Some schools did get to test them out and ones that did ended up buy out as much of the old stock as they could.
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I don't recall it being that dramatic, probably not prototype testers, but there definitely were actual schools/labs buying bulk of cMP after the tcMP formal announcement.
We seem to get this sentiment very often with modern Apple; people buying 2015 MBP due to ports, 2012 Mini due to socketed SO-DIMM, iPhone 6s due to headphone jack, ATV3 due to TOSLINK...
Time for some substatial leaks, the thread is stagnating around how bad the 6,1 is!
Apples secrecy is a bit over the top regarding MP as that market is v e r y mature and driven by other concerns (e.g. availability of software). I doubt Apple will come up with anything in that market segment that will ever shake up HP and Dell. If so be (more) open about the process.
Apples secrecy is a bit over the top regarding MP as that market is v e r y mature and driven by other concerns (e.g. availability of software). I doubt Apple will come up with anything in that market segment that will ever shake up HP and Dell. If so be (more) open about the process.
But do they have to shake the PC OEMs up? You're always going to have diehard, loyal Apple customers who would prefer a system by their glorious leader favorite brand, Apple, over a stinky PC brand. OSX might not be as polished as it once was, but I think most would prefer the stability it does offer when it's not a frantic mess, over Windows 10 that leaves a lot to be desired.
The workstation market is one with no ceiling, it is up to Apple to determine where they would like to position themselves at. With the tcMP, the clearly shortsighted the limits of its form factor, at least to the wider general professional segments. If pleasing the loyal crowd was all that's enough, then there is no need for a modular MP because the iMac Pro seems to be designed to fill that void.
Right now is an embarrassing time to put a bet on where they will go, their secrecy tendency is giving too little information, it is difficult to tell if they take Macs as seriously as most of us on this thread would like to. I still hold my breath for the next WWDC, not necessarily expecting a machine that I want to see, but pretty surely we will get comedy and drama.
Have you been living under a rock ?
The progressive types amongst us are now talking smack about the iMac Pro - trashcan bashing is so 2013-2017 ...
Did I mention I got a cMP 5.1 this week ?
I think they need to be reasonably competitive. There are many software titles only available on windows which the solution is either parallels, other virtualization, or boot camp, I run off a Mac and most of my workflow can be done in MacOS, I only have to dabble in windows for revit, at the moment. All my MacOS apps are available on windows or at least a significantly comparable alternative. I prefer MacOS because of the whole user experience, generally smooth, reasonable updates (software/patches etc). I don’t think they need to shake Dell, HP, BOXX and other workstation manufacturers, but they need to have a competitive solution.
I also believe at this point, for this product, secrecy isn’t paramount, for the rev. B maybe, but it’s reqsonable for the 7.1 to have some details a year after “announcing” it. What direction they’re headed, some tech spec info (I don’t expect them to tell us every facet of every configuration), and doubt too much info on pricing. In fact I think we’d be lucky to get a base price, and possibly a launch window (available late 2018-early 2019-surprise WWDC availability for ‘common’ configs).
Alright, just to take some heat off 6’1s.
What do you guys think of this new standard ? It is touted as an alternative to the slow development of the PCI-e standard.
http://genzconsortium.org/faq/gen-z-overview/
I found this quote interesting :
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What do you guys think of this new standard ? It is touted as an alternative to the slow development of the PCI-e standard.
http://genzconsortium.org/faq/gen-z-overview/
I found this quote interesting :
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- Gen-Z abstracts memory media from the memory controller to enable the industry to deploy a wide range of memory media without waiting for the industry to move in lock step. This enables new media types or multiple generations of a given media type to be transparently supported in any solution. It also enables customers to independently replace and upgrade components based on their needs— e.g., processors, memory modules, NVM modules, etc.‘
Gen-Z isn't really a pure alternative to PCI-e. PCI-e 4 and 5 are suppose to make the more general data transfer more suitable for more specialized work. There is overlap but it is just one of three high speed, low latency, "Open" interconnects that are in play. CCIX , Gen-Z , and OpenCAPI . Each of these has a different focus, but also overlap.
There is an overview from back in 2016 when OpenCAPI jumped in.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/14/opencapi_declaration_of_interconect_war/
OpenCAPI -- a derivative of IBM standard that they worked into the Power CPU roadmap. NVLink isn't the same but isn't completely different either. [ a processor to processor link. ]. Primarily inside the same system box processor to accelerator design. Package-to-Package.
Gen-Z -- memory backplane which abstracts away some aspects of memory physical. Shared memory clusters. To some extent as competitor to Infiniband as much as PCI-e.
CCIX -- cache coherency for CPU cores and other processors.
AMD is on all three in somewhat of a "bet on everything not Intel" strategy. Intel bought up Cray's supercomputer interconnect ( Aries ) which has echos in t he Omni-Path that has come with the latest Xeon SP processors. The bet on all of these are indicative though of why AMD has moved on from Crossfire.
All of this is generally pushing to having a flatter, spread out memory address space. ( not uniform but cache coherence.... all data consumers working off the "same page" . You get rid of duplication copying to get work done. )
Graphic from back in 2016...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10751/gen-z-consortium-formed-developing-a-new-memory-interconnect
or more recently
"... At the SuperComputing17 conference in November, Gen-Z had a multi-vendor demo of four servers sharing access to two pools of memory through a Gen-Z switch. This was implemented with heavy use of FPGAs, but with the Core Specification 1.0 release we will start seeing Gen-Z show up in ASICs. The focus for now is on datacenter use cases with products potentially hitting the market in 2019. ..."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12431/genz-interconnect-core-specification-10-published
Additionally, if look here some of the notion is offloading from PCI-e some of this non-volatile memory traffic.
https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/09/05/future-interconnects-gen-z-stitches-memory-fabric/
Think moving the Optane persistent storage or the SSD backing store of a GPU card (that AMD has implemented ) off to a separate bus.
Both Intel and Apple are absent from all of these. Apple isn't so much of a big deal since ARM is somewhat of a proxy for Apple in these respect. if ARM puts CCIX support into the general architecture of ARM designs then Apple as a ARM arch implementor will pick it up. Honestly, it would probably help if Apple spent some money on some sponsorships directly; it isn't like they are extremely cash poor.
If Apple is using Intel Xeon W as a core baseline for implementation this probably has little to do with an upcoming Mac Pro. Apple isn't likely building specialized computer cluster components.
There is some overlap in the internal bus that Apple is using in there ARM implementations but that has extremely little overlap with the Mac Pro ( Mac Pro probably gets a T2 like chip but bus is entirely encapsulated so no system wide impact. )
I don't think so, what I think is the leaks comes from untrusted sources so the leaks didn't make noise.
The self proclaimed leaks I give some chance (chance, not credit):
- Full AMD System (AMD Epyc CPU + Vega/Vega20 GPUs)
- Single/Dual Modular GPU CTO options (maybe only AMD, I still give a small chance for an nVidia powered Mac Pro)
- Non STD PCIe slots, sorry no DIY upgrades, all Upgrades will require Apple-sourced (or Apple-blessed) parts, like SSD, GPUs, notwhitstanding upgrade process will be quickly, dumb-proof.
- sub 1000W, quite compact system, bigger than the Trashcan but not resembling the cheese grater.
- iPhone-X look.
- revised Thunderbolt-3 capable to drive DP1.4 devices (8K) in USB-C alt mode.
- ARM co processor like the iMac Pro/MBP.
- base model cheaper that original trash-can (only 8cores, and single 28core GPU), loaded could top 20000$ (32 core, dual Vega20-1tb ssd on gpu board-, 8tb ssd, 51GB Ram)
Agreed.
The part which got my attention is that this (+ competing standards ) could , in theory, allow assembling of modular boxes that house components... one module could by just be the processor with IOs, another could be the standard DDR Rams, another could be the always on memory module, another could be the GPUs etc.. and connect with each other via these interfaces ?
So say then two years down the line, you just get a newer processor module and hook it into your system ?
If so, then Apple might be wanting to try this in the future, if not on the new Mac Pros ( after all this they might not be so keen to upset the Apple kart..heh !)
This is assuming the industry does move and agree upon a standard. Intel and Nvidia probably don’t want to join because they would rather push their own proprietary standards.
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The 2013 was pretty much the same too. I didn't hear anything solid until April. I don't think there were any public rumors up until announcement.
It's early. Apple could always surprise us, but if we're looking at December release at the earliest it's probably not even close to production, especially if they're waiting on next gen parts.
If they're announcing in June, they're just probably getting an idea of what they'll be announcing. Apple usually has more than one design in testing, and they'll decide which one to go with.
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This seems like a very Apple thing to do.
I don't think they told anyone about things like PCI-E slots. The design would have been secret, also because it probably wasn't thermally calibrated to the case.
Same thing console manufacturers do. Remember when Microsoft announced the Xbox 360 and they pretended the console was working, but really everything was running off a Power Mac G5 that was hidden under the table?
I've heard of Apple releases where literally the day of announcement the hardware teams haven't even seen it in the final case internally. So case design or thermal calibration can happen late in the process.
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I don't think Apple would have deployed them pre-announcement to a school. No way a student wouldn't have blabbed.
Even when they have people on stage to do demos that have been "tuned", that's usually only done with a weeks advance notice, and usually that person was locked up in a room in Cupertino.
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If reading this thread is to be living under a rock - then yesHave you been living under a rock ?
The progressive types amongst us are now talking smack about the iMac Pro - trashcan bashing is so 2013-2017 ...
Did I mention I got a cMP 5.1 this week ?
. The progressive people uses the exact same arguments for iMP as for 2013 MP - its like a broken record! Better discuss and dream about mMP; even reading about number of PCI lanes (sorry people, I think it is a dry subject) is more exiting that reading who can teach the trash can the most.
Yes, but you need to add: Announcement at WWDC 2018, pre-order December 2018.
That is all...
And Jessica Jones Hiding something black with her big butt...
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Unlikely, Apple needs it to be released soon, coz Apple is falling behind in VR/AR/AI, so related developer tools (inc. software( should be a high priority, and the nmMP will arrive soon coz this, not as Lord's grace as used before.
Cook now is being questioned on latest Apple failures where development oversight seems a really big issue.
look:
- iPhone X: Failure
- iMac Pro: almost a failure
- HomePod: biggest failure in 20yr (way delayed)
- iOS/macOS naive bugs: a bigh oversight failure.
- MacBook's butterfly keyboard: Jony Ive's biggest failure.
- Apple Watch: Neutral
- iPad Pro: a mild success considering the tablet hype passed and likely no tablet will survive past 2022..
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What are you smoking? The iPhone X was a success. The iMac Pro we have no details on, but you can't call it a failure without actual proof. Same with HomePod.
The Apple Watch is the best-selling smartwatch out there. It's not "neutral" considering it's driving the accessories segment, which alongside services are Apple's biggest areas of growth.
The butterfly keyboard is Ive's biggest design failure? Over the G4 cube, the hockey puck mouse, et al? Haha.
Finally, want to make a wager that the iPad is still going to be around 2022? Because I will take that bet.
In other words—virtually everything you stated is divorced from reality.
Long time ago I speculated that they might be aiming for a high speed fabric backbone with slots where you could insert the different components, like the old days. Anyway, not this time around yet but might be coming.
Just insert CPU riser cards, GPUs, whatever.
Upgradable until next fabric comes along. And as long as a steady flow of cards with the latest tech keeps coming.
But that's not now, yet.
Just insert CPU riser cards, GPUs, whatever.
Upgradable until next fabric comes along. And as long as a steady flow of cards with the latest tech keeps coming.
But that's not now, yet.
Cutting its production at Half... Ok...
Sure, but considering its the first iMac with an 25% discount after a month of sales, it give us some cues... (the ill hated tcMP never see a reteil discount in it first year, even delivery backlog was 3 months until une 2014)
Seems you dont read the News, the HomePod is not selling, period, but even its worst failure is coming a year later to an market solidly dominated by Alexa and where Google is faarrr behind, and Apple HomePod is faaaar behind everithing.
Both the G4 Cube and the Hockey puck never failed as often as the damm butterfly keyboard, not to talk about the ridicuous key travel, Ive traded look for ergonomics where he should never tried and nobody asked for.
Tablets in general are Ill Fated, the iPad is doing much better than the Watch, notwithstanding it will not survive beyond 2022.
Look at your eye, seems you have a stick inside...
The 25% discount at one retailer does not make a failed product. Neither do nonsensical consumer surveys indicate actual sales. Comparing HomePod to other smart speakers and voice assistants is a dumb benchmark to use, any more than the iPhone is "failing" because Apple is outsold by Android sets.
Again, your claim that the iPad will be dead by 2022 is ludicrous, and I'll enjoy bringing it up here in a few years time alongside your other ******** list of rumors and speculation you've peddled over the years. Hell, if we're all still here on MacRumors in that length of time, I'd make the following wager: if the iPad is discontinued in 2022, I'll quit the forum entirely, if you do the same.
(I imagine we'll be able to laugh at your "mMP is going to be AMD Zen-based!" predictions first, though.)
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I stand on these
It's not Christmas anymore.
Plus there is plenty of dispute as to whether Nikkei was pulling that number out of their ass.
That the iPhone's Average Sales Price rose $100 after the launch if the iPhone X instead of the $10 we saw after the launch of the iPhone 6, 6s and 7 is proof enough the iPhone X is anything but a failure.
Considering it was a single retailer and only offered on one model and only on in-store purchases is hardly a sign of general market failure. If they had offered $1000 off on all models and allowed online sales, that would have been the sign of a liquidation of stock. Instead, it was just a "loss leader" promotion to get people into the stores and I fully expect each customer was strongly plied with plenty of high-markup ancillaries like cables and service contracts to help counter that discount.
The HomePod is first and foremost a speaker, not a home automation assistant. Of course the media has wrapped themselves into pretzels trying to define it as a home automation assistant first, but that is because it is the only way they can call it a "failure". Of course, they do the same when they define an iPad as not being a tablet, because if they didn't, the iPad would be the best-selling tablet.
And when Apple does decide to make the HomePod a better home automation assistant, all they need to do is update the software. To make their products better speakers, Amazon and Goggle have to design all-new hardware so HomePod owners have a free upgrade path to a better HAA whereas Alexa and Google Home users will need to buy a new product to upgrade their sound.
And yet it now brings in more income than the entire Swiss watch industry.
I wouldn’t mind that if it means more timely release of products to the market. Would nice to insert the latest CPU module into your workstation without having to replace the motherboard.... and get dual/quad processor setups if you need more rendering speed... and remove them when not.
Infact there was some talk in this thread very early on about such an approach...( or some other one. Don’t recall )
The RED cameras are built in such a modular way.
You don’t even have to get the highest end build right at the start. Add as and when needed.
It might be tricky though. A camera is a simpler use case scenario than a workstation. But if any vendor can pull that off, it’s Apple because they control both the OS and the hardware.
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