MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[zephonic]

Have you ever opened up a Z-8 system? I think not.

That's not the point.

What's hilarious is the notion of Apple taken design cues from HP.

I'm sure Apple could do something way better than what HP does with the Z-series. The cMP is proof positive they know how to. But they're not gonna. I hope they'll prove me wrong, though.

 

[PeterJP]

Quite. I'm sure there's still a contingent of next-gen gamers out there that obsess over specs

Sure. There's also a few people who obsess about which needle goes onto which tone arm on their record player. But, despite the odd article about them every other year, it's a declining group. In that respect, Apple has a great nose for the trend: computers, and certainly laptops, are appliances (non-upgradable).

With respect to a MP 7,1: I would personally like it to be an updated cheese-grater type. Allow for owners to easily update storage, RAM, GPU, and CPU. Shrink the case if they must

I think "shrink the case" is definitely the way to go. If you see that you can now deploy an 18 core X299 system with 3xM.2 and 6xSATA in mini-ITX then I don't see any reason to build yet-another tower with dimensions measured in meters. It doesn't need to be as small as mini-ITX. There are plenty of no-compromise micro-ATX boards and cases available that have sufficient space inside for upgrades and to keep it easy to work. The trashcan may be too small, but the cheesegrater was a design from a bygone era.

 

[JesterJJZ]

the cheesegrater was a design from a bygone era.

And still considered by many as the pinnacle of tower design. There's a reason it lasted as long as it did. I still see them in every studio I walk into.

 

[Silencio]

The HP Z840 is a nice chassis from a user serviceability standpoint, but I can't say it's vastly superior to the cMP aside from supporting modern components. The slide-out tray for the CPU and RAM in the cMP is easier to deal with than removing the fan assemblies from the HP. The HP's drive sleds are so cheap and bendy, I'm always afraid I'll snap them in half when I remove them or re-insert them. Guess I'm spoiled by the aluminum brackets in the cMP. The PCIe power distribution in the Z840's is also kind of annoying. It took me some digging to realize the 6-pin cables deliver more power than the PCIe spec so you can connect a 6-pin to 8-pin adapter to drive your new GTX 1080's and 1080 Ti's. So I had to buy a whole bunch of those little adapters — and we all get on Apple's case about cable adapters!

The big question is, will the mMP match the internal accessibility of the cMP? Somehow, I doubt it. Hopes and dreams die hard, though.

 

[vailr]

The PCIe power distribution in the Z840's is also kind of annoying. It took me some digging to realize the 6-pin cables deliver more power than the PCIe spec so you can connect a 6-pin to 8-pin adapter to drive your new GTX 1080's and 1080 Ti's. So I had to buy a whole bunch of those little adapters — and we all get on Apple's case about cable adapters!

Some newer video cards include both 6-pin and 8-pin power connectors (side by side), so that either one will work.

 

[-hh]

...I think "shrink the case" is definitely the way to go. If you see that you can now deploy an 18 core X299 system with 3xM.2 and 6xSATA in mini-ITX then I don't see any reason to build yet-another tower with dimensions measured in meters. It doesn't need to be as small as mini-ITX. There are plenty of no-compromise micro-ATX boards and cases available that have sufficient space inside for upgrades and to keep it easy to work. The trashcan may be too small, but the cheesegrater was a design from a bygone era.

Two broad thoughts:

#1 ... is that the PC104-style 'stack' architecture might also be something in the cards for consideration.

#2 ... is that its been my observation that the general "wasted space" of tower designs has been as a volumetric placeholder for full-length PCI cards (and similarly, for 3.5" drives, etc). It is straightforward to 'shrink' a box by not making this allocation, but then how does the box then grow when a PCI card is to be added/etc?

 

[flowrider]

Some newer video cards include both 6-pin and 8-pin power connectors (side by side), so that either one will work.

Don't think so! If the card contains both 6 and 8 pin connectors, you need both hooked up for the card to be powered properly and work.

Lou

 

[pl1984]

Sure. There's also a few people who obsess about which needle goes onto which tone arm on their record player. But, despite the odd article about them every other year, it's a declining group. In that respect, Apple has a great nose for the trend: computers, and certainly laptops, are appliances (non-upgradable).

If Apple has no interest in this declining group then they should acknowledge as much and exit this particular market.
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That's not the point.

What's hilarious is the notion of Apple taken design cues from HP.

I'm sure Apple could do something way better than what HP does with the Z-series. The cMP is proof positive they know how to. But they're not gonna. I hope they'll prove me wrong, though.

I consider the cMP and the Z Series systems to be equal as far as design. Z Series has it over the cMP as for durability.
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The HP Z840 is a nice chassis from a user serviceability standpoint, but I can't say it's vastly superior to the cMP aside from supporting modern components. The slide-out tray for the CPU and RAM in the cMP is easier to deal with than removing the fan assemblies from the HP. The HP's drive sleds are so cheap and bendy, I'm always afraid I'll snap them in half when I remove them or re-insert them. Guess I'm spoiled by the aluminum brackets in the cMP. The PCIe power distribution in the Z840's is also kind of annoying. It took me some digging to realize the 6-pin cables deliver more power than the PCIe spec so you can connect a 6-pin to 8-pin adapter to drive your new GTX 1080's and 1080 Ti's. So I had to buy a whole bunch of those little adapters — and we all get on Apple's case about cable adapters!

The big question is, will the mMP match the internal accessibility of the cMP? Somehow, I doubt it. Hopes and dreams die hard, though.

Agree 100% with this in addition to installing or removing a HD from them. Cheap design in an otherwise quality package.

Regarding adapters, people get on Apple because you need a handful of adapters to make their mobile devices compatible with legacy things. This is necessitated for Apple's focus on thinness at all cost...even if it means adding bulk with a bunch of adapters. At least Apple can claim their product is thin while ignoring the added bulk of the adapters. That's the difference between needing a 6/8 pin to 6/8 pin adapter for a desktop.
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Don't think so! If the card contains both 6 and 8 pin connectors, you need both hooked up for the card to be powered properly and work.

Which card has both types and requires both to be connected?

 

[vailr]

Which card has both types and requires both to be connected?

This EVGA GTX 1070Ti card has both 6-pin and 8-pin, but only one needs to be connected:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487388

 

[William Payne]

Someone mentioned making the 7,1 small form factor. Yikes! Even mini itx was mentioned.

I'm still confused how people can say they want lots of internal expansion then follow that by saying they want a small form factor. Mini itx only has one PCIE slot. Even M-atx is lacking in slots.

There are people who think 4 in the cMP is not enough.

 

[pl1984]

This EVGA GTX 1070Ti card has both 6-pin and 8-pin, but only one needs to be connected:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487388

I was asking flowrider for an example of a card which had both and required both to be connected.

 

[vailr]

I was asking flowrider for an example of a card which had both and required both to be connected.

Well then: you should have asked your question this way:
"Which card has both types and also requires both to be connected?".

 

[pl1984]

Well then: you should have asked your question this way:
"Which card has both types and also requires both to be connected?".

There was noting wrong with the way I asked the question.

 

[Peace]

There was noting wrong with the way I asked the question.

Nothing at all. Some people don't understand english.

 

[flowrider]

This EVGA GTX 1070Ti card has both 6-pin and 8-pin, but only one needs to be connected:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487388

Nope, that card has 2 eight pin connectors and both both need to be connected. See specs here:

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6775-KR

And cables supplied with the card:



I know of no card with multiple power connectors where both don't need power. And, it's always been that way.

Look at the cards listed below in the link that have only 1 8 pin power connector.


Lou

 

[AidenShaw]

This EVGA GTX 1070Ti card has both 6-pin and 8-pin, but only one needs to be connected:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487388

The card has two 8-pin, and both must be connected.

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6775-KR

 

[flowrider]

^^^^And now you're a parrot?

Lou

 

[Peace]

Nope, that card has 2 eight pin connectors and both both need to be connected. See specs here:

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6775-KR

And cables supplied with the card:

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I know of no card with multiple power connectors where both don't need power. And, it's always been that way.

Look at the cards listed below in the link that have only 1 8 pin power connector.


Lou

That picture shows 6-pin connectors.

 

[pl1984]

Nope, that card has 2 eight pin connectors and both both need to be connected. See specs here:

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6775-KR

And cables supplied with the card:

View attachment 740218

I know of no card with multiple power connectors where both don't need power. And, it's always been that way.

Look at the cards listed below in the link that have only 1 8 pin power connector.

I admit I have little experience with high end graphics cards but what is the advantage of having dual power connectors on the card and then providing a splitter cable to connect them to a single power feed?

 

[flat five]

The big question is, will the mMP match the internal accessibility of the cMP? Somehow, I doubt it. Hopes and dreams die hard, though.

cMP and 6,1 were both very easy to get into and relatively easy to access parts..

if i were to guess, based on past evidence, i'd say mMP will also be easy to get into (like-- have a latch type mechanism and accessible screws/mounts.. no components soldered/glued into place)

as with 6,1.. RAM and SSD will likely be very easy to swap.. CPU(s) will be socketed but maybe somewhat buried.. GPU not sure but will likely be user swappable as well.

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(assuming mMP will be more of a single unit built with modular components inside.. if it's 'modular' like a lego set type of thing then i don't have any guesses about how accessible each module will be)

 

[ventricle]

As the first user in my business school with an Apple ][ back in I-don’t-know-when, I could run 100’s of simulations and easily prove whose figures were ********. I still run Macs: two 5,1s; two iMacs; a Mac mini and a Hackintosh, and **** Apple.

 

[flowrider]

That picture shows 6-pin connectors.

Why in god's name are we arguing over something so darn silly?????????

NO THEY ARE EIGHT PIN CONNECTORS




And if there two of them, the BOTH need to be powered. End of story!!!!!!!!!

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I admit I have little experience with high end graphics cards but what is the advantage of having dual power connectors on the card and then providing a splitter cable to connect them to a single power feed?

You have it backwards. It's two power feeds going to 1 connection on the card. The reason is that some power supplies and the cMPs MB have six pin connectors. Those cables are 2 six pin to 1 eight pin. They are meant for 2 six pin power feeds to power 1 eight pin connection on the card.

Notice that card comes with 2 sets cables.

Lou

 

[Peace]

Why in god's name are we arguing over something so darn silly?????????

NO THEY ARE EIGHT PIN CONNECTORS

View attachment 740291


And if there two of them, the BOTH need to be powered. End of story!!!!!!!!!

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You have it backwards. It's two power feeds going to 1 connection on the card. The reason is that some power supplies and the cMPs MB have six pin connectors. Those cables are 2 six pin to 1 eight pin. They are meant for 2 six pin power feeds to power 1 eight pin connection on the card.

Notice that card comes with 2 sets cables.

Lou

Well the picture shows 6-pin connectors on the end that is showing.

 

[William Payne]

Well the picture shows 6-pin connectors on the end that is showing.

Yip dual 6 pins supplying power to the single 8 pin at the other end that goes into the gpu.

 

[Mago]

Whatever the MP7,1 form factor is chosen, one thing its sure, it wont be easy open to DIY upgrades, it will be modular for apple's CTO assembly purposes, but I doubt Apple will turn back on its consistent policy about making everything proprietary, the iMac Pro witness this, while it seem it uses std DIMMs it aren't User accessible/upgrade able as on the iMac 5K.

I think Apple will still allowing Hackintosh either explicitly or implicitly for those requiring more flexibility.

PD, iMac Pro sales (pre-order) should begins next Tuesday according some sources, no word yet about deliveries, a thing its sure wont be available at brick and mortar stores for a while (maybe only for CTO pickup delivery).