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As late as the day before the roundtable, most of us were convinced that Apple was aware of the paradigm shift - if they didn't engineer this intentionally even. The FCPX transition was a clear example of where they were seemingly wanting to go, and in some ways they succeeded. The willingness to drift away from tradition workstation pros workflow, catering to the newer breed of "content providers" crowd. In that light, the current Mac line up actually serves its purpose pretty well. Otherwise who would have the balls to ship a laptop with 2 ****ing ports and still stick the "Pro" moniker to it.

But then the roundtable happened. We are back to zero one speculating if Apple was the hole or the pole. Had this not happened then an iMac Pro being top of the line would have made perfect sense. Therefore we should still have our fingers crossed, that they can't possibly be so stupid to throw a trash can on their toes. Again.
 
Now, now, no need for name calling ;) .

I like Macs and Apple products as much as anyone, and I love OSX, but that's not how I got into Macs .
This is of course just anecdotal, but my entire industry - advertising photography/film - used to run on Macs .
It never occurred to me to buy anything but a G3 back then - and no, that was not a competitive comp - cause Macs were just a given in my field .


Agreed. I've said this before but just to put it on the table again. I started out in the Graphic Design industry in 1992 (Quadra 800, system 6 going into System 7 days). At that time the whole of the industry was Mac. Pretty much impossible to work as a graphic designer without using Mac. The only PC's we saw were in the accounting/secretarial office areas. Fast forward to the last 4-5 years and I've been mostly working freelance in large design studios. Macs? 4-5 years ago mostly on the receptionists desk where they needed a bit of "sparkle" for the customers brought an iMac. In the studio? HP workstations predominated. Now, the Mac on the front desk is going, replaced by a Dell or Lenovo laptop. Not an Apple computer to be seen in the building apart from the phones.

If Apple wanted to take back a share of a market they once owned they need to do more than come up with a half hearted "pro" workstation. I'm towards the end of my career but don't expect to see Apple desktops anywhere in my line of work. That ship has sailed as Apple neglected the market that kept them afloat through many a crisis. Creatives move on.
 
Note that the opening in a 19" rack is 17.625" wide - so any feet or handles on a 17.5" chassis would need to be removeable.

The height included the feet/handles. So no they don't need to be removable. ( latest HP Z6 case is 17.5 inches so there isn't ton of need here to do a taller single package system. ) Apple is likely going to keep the "few or no viable seams/cracks/fastners" design constraint so removable feet/handles is probably low on their agenda.

The integrated feet/handles is something that physical rack adapters can latch onto to hold the mac while the adapter had the placements for the rack screw hole integrations. Would not need to make adapter fit the same screw/fastener design Apple had implemented.

Reality looking for here is a "happens to fit" rack environment far more so than dedicated work by Apple Industrial design to fit to rack environments directly (they aren't going to spend time on that). So if give space for 3rd parties to wrap a solution around then done. So narrower with some extra slack space for 3rd parties.
 
Agreed. I've said this before but just to put it on the table again. I started out in the Graphic Design industry in 1992 (Quadra 800, system 6 going into System 7 days). At that time the whole of the industry was Mac. Pretty much impossible to work as a graphic designer without using Mac. The only PC's we saw were in the accounting/secretarial office areas. Fast forward to the last 4-5 years and I've been mostly working freelance in large design studios. Macs? 4-5 years ago mostly on the receptionists desk where they needed a bit of "sparkle" for the customers brought an iMac. In the studio? HP workstations predominated. Now, the Mac on the front desk is going, replaced by a Dell or Lenovo laptop. Not an Apple computer to be seen in the building apart from the phones.

If Apple wanted to take back a share of a market they once owned they need to do more than come up with a half hearted "pro" workstation. I'm towards the end of my career but don't expect to see Apple desktops anywhere in my line of work. That ship has sailed as Apple neglected the market that kept them afloat through many a crisis. Creatives move on.


It's interesting that there a few different thoughts on what is a healthy strategy for Apple. Some feel Apple does best by chasing where it is strongest, into segments like iOS devices, and letting the other efforts dry up like some vestigial transition like the xserve. Others feel a healthier strategy is for Apple to pursue a more ubiquitous market presence, even if profit margins aren't as great in some areas, as the added presence has some (in)tangible benefit to Apple.

Not sure if even hindsight will get to to the bottom of this one.
 
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It's a bit concerning that there haven't been any leaks regarding the new MP. Contrast that with the stream of leaks around what Apple is considering for whatever the next iPhone will be, and the future of the new MP appears to be considerably less assured.
 
It's a bit concerning that there haven't been any leaks regarding the new MP. Contrast that with the stream of leaks around what Apple is considering for whatever the next iPhone will be, and the future of the new MP appears to be considerably less assured.

Many leaks are just marketing noise disguised as inside info.

Mac pros aren't sexy enough, i guess to warrant the media blitz of the iphones.

And of Apple wants to kill Mac pros, so be it. Just announce and then we can move on.
 
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Many leaks are just marketing noise disguised as inside info.

Mac pros aren't sexy enough, i guess to warrant the media blitz of the iphones.

And of Apple wants to kill Mac pros, so be it. Just announce and then we can move on.

Or announce what is coming isn’t what people want and will just be another trash can so we can all get our HP Z’s or Boxx’s
 
I keep hearing (from a few forums) that the Modular Mac Pro will only ship with 1 GPU. But I never hear anybody offer a source. Has this been mentioned in press release, a speech etc?
 
It's a bit concerning that there haven't been any leaks regarding the new MP. Contrast that with the stream of leaks around what Apple is considering for whatever the next iPhone will be, and the future of the new MP appears to be considerably less assured.

On the one hand, it is because the iPhone is vastly more important to both Apple and the general public than the Mac ever was or will be so that is where the effort is put to find information that can be presented as "breaking news" to generate page views.

On the other, most of these leaks come from the supply chain in China and when you are producing parts in the (scores of) millions, it's impossible to keep them under wraps. The MacBook Pro with Touch Bar chassis leaked months before Apple formally announced it that October and in the past we saw leaks of new cases for the iMac, MacBook Pro and Mac Mini.

Nobody knew what the 2013 Mac Pro would look like until it was shown at WWDC. The main reason for that was it had yet to enter production so it only existed in Apple's laboratories and marketing department so keeping it under wraps was easy. I expect this is the situation with the 2018 Mac Pro - it will be revealed at WWDC and then enter production in Q4 so it currently only exists inside Apple-Controlled environments where the security is tight enough to prevent leaks.

At best, we might learn something with macOS builds that incorporate hardware IDs for components that the 2018 Mac Pro will use.
 
On the one hand, it is because the iPhone is vastly more important to both Apple and the general public than the Mac ever was or will be so that is where the effort is put to find information that can be presented as "breaking news" to generate page views.

On the other, most of these leaks come from the supply chain in China and when you are producing parts in the (scores of) millions, it's impossible to keep them under wraps. The MacBook Pro with Touch Bar chassis leaked months before Apple formally announced it that October and in the past we saw leaks of new cases for the iMac, MacBook Pro and Mac Mini.

Nobody knew what the 2013 Mac Pro would look like until it was shown at WWDC. The main reason for that was it had yet to enter production so it only existed in Apple's laboratories and marketing department so keeping it under wraps was easy. I expect this is the situation with the 2018 Mac Pro - it will be revealed at WWDC and then enter production in Q4 so it currently only exists inside Apple-Controlled environments where the security is tight enough to prevent leaks.

At best, we might learn something with macOS builds that incorporate hardware IDs for components that the 2018 Mac Pro will use.
Wasn’t the 2013 Tim Cook/Trash Can also produced in the US? I thought the Chasis was extruded, and componants assembled in Texas. Which allowed Apple to have much more control over any information of the product.
 
Wasn’t the 2013 Tim Cook/Trash Can also produced in the US? I thought the Chasis was extruded, and componants assembled in Texas. Which allowed Apple to have much more control over any information of the product.

The wierd thing is that their own unprecedented announcement of a new Mac Pro came in, for something that isn’t so important according to some. And then to keep it all under wraps when a better thing would be to get feedback from a wide variety of target users early. I suppose testing of Mac pros might be underway, while a few units might even be revealed at WWDC. But 5 years between such systems (8 if you count those of us who stayed away from the cylinders) is humongously wasteful.

If it underwhelms, we might see it’s deathknell, with Apple giving up on that segment.

Well, whatever. Reveal ASAP and let us take a call..wait or jump ship.
 
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It's a bit concerning that there haven't been any leaks regarding the new MP. Contrast that with the stream of leaks around what Apple is considering for whatever the next iPhone will be, and the future of the new MP appears to be considerably less assured.

The supply chain logistics of the iPhone and any new Mac Pro are 2-3 orders of magnitude different. ( talking about ball park 70 million devices to make versus maybe 70 thousand. 70M versus 0.007M ). The number of suppliers , engineers, and factory workers involved is likewise 2-3 orders of magnitude smaller. A group of 100 can keep a secret better than a group of 100,000.

The number of parts that Apple buys from some of the iPhone components actually swings the host companies revenue and/or profit number substantially. The Mac Pro's sub 100K numbers isn't going to move the dial on any substantive manufacturer that is closely tracked. If Apple buys $1B (or more) worth of parts from a supplier that will be tracked.

The variety of parts is also different. There are cases for the new iPhone. If the shape of the iPhone changes there is are whole industries that have to re-jig their production. That is the bloat of the numbers of folks exposed to the info and all the more likely to get one who will blab. The more folks who know the lower the perceived risk in blabbing.

HomePod leaked how much in the 1-2 years before Apple started talking about it? Not much if at all.

The more off-the-shelf ( or straight forwardly modified ) parts Apple would use in a Mac Pro the even less supplier exposure it would have. M.2 , 2.5" , 3.5" drives could be destine for other Macs. Same wi-fi bluetooth chips being used in other Macs ... how is that any different? At this point the iMac Pro is using Xeon W ... again different how in supply chain? Incrementally higher isn't going to set off any major rumor alert.


The Mac Pro 2013 started to leak more around the NAB show in 2013. Not much but the number of folks shown prototypes and groundswell of "it is different" started. The 2012 model being banned in the EU at that point also played into Apple doing more NDA reveals than they normally do. They were behind schedule and off the rails a bit ( not really a new rodeo going on right now. )
 
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We’re now 10 months (give or take) from the “oops-we screwed up” press chit-chat. I don’t know k about you all but getting itchy I have a TB Display with a cable that is on its last leg, and debating on what to-do I repair it, but a used one, or but something that may or may not work with a new Mac Pro (without adapters?)... I don’t need anything retina or 4K for most of what I do and the TB Display has been great... without a known upgrade path I’m kinda screwed...
 
Wasn’t the 2013 Tim Cook/Trash Can also produced in the US? I thought the Chasis was extruded, and componants assembled in Texas. Which allowed Apple to have much more control over any information of the product.

That is true and while the factory would have been under construction prior to WWDC, it's possible that the facility was not staffed nor nothing was being built there until afterwards. Apple likely would have tested the machinery (like the extruder) earlier and in controlled conditions. I am guessing something similar is happening now.


The wierd thing is that their own unprecedented announcement of a new Mac Pro came in, for something that isn’t so important according to some. And then to keep it all under wraps when a better thing would be to get feedback from a wide variety of target users early.

Apple themselves noted they do consulting and feedback sessions with current and potential Mac Pro users and I fully expect they have been doing the same with this new model. All of it would be done under NDAs and I imagine that since these people make their living using Mac Pros, honoring that NDA and keeping quiet is something they feel is to their benefit.
 
The wierd thing is that their own unprecedented announcement of a new Mac Pro came in, for something that isn’t so important according to some. And then to keep it all under wraps when a better thing would be to get feedback from a wide variety of target users early.

In the Spring of 2013 Apple couldn't sell a new Mac Pro in the EU. They had also 'bet the farm' on Thunderbolt 2 which wasn't going to see light of day until the end of 2013 ( 2014 was the target for volume production). The move to "pre announce" was primarily because the product management was in such a disarray at that point that's primarily all they had; 'talk'.

The other major factor is that they were also pragmatically discontinuing the product "King is dead, long live the King". So similar to the 5-6 month "head's up" on the discontinuation of the XServe for a market segment with many folks with long procurement cycles/timelines, June 2013 was a much about the 'old' Mac Pro is dead as much as there was a new one. This aspect though they have largely already done. The "pow wow" meeting and then iMac Pro shipping pretty much shows that the current design's target has largely shifted to the iMac Pro.


I suppose testing of Mac pros might be underway, while a few units might even be revealed at WWDC. But 5 years between such systems (8 if you count those of us who stayed away from the cylinders) is humongously wasteful.

The iMac Pro is more a bit of a "revision 2.0" of many of the objectives of the 2013 Mac Pro. Still somewhat bad in that it is 4 years. Apple more than likely looks at it as a partial reset on the clock. So they won't be completely panicked on clock time.

Not so much wasteful as uncommunicative.



Well, whatever. Reveal ASAP and let us take a call..wait or jump ship.

If someone has waited 8 years then ASAP isn't really a viable metric. Most folks are working with 3-7 year lifecycles so they'd have made a decision by 8 years. Apple would do more damage if the stumbled into a target past extremely early 2019, but they have already dug hole. More than a decent chance Apple will target components revising later 2018 to make a move. At this point if were ready late 2017 or very early 2018 it is off cycle. ( that was one of the problems with the Mac Pro 2013; jumping onto the back end of a tick-tock cycle. It is probably too risk adverse and a dead ender with the cadence Intel was using at the time. )
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That is true and while the factory would have been under construction prior to WWDC, it's possible that the facility was not staffed nor nothing was being built there until afterwards. Apple likely would have tested the machinery (like the extruder) earlier and in controlled conditions. I am guessing something similar is happening now.

the Factory that the Mac Pro was built in already existed; no new building was built. The production line had largely new components on it, but that happens at just about any 3rd party factiliies that hasn't made Apple stuff before. ( none of the Macs are standard cookie-cutter boxes that generic PC vendors sell .)



Apple themselves noted they do consulting and feedback sessions with current and potential Mac Pro users and I fully expect they have been doing the same with this new model. All of it would be done under NDAs and I imagine that since these people make their living using Mac Pros, honoring that NDA and keeping quiet is something they feel is to their benefit.

Doubtful Apple is taking critiques on Industrial design appearance as feedback. What do you do or want to do ( i.e., function not form ) probably is what they are looking for.

I suspect Apple picks folks who they think are trustworthy. There are numerous current Mac Pro users who would throw them under the bus. The folks who complained about the 2008-2010 models (not big enough, not enough slots , etc. etc. ) who now hold them up just because "better than" then 2013... I doubt they are on the list for NDA.
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I keep hearing (from a few forums) that the Modular Mac Pro will only ship with 1 GPU. But I never hear anybody offer a source. Has this been mentioned in press release, a speech etc?

Largely driven by this April 2017 pow wow meeting...


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Craig Federighi:.... and that we thought we could well serve with a two GPU architecture… that that was the thermal limit we needed, or the thermal capacity we needed. But workloads didn’t materialize to fit that as broadly as we hoped.

Being able to put larger single GPUs required a different system architecture and more thermal capacity than that system was designed to accommodate. So it became fairly difficult to adjust. At the same time, so many of our customers were moving to iMac that we saw a path to address many, many more of those that were finding themselves limited by Mac Pro through a next generation iMac. And really put a lot of our energy behind that.
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https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

Now that covers why the iMac Pro ships with one GPU, but likely also covers why any new Mac Pro likely would have a single GPU as a standard configuration. It does not rule out that there would not be build to order (BTO) configurations that would have two GPUs. The "didn't materialize to fit that as broadly" is the limiting factor as a useful for "everybody in the targeted segment".

The iMac Pro still has some thermal limits versus normal mid-upper range GPUs. A "modular" Mac Pro could expand on the iMac Pro limitations to fit more out of the mainstream cases. Higher thermal single GPUs and double GPUs would seem likely to be on the table. Double is useful (not just universally broad ) so enabling that would be good. Single where 300-390W (spike peak ) could be thrown at a single GPU would be good too.

The Metal API hasn't opened any broader dual GPU usage than OpenCL did.


The other driver for the single default GPU is system integration with Thunderbolt. The Mac Pro 2013 (and iMac Pro) don't have any problems with that. A new Mac Pro with a Apple connector(s) mounted on long edge of GPU card (versus the MP 2013 design) could fit the bill. There could be a second empty slot that could be used to fill either a 3rd party GPU or Apple's (that didn't not have to integrate to TB while serving as the "Compute GPU". ). Apple could design their card to fit either, but the 3rd party ones only fit the open standard socket.


The single GPU only vibe seems more driven by folks trying to map the eGPU solutions that Apple demo'ed for the iMac Pro on the newer Mac Pro also.

"... Available on Macs since 1996, Cinema 4D is a 3D rendering program used for motion graphics, film, and medical visualization. We saw the software demonstrated on an iMac Pro with two external GPU enclosures but were not told which GPUs were housed in those enclosures. EGPUs are clearly a part of Apple's strategy for extremely high-end applications, though. ..."
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ilable-heres-how-people-are-already-using-it/


That doesn't make much sense. If the modular Mac Pro is saddled with the exact same constraints as the iMac Pro how would Apple differentiate them? 1-2 open slots would substantively differentiate them without "killing" the eGPU option in the Mac ecosystem. Pretty likely Folks who'd want 3-4 GPUs would still need to go down that path.
 
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The wierd thing is that their own unprecedented announcement of a new Mac Pro came in, for something that isn’t so important according to some. And then to keep it all under wraps when a better thing would be to get feedback from a wide variety of target users early. I suppose testing of Mac pros might be underway, while a few units might even be revealed at WWDC. But 5 years between such systems (8 if you count those of us who stayed away from the cylinders) is humongously wasteful.

If it underwhelms, we might see it’s deathknell, with Apple giving up on that segment.

Well, whatever. Reveal ASAP and let us take a call..wait or jump ship.

Assuming the machine is going to be unveiled by WWDC like the old Mac Pro (it'll be nice to call it the old Mac Pro, won't it?) people outside Apple are almost certainly going to be seeing it in the months leading up to it, the same way Pixar people got their hands on it to talk about the dual GPU speed. Just because it's not public or not under NDA doesn't mean people aren't going to be using early production samples.

I don't think the 6,1 was Apple being amazed that their secretive plan wasn't well-received. They just made a decision that didn't pay off for reasons outside of their control as well as their own missteps.
 
We’re now 10 months (give or take) from the “oops-we screwed up” press chit-chat. I don’t know k about you all but getting itchy I have a TB Display with a cable that is on its last leg, and debating on what to-do I repair it, but a used one, or but something that may or may not work with a new Mac Pro (without adapters?)... I don’t need anything retina or 4K for most of what I do and the TB Display has been great... without a known upgrade path I’m kinda screwed...

Apple's upgrade path as far as connectivity is pretty clear. If they do another Display Docking station it will likely be Thunderbolt 3 based.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/27/apple-4k-5k-lg-displays-new-macbook-pro/


The Ultrafine 4K being simply USB-C is probably more so a timing artifact ( Macbook temporarily stuck on USB Type-C only and the transition of whole Mac line up to TBv3 ). The baseline will be hiDPI , "Retina" displays. ( Apple isn't going to do a "super affordable" old style 27" screen ).

If waiting breathlessly on Apple then their Industrial design is quite likely going to just wrap some Apple design flavor around an iMac screen. So 4K and 5K like these LG models that Apple bailed on doing the wrapper for. Unless there is some major movement on standard iMac displays this year, more than likely the "return to displays" that Apple yammered about in the pow-wow is probably pretty close to simply being Apple putting one of their wrappers around what the Ultrafine is. [ Essentially finishing what they probably bailed out of. ]. if there are blacklight and/or 10-bit LUT color support updates going into the iMacs in 2018 probably marketed as HDR coverage, then these new 'monitor' models would pick those up also, but otherwise same stuff different wrapper is quite likely.

LG has done more displays after those two and none have been the "one and only one input" designs. that "one Type-C cable" design constraint was extremely likely Apple driven. So they have laid out their path.


There is little indication that this return to "professional display" would actually be a display only (or display focused) product. (e.g., multiple inputs, button controls on the display , matte finish , and/or etc.) it is more likely something is primarily focused on being a MBP display more so than a Mac Pro one.


You are extremely likely not going to get devices that are both TBv2 and TBv3. The TBv1 of your Thunderbolt display docking station isn't on any integrated upgrade path that Apple is likely on. The path from TB v1/2 to TBv3 is viable using the current adapters. There is probably no new "reveal" upcoming that is currently 'in the dark'.


Any high quality, 3rd party 27" screen would likely work (if not chaining the TB connection). Those would have a DisplayPort (or mini DisplayPort ) input and a simple DP type-C to mDP/DP cable would be all you need. If want to spin that as an adapter ( not sure how it is more an adapter than a mDP to DP cable. ) then cost isn't all that high.

If daisy chaining then old guard 27" screens are problematical. There are some LG models that support 2 TB connectors but they aren't in the 27" screen class. More of the wide and larger.
 
It's a bit concerning that there haven't been any leaks regarding the new MP. Contrast that with the stream of leaks around what Apple is considering for whatever the next iPhone will be, and the future of the new MP appears to be considerably less assured.
So what? I don't recall any leaks regarding the Mac Pro 6,1.
 
Apple themselves noted they do consulting and feedback sessions with current and potential Mac Pro users and I fully expect they have been doing the same with this new model. All of it would be done under NDAs and I imagine that since these people make their living using Mac Pros, honoring that NDA and keeping quiet is something they feel is to their benefit.

The 2013 trashcan too must have gotten such ‘feedbacks’. We know how that method worked out. Reg NDA, there is nothing in iMacs, macpros - Software or Hardware wise that doesn’t have an alternative in the ‘PC’ world. The only ones possibly with genuine worries about such things might be the Mac info site runners concerned about their next Apple invite.

In the Spring of 2013 Apple couldn't sell a new Mac Pro in the EU. They had also 'bet the farm' on Thunderbolt 2 which wasn't going to see light of day until the end of 2013 ( 2014 was the target for volume production). The move to "pre announce" was primarily because the product management was in such a disarray at that point that's primarily all they had; 'talk'.

Reg the EU thing, Apple could have made a few tweaks to the cMP form factor and meet the regulations. Other vendors met and continue to meet them just fine without completely redesigning the workstations. Besides it was announced just 6 months prior to the tcMP reveal, in other words the redesign was already done and in the pipeline going forward. Nothing to do with regulations at all.

The pre announcement likely came after the iMac pros, AKA tcMP 2.0 was also likely finished with its designs ( Some reports mentioned Tim cook’s response to an employee’s concern reg desktops around Jan 2017... His response was something along the lines of iMac is best selling desktop, very powerful, they have great plans for it, etc ) This was, to me, the first indication we would be seeing an iMac pro ( which always seemed inevitable once they shrunk the Mac pros. If they could cram all that hardware and lock down what was previously a somewhat open system, which in many cases is one of the main features of such systems, no reason they wouldn’t create a beefier system in the iMac formfactor, tick mark almost all of the Mac Pro features and sell it as the alternative to ‘boxy’ workstations)

I doubt the product management was in such disarray... I think it was some push back from some of the people they showcased the iMac pros to. Seems they weren’t happy with what they saw. And Apple did NOT have a roadmap for the Mac pros. They were hoping the iMac pros would suffice. Apparently it doesn’t ( remains to be seen how it does in the market )

My comment reg wasteful is that Apple itself killed many of the features that would make Mac pros an incredibly viable workstation solution. Heck even those of whom couldn’t or didn’t want to use macOS, could run it purely as a windows workstation, with almost every feature they would look for in PC systems ( the move to Intel and then add the option to run windows natively, annual refresh cycles - 2008, 2009, 2010 speaks a lot more about upgrade cycles than what Apple now would like us to believe )

And then to have virtually such a long period between refreshes, without any official indication whatsoever of how things are going to be going forward. 4 years is a long time. 8 years is even longer. And while waiting 8 years indicates to you that ASAP isn’t a viable metric, there is enough upward performance gradient in the later half of the 8 years to suggest that ASAP might be critical to some of us. I would have jumped ship last year but for that announcement.
 
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And then to have virtually such a long period between refreshes, without any official indication whatsoever of how things are going to be going forward. 4 years is a long time. 8 years is even longer. And while waiting 8 years indicates to you that ASAP isn’t a viable metric, there is enough upward performance gradient in the later half the 8 years to suggest that ASAP might be critical to some of us. I would have jumped ship last year but for that announcement.

Well said .

On the other hand, one could argue that this ASAP ship has sailed many a times in recent years .
And that modular MP announcement wasn't really one, especially if we take the iMac 'Pro' release into account .

Apple doesn't do roadmaps, but maybe that's another attitude they should lose to adjust to a changed market .
At this point in time, it's possible they don't even have an MP project going on that is more than an internal study .
Perhaps waiting for iMP sales figures to come in is the game played in middle management meetings for the time being .
 
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At this point in time, it's possible they don't even have an MP project going on that is more than an internal study. Perhaps waiting for iMP sales figures to come in is the game played in middle management meetings for the time being.

I fully expect the program is in real development, otherwise there would be no reason to say anything in April - they could have just dropped the iMac Pro and said "Here you go, pros". That they committed to a new Mac Pro before showing the iMac Pro means they would have started development around that time because by talking about it - more than once - they have set an expectation that it's coming.

If Apple has nothing to show at WWDC 2018 there will be even more blood in the water then there is now, considering many feel Apple could have had Quanta bang a new "box with slots" Mac Pro out in time for WWDC 2017 using a PC OEM reference design.
 
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The 2013 trashcan too must have gotten such ‘feedbacks’. We know how that method worked out.

As far as I've heard it didn't.

Not saying everything will work out, but 2013 Apple was super confident in the design. They probably showed it off to a few people but I never heard anything about focus groups.

If Apple thought all they needed was a bigger 2013 Mac Pro, they wouldn't have had focus groups.

It's still a wee bit too soon for a reveal, WWDC at the earliest. I think people underestimate how long it takes to work out the issues at play. If Apple isn't doing a rebrand of a Dell workstation (bleh) it'll be a bit.

If we are waiting for software issues around graphics to be addressed, I don't think it'll even ship until after 10.14.
 
On the other hand, one could argue that this ASAP ship has sailed many a times in recent years .
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And possibly during the nMp reveal. Because ships.
 
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As far as I've heard it didn't.

Not saying everything will work out, but 2013 Apple was super confident in the design. They probably showed it off to a few people but I never heard anything about focus groups.

If Apple thought all they needed was a bigger 2013 Mac Pro, they wouldn't have had focus groups.

It's still a wee bit too soon for a reveal, WWDC at the earliest. I think people underestimate how long it takes to work out the issues at play. If Apple isn't doing a rebrand of a Dell workstation (bleh) it'll be a bit.

If we are waiting for software issues around graphics to be addressed, I don't think it'll even ship until after 10.14.
I heard that they showed it off to a few people in a “blind” box, not showing form factor only the power with thunderbolt cables... impressed with power at the time-form factor not so much...
 
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