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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I'm seriously considering jumping on this used deal on a 6 core lowest stock config 2 year old mac pro 6,1 given the dissapointing thermal news of the 2018 macbook pro's which I had waited out for...
He's asking calculated to US currency roughly $1875 original retail at apple.com is $3000 but local retail is around $4200 so its a huge savings and sounds kinda like a no-brainer to me, though I would have wanted a laptop, if it is not up to the tasks i put at it (low latency high dsp and track count live real time audio and video), I guess I'll have to live with having a desktop and then combine it with the 2011 macbook pro I got now and later upgrade that to a mid 2015 or maybe the 2019 one..
Any thoughts ?
(ps sorry if it's not totally related, but didn't wanna start a new topic just for this)
He's asking calculated to US currency roughly $1875 original retail at apple.com is $3000 but local retail is around $4200 so its a huge savings and sounds kinda like a no-brainer to me, though I would have wanted a laptop, if it is not up to the tasks i put at it (low latency high dsp and track count live real time audio and video), I guess I'll have to live with having a desktop and then combine it with the 2011 macbook pro I got now and later upgrade that to a mid 2015 or maybe the 2019 one..
Any thoughts ?
(ps sorry if it's not totally related, but didn't wanna start a new topic just for this)
I'm pleased with mine and I see no reason you shouldn't pick it up if you feel the price is appropriate. What is the memory, SSD, and graphics configuration?
It's this model https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro/6-core-3.5ghz (d500, 16gb, 256gb) claims he bought it two years ago, has receipt, and doesnt use it much cause he travels to the states and back all the time ......I'm coming from the samsung evo 850 512gb but i can take it out of the macbook pro and put it in a usb 3 case, and then probably get by with the 256 internal and 512 external though I really would have liked more hdd space this one is local pickup which helps and not many used ones around so its kinda like waiting forever for a potentially good priced higher spec'ed one, or get this on and see if its good enoug...don't think i'll generally need more ram, and can always upgrade, and can upgrade the ssd, and the d500 should be good enough for my use so its more the fact that I have only owned a 2010 15" macbook pro and then this early 2011 15" I still have now with 16gb ram and ssd. Runs ok but way too loud and gets hot and gerenally not fast enough for my needs, so I have to cripple what I wanna do - hopefully that mac pro would eleviate that problem, and if need be I could supplement it with the 2011 macbook pro and have that run the video stream or something else less real-time critical... So ya guess I'm just looking for last days final thoughts before potentially splurging 1875 dollars on a desktop that I will probably be loving, but that I had initially planned to be a laptop not a desktop
Mine is the same configuration except I have D300's. I paid $1,800 for mine about a year ago. It's a peppy system and I'm happy with it (though it doesn't see much use). I can definitely tell the difference between it and my 5,1 Mac Pro. I think you'll be happy with it.
What applications will you be using with it?
What applications will you be using with it?
Mainly Ableton, OBS and FCPX...Why doesn't it see much use?
I'm hooking up a bunch of external stuff like monitors, thunderbolt 1080p live video stream input (maybe that'll have to run on the MBP), two ableton push usb controllers, 1 usb midi keyboard, usb keyboard and mouse, 3 usb midi controller pedals, a firewire soundcard (will be upgraded to a thunderbolt 2 sound card soon after to get as low round trip latency as possible, and there aren't any relevant thunderbolt 3 soundcards available yet anyway + whatever else I got going on and wanna hook up or have running parallel with the audio and video stream...basically it's running Ableton like you would run a big set in Mainstage og Logic with real time software monitoring and performing on multiple virtual instruments, running samples and many audio tracks all at once, and on top of that streaming online audio (and video if possible). I mean potentially I wanna do big mixes and 4K video editing etc. but I know this is not a 2017 iMac or iMac Pro, but I can’t really justify the screen (and price difference) when I got screens galore and iMac pro is over my budget by a long shot anyways lol
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1) The top config MBP being put into a freezer gives enough cooling efficiency for the i9-8950HK to operate close to advertised performance
2) the same chip being used in other products, particularly thick gaming laptops with huge fans, can do this under room temperature
This tells me the problem lies exclusively within Apple's chassis. Or that they should not have allowed an i9 option to exist since they didn't redesign or improve the chassis cooling efficiency.
On an engineering perspective this sounds familiar to us, the Trashcan suffered lack of updates due to similar reasons. But Apple at least had the "decency" to not bother updating the Trashcan at all whereas with this i9 MBP there is a different mentality. I don't know which is worse, doing nothing about your cornered design, or shoehorning components that don't belong.
2) the same chip being used in other products, particularly thick gaming laptops with huge fans, can do this under room temperature
This tells me the problem lies exclusively within Apple's chassis. Or that they should not have allowed an i9 option to exist since they didn't redesign or improve the chassis cooling efficiency.
On an engineering perspective this sounds familiar to us, the Trashcan suffered lack of updates due to similar reasons. But Apple at least had the "decency" to not bother updating the Trashcan at all whereas with this i9 MBP there is a different mentality. I don't know which is worse, doing nothing about your cornered design, or shoehorning components that don't belong.
I really don't have much use for it.
Sounds as if you're going to fully take advantage of the one you're considering buying. Let us know what you decide.
I completely agree... I'm coming from the Macbook Pro forums but at this point i'm at a "given up on the macbook pro's" stage, which might change in 19/20 but for now leaves me with a used mac pro, which at the end of the day might be an okay option, but it's still not a laptop...will probably live up better to the Pro moniker than the 2018 MBP's though. But, too old to get super bummed out, just means I need to invest elsewhere also like external hdd and faster external sound card and maybe outboard DSP through thunderbolt 2...Or live with the speed of what's currently available, but the headaches that come with it.....well let med just say my dream was to have a super powerfull laptop that could "do it all" and I thought the 2018 on paper had that potential, but I cant stand more fan noise, throttling and heat.
The only two concerns I have besides if it's fast enough, is the difference in power draw and thus montly extra bill compared to only running the 15"... and also if it really is quiet during operation, and really doesn't throttle or act up when pushing it.
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The form factors that typically carry high end 45W TDP processors....
Whoa, those goal posts just left the state.
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I think this has shown up in a few places (here's one), but the 2.6 i7 doesn't seem to maintain its base clock either, and from a multicore stand point, the 2.2 i7, 2.6 i7 and 2.8 i9 all perform pretty similarly.
There is an implicit assumption here. I wonder if you'd actually state it out loud.
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As late as 2016, 10nm was still supposed to arrive in 2017.... This wasn't "multi-year" roadmaps, these were 1 year, maybe 18 month roadmaps. And yes, Apple is paying this price. They are at fault too. But for some reason we're completely happy to ignore an utter failure for Intel to deliver 10nm within 2 years of a target date set just 3 years ago? They have left manufactures to scramble. No need to try to get cute about if I've ever "been involved in NDA presentations".
Not enough performance in a given power envelope. performance/energy = efficiency. This about efficiency. Don't out think yourself.
They had handled other 45W TDP processors just fine. They handle the 2.2 i7 apparently, but not even the 2.6 i7. Intel has put computer manufactures in a bind.
Thanks for sharing that link. Interesting to see real-world reports.
Personally, I'd like to see some reports on the 13" quads. That's the one I'm eyeing. It looks like it geekbenches very close to my cMP 6-core.
Some perfunctory googling doesn't turn up much about extreme throttling on the '16/'17 MBP's, but I did find this barefeats shootout between a 2017 13" MBP and a 2017 iPad Pro: http://barefeats.com/ipadpro2017.html
Interesting results, and this combined with the hot mess that is x86 has me thinking future Macs with Apple's own CPU's might be a good thing. My current laptop is a 2015 13" MBP 2.9GHz, and it can handle most (but not all) of my workloads. I can see Apple's own CPU's suffice in a year or two.
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If you want to edit videos, get the MacBook Pro with the Quick Sync technology. For the same amount of money, you will be saving A LOT OF time.
Maybe Apple should have at least maintained an entry level ttrMBP 15" based on a quad core and max 16GB LPDDR3, even throw a Vega based GPU instead (throttled down of course).
That would be something I'd consider buying.
No, the 2017 model wouldn't do thanks.
That would be something I'd consider buying.
No, the 2017 model wouldn't do thanks.
Based on where Apple is going, I know what I want it not to be. I don't want bottom bin chips that get under clocked. I don't want under clocked graphics cards. I don't want form over function decisions that make my head spin. Basically, this machine has to be going in the COMPLETE OPPOSITE direction of the entire company's offerings. I don't have the greatest of hopes that they will turn the ship around for the mac pro, but if they do, I'll be so happy.
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True Tone Retina Mac Book Pro. Duh.
Too Thin rMBP.
I guess that it's too much typing to use "MBP 2018" like Apple does.
Too much Throttling Retina MacBook Pro.
