and come with non standard storage. Like the imac pro? and still like 2 PCI-e storage cards in raid 0 mode linked to an pci-e x4 linked arm cpu card.But it will be "magically" modular... (+1000$)
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Here's my reasoning. In addition to what I already wrote:
Has Apple ever asked the audience what do you want, or made popular decision in the eyes of the old Apple users. No, but they still shovel their new products down to our throat. Not what we want, but what they think we want.
"With regards to the Mac Pro, we are in the process of what we call 'completely rethinking the Mac Pro.' We’re working on it. We have a team working hard on it right now, and we want to architect it so that we can keep it fresh with regular improvements, and we’re committed to making it our highest-end, high-throughput desktop system, designed for our demanding pro customers", says Schiller.
Notice the emphasis on "we". Not, you. Their way of being modular - or being user upgradeable - will work and happen only within their current closed garden philosophys' limits. That is their goal. Toying with RAM or SSD is going to be over. Can a user upgrade mMP him/herself by adding a module, or does the person have to take it to a service point - is to be seen.
Apple admitted that they've painted themselves to a thermal corner with tcMP, and want to make the next MP more modular - that was their mistake they admitted - but no. It is not going to be a regular tower, and if it is, that is a step back and a time-out for a Mac. And not "completely rethinking" anything. That is not where Apple is going. By removing the memory service door from their latest Pro computer (iMac) and soldiering RAM on Pro laptops is a strong evidence that they want to hide the tech part from the users. If you need to upgrade your machine, you take it to the store or service point. Or exchange the whole machine. Like in the car industry. You want a new engine, you buy a new car. I'm sure that was Apple's' idea with tcMP in the first place, but then Intel and AMD didn't release anything to upgrade the machine with. At least you were still able to upgrade your ram and ssd with tcMP. But T2 chip has a built in SSD controller on iMac Pro, and the drive is just plain NAND memory chip card. You can only update iMac Pro at Apple certified service point, and only with Apple certified SSD drive.
Yes, Apple is closing Mac with T1, T2 and the upcoming chips. Every external device will need to have a permission from the chip to be installed in the future. When the last Mac without Security enclaves becomes obsolete, so does Hackintoshes, and any device that is not Apple certified. But maybe then Apple already has managed to marry iToys and Macs to a new product category anyway. Making Macs without Security Enclave to obsolete will take years.
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Other than E5-x600-v3, and E5-x600-v4, and Hawaii, Bonaire, Polaris, and Vega, and....
Blame Apple for boxing themselves into a corner with proprietary designs - don't blame the vendors.
Well, Intel grew their TDP's' as well.... and didn't give much boost perf/watt. 2%-5% additional computational power is not that magical... what comes to Intel.
Polaris, maybe yes. But it seems, Apple were already jumping of the ship. Apple's' 125W + 125W + 125W corner didn't give them much room for update. Even Polaris didn't give them that much GPGPU power for their 110-125W envelope, what they'd have appreciated.
But thanks for reading anyway! Yes, Apple painted themselves to the corner, they put a bet on a wrong horse. =D I was not defending Apple, but trying to analyse them.
Still, it doesn't take away Apple's' goal what they want to be. A closed garden.
I'm not so much excited about this future.
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Apple loves placing asymmetric bets, and I think the latest one: the only real PC option for truly secure hardware, is an interesting one. Could be part of why they decided to reinvest heavily in the Mac, leveraging their highly bespoke security stuff to more corporate clients.
Is this the "stuff" where you get root access by hitting <return> instead of entering a password?
In other words: If your security is based on one vector of guarded access, you're rightfully screwed when the time comes.Is this the "stuff" where you get root access by hitting <return> instead of entering a password?
I've replied - but you need to enter the access code that you received in the text message to be able to read it.
Enter code
The sad thing is that social engineering is so damn old that people should know better, but they don't!
People still douse for water with divining rods in '1st world countries' or sell 'voodoo' to governments for bomb detection. It's not hard to extend the list of ignorance, often willful, into perpetuity.
But if we were to restrict our conversations to only the factual, empirical, and logically consistent, this thread would be 3 pages long. Maybe 4 tops
Good points .
It will remain to be seen if the iMac Pro will find a sizable market - I think there isn't any at this time .
I'm kind of the go-to computer guy for the people I know - disclaimer : I'm no expert by any standards, and my experiences are anecdotal at best - and over the years I've seen many fellow photographers and other designers move to iMacs or MBPs from their MPs, and I advised many to do so .
That's individual professionals or small business with moderate to highish needs re. performance, a fairly basic set-up and a budget that can be generous, but money saved will go straight into their pockets .
Where performance or workflow requirements go beyond an MBP or regular iMac , I just don't see a clientele for a an intergrated solution starting at 5k . There will be a bunch of buyers, no doubt, but I suspect mainly people who have money to burn and no use for whatever power the iMac Pro will actually turn out to have .
Production houses, big or small, won't even look at it; small design companies don't need it and will not pay the premium, I think .
I think the iMac Pro isn't doing as Apple expected, in about 2 weeks from launch is now available at most locations for in store purchase, either Apple fine-tuned its distribution/mfr chains to the extreme or is not selling as good and then there are sudden inventory... and even its BTO ship times are now 1-3 business days...
The good: Apple will understand that Pros don't buy sealed machines, and the iMac Pro will never be a substitute for the Mac Pro.
The good: Apple will understand that Pros don't buy sealed machines, and the iMac Pro will never be a substitute for the Mac Pro.
Two weeks including the holiday season is not the best time to benchmark a business machines sales. We'll have to wait couple of months. Better read tea leaves to get similar results now. This is not a consumer product that people line up at Apple Store.
And because Apple already promised upcoming mMP, it definitely keeps buyers at waiting for more information.
Yep. The iMac Pro was never going to sell in crazy volumes, and it's still a computer, not an insanely tiny piece of tech like EarPods. They're not running into manufacturing bottlenecks. And yeah, still people (like myself) waiting to see what the mMP looks like.
Reading tea leaves from Apple Store shipping estimates is one step removed from "anonymous sources say" nonsense.
If you get this computer, you'll see moderate to dramatic speed improvements depending on your workflow; whether or not that's worth the cash is always going to be a individual question. I'm sure a lot of those photographers plunk down waaaay more cash for their bodies and glass than I'd consider worthwhile given the price differential between "very good" and "excellent", but that's their personal calculus.
The fact that Apple seeded the review units to videographers and photographers I think speaks to the kind of pros they are targeting, but really any pro who needs horsepower and treats their computers along the lines of an appliance will probably be well-served by these. If you're going to use these sans upgrades for four to six years I'm sure you can find the price palatable unless you are a total hobbyist, or that crazy guy in the other forum who just wants the space grey color while he uses Facebook
I am betting that the RAM slot/door in the 27" iMac was omitted from the iMac Pro due to thermal dynamic considerations. Apple had to rearrange the internal layout around for a totally different architecture and TDP-considerations than the regular 27" iMac.
Ummm... I don't think you're right at all in your rant. Like, you're completely off.. way off.
"Hide the tech?"
WTF....
"Has Apple ever asked the audience what do you want, or made popular decision in the eyes of the old Apple users. No, but they still shovel their new products down to our throat. Not what we want, but what they think we want."
That's total BS right there!
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To give the illusion of "where did the computer go?"
Ever heard that line from an Apple exec at their events? Yep, nearly at every event, where they've launched a new iMac design.
That's Apple's' fantasy. To hide the core tech, and make magical devices. With tcMP it reached the Mac Pro. Next it will happen to Mac Mini. mMP is going to be also similar experience. "Where's the computer?" "Here." "Here?"
[doublepost=1514565391][/doublepost]And Apple loves All-In-Ones. iPod, iPhone, iPad, laptops, iMac, iMac Pro... it will be interesting to see, what is mMP or Mac mini going to be.
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Apple already understands that - it's why we're getting an expandable and upgradeable Mac Pro now when the original plan was to just scrap the line and make the iMac Pro the most powerful Mac model.
But the Mac Pro makes up the low single digits of Apple's desktop sales - in the low tens of thousands per month. Even if the iMac Pro doubles or triples that just from raw demand of folks who have been waiting for a more powerful Mac, that is still going to be at best around 50,000 units a month.
And I expect the new Mac Pro to probably sell even less - especially if the base config mirrors the iMac Pro and is $4500 or more.
This is correct. Where the RAM slots are on the iMac 5K is where the fan exhaust is on the iMac Pro.
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apple can sell pci-e cards with Security enclaves on them and then you can get that HP-Z and run mac on on it without being held back by looks and feel.
We need a new feature in this thread where the most incredible, unlikely, ridiculous theory is voted upon every week. Would be lots of fun.
The iMac Pro being available in stores is hardly evidence of it selling poorly - unless there is a severe, severe demand and some supply issue or another, every product they make is usually available at almost every store. And the new Mac Pro will likely be the same.
As for only selling it to devs through a special program - that gets my vote for “things that are less likely to happen than being attacked by a shark in my office building”
The iMac Pro being available in stores is hardly evidence of it selling poorly - unless there is a severe, severe demand and some supply issue or another, every product they make is usually available at almost every store. And the new Mac Pro will likely be the same.
As for only selling it to devs through a special program - that gets my vote for “things that are less likely to happen than being attacked by a shark in my office building”
*nods*
Even at launch when the iPhone X was back-ordered 4 weeks or more for online orders, they still shipped stock every day to Apple stores.
The ill, hated, and (certainly) doomed trash can Mac Pro 6,1 also launched by December 19 2013, and most people couldn't put it hands on it by 3 months...
I doubt it will Use Xeon-W, but if so, it should offer the same configurations as the iMac at about 1000-1200$ less.
Back then they had a supply problem with the can itself in the USA. This time its all China again.
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Yes, that was kind of a hyperbola to tell you guys that there wont be a regular tower either.
If Jony Ive designed a car it probably wouldn't have wheels, doors or windows - since that's what other cars have.
