apply it to the now and the tomorrow.

It's pointless getting mad and upset about things beyond our own control.

I'm not sure we should be too worked up about timing yet. They were obviously going to be waiting for Skylake Xeons by the time April 2017 came around. And Intel hasn't even got those shipping in much volume yet. For example, you can't buy an HP Z series with Xeon SP in it yet. Even if this was going to be a cheese grader, there is good reason to think Apple wouldn't have any details on it yet, much less would it be available, given their history.
 
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